Prove? As an argument against what? That they didn't have any master plan?One thing I have to say.
This script is from 2016 from what I understand.
With Rose being a main character and Luke being a force ghost in this script, doesn't that prove that they did have a basic story plotted out?
This is a series where an exposed ventilation shaft was the weak point of the greatest weapon in the galaxy and who’s greatest villian ranked alongside Shredder and Cobra Commander in terms of on screen presence and dialogue. I’m not sure what people were expecting.The bare bones of the story make sense here at least.
RoS? Palpatine survived being exploded, his fleet loses because starships can't go upwards without a beacon, Rey meets Lando solely because of a festival that occurs every 40 years or something, Rey can easily heal people with the Force. .
The only completely retarded thing is Kylo having killed Rey's parents. I bet JJ wish HE had though of that.
The movie was fine. It was classic Star Wars.
god forbid they give fans satisfying callbacks in the conclusion to a 9 film saga that spans 40+ years.
feel like Star Wars is too popular now. people who don't like large chunks of it, and call others idiots for liking it, are still there in the fandom. like if you don't like Chewie getting a medal, then don't go to a Star Wars movie. LOL. i see people saying "I want Star Wars without lightsabers or Jedi" and I'm like, uh, then watch Farscape or something.
Emperor is fine. he's a classic movie monster at this point. Kylo alone would not work. him dying evil makes Han Solo into the biggest idiot who wasted his own life trying to bring him back. the last Skywalker shouldn't die without doing anything good. Colin's script isn't nearly as cool as what we got. i like Emperor coming back for no reason In Media Res, it is Classic Star Wars. you just jump to Princess Leia trying to ditch some top secret intel as her ship gets boarded by Darth Vader. why didn't they set that up? the thrill is in jumping right in. starting with episode IV rather than I. for me, at least, this is true to the spirit. JJ had so much on his plate w this film, and the Emperor was right there, and Rian's film necessitated a Big Bad, so he only did what was natural, given the unreasonable deadlines he was working under.
where did the ships come from? magic. the force. why are they under ground? so he can lift them, and it is more impressive to visualize something rising BENEATH a crumbly surface than just ships rising vertically through clear air. the logic of all of this, none of it matters to me, cos visually it's pretty cool, like something out of an 80s fantasy movie. that's where ROS does best.
Colin's scrip has some of that in it. Tor Valum is pretty dark fantasy. Kylo Ren getting flamed by the Emperor's hologram, then having his face implanted with metal, is pretty cool. they should have shown Kylo Ren being trained by Snoke, and it's not the usual Sith whatever, he is doing this new dark magic stuff. but no, Snoke is nobody, and im an idiot for wanting that. cool that Colin was leaning towards that direction w his IX.
Not everything needs to be explained explicitly to you. It's like some of you can't follow a story unless you have Hideo Kojiima levels of overwrought exposition and dialogue to explicitly spell out every single unimportant nuance.
I feel like this is an almost exact conversation we had in the Mandalorian thread. Like always, you can use your own imagination if you want or wait for the extended universe to fill in the gaps. The movie's job is to tell a story in an entertaining way, not hit you over the head with every single detail.
The narrative that JJ caved to “alt right” trolls must be upheld no matter what so this doesn’t surprise me. They were endlessly trashing Trevorrow until the usefulness of celebrating his unmade draft became a way to “own the right” or whatever these lunatics fantasize aboutHonestly not understanding people saying what we got is definitively better than this leaked stuff.
The narrative that JJ caved to “alt right” trolls must be upheld no matter what so this doesn’t surprise me. They were endlessly trashing Trevorrow until the usefulness of celebrating his unmade draft became a way to “own the right” or whatever these lunatics fantasize about
Just funny to see so many upset their great fan fiction wasn’t met. It’s like the minute JJ subverted their expectations, that suddenly became a bad thing and not the work of a brilliant genius.