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DKehoe

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Some behind the scenes revelations.

Jeepers if true

I don’t buy it. Disney sabotaging their own major franchise so that they make Abrams look bad in case he ends up working on DC stuff? Doesn’t really line up for me.
 
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No “in case” about it, his DC deal is a done deal. And yes it is a rival brand to Marvel.

Feel like last year’s Spider-Man controversy was enough evidence that they are willing to be incredibly petty as long as it is in favor of making them more money.
 
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No “in case” about it, his DC deal is a done deal. And yes it is a rival brand to Marvel.

Feel like last year’s Spider-Man controversy was enough evidence that they are willing to be incredibly petty as long as it is in favor of making them more money.
I still just don’t see them intentionally sabotaging one of their biggest properties like that. Sometimes movies just suck and there’s not a complicated reason why.
 
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I don’t buy it. Disney sabotaging their own major franchise so that they make Abrams look bad in case he ends up working on DC stuff? Doesn’t really line up for me.
A lot of that can be chalked up to Disney just wanting a shorter movie. 3+ hours is a profit killer unless your marvel.
 
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I still just don’t see them intentionally sabotaging one of their biggest properties like that. Sometimes movies just suck and there’s not a complicated reason why.
A lot of it wasn't sabotage though, they get into them wanting to appease fans, how they wanted to cut Babu Frik because they were afraid he'd become a new Jar Jar. One of the biggest sabotage moments was to appease China, the main sabotage people believe was the leaks.
 

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A lot of that can be chalked up to Disney just wanting a shorter movie. 3+ hours is a profit killer unless your marvel.

A lot of it wasn't sabotage though, they get into them wanting to appease fans, how they wanted to cut Babu Frik because they were afraid he'd become a new Jar Jar. One of the biggest sabotage moments was to appease China, the main sabotage people believe was the leaks.
But the post says “Their goal is to make JJ look bad to potential investors/shareholders.” That makes it seem like they were trying to sabotage Abrams on purpose.

I can believe that Disney forced Abrams to include things that he didn’t want because Disney is trying to juggle so many things at once, like having toys to sell or appealing to the Chinese market. That makes sense and I can see that being frustrating for Abrams and getting in the way of the film he wants to make. I don’t believe they intentionally set out to make him look bad because he’s off to make films for WB.
 

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i don't think this kind of thing even needs to be "intentional", i mean they didn't intend on making a rushed unplanned trilogy it just happened that they only gave each filmmaker 2 years to do it. they had so little time that Rian had to finish his script before the first movie was even done. they sabotaged pretty much any director who was going to step into those shoes, JJ is the one who stepped up to take the paycheck/blame.

like any rumor IMO there probably a lot of truth here but it's not 100% and there is plenty editorializing as well.
 
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i don't think this kind of thing even needs to be "intentional", i mean they didn't intend on making a rushed unplanned trilogy it just happened that they only gave each filmmaker 2 years to do it. they had so little time that Rian had to finish his script before the first movie was even done. they sabotaged pretty much any director who was going to step into those shoes, JJ is the one who stepped up to take the paycheck/blame.

like any rumor IMO there probably a lot of truth here but it's not 100% and there is plenty editorializing as well.
I’ve mentioned this on other Star Wars threads here but a few years from now someone is going to put together a great book or article charting the production of this trilogy. Regardless of what people might think of the quality of the films it sounds like the big picture production process was a mess.
 

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I won't believe anything from a web site called Starwarsisdumb.
It's obvious what their agenda is.
o_O

"I have verified the source to my satisfaction. "
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK, I believes you Reddit!
 
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What's interesting about the box office numbers right now is that foreign and domestic are both at $400M. Look at any of the big movies and foreign seems to always be twice as high as domestic.

I genuinely don't care about how much it makes or am hoping it fails or anything, I just find it pretty damn interesting.
 

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So RoS had a rushed troubled production. Solo had to be filmed twice. Rogue One had extensive changes.

I'm not sure if this is showing how much Kathleen Kennedy is screwing up or how amazing she is to still put out mostly decent films despite all the problems.

Or more like how robust the Star Wars brand is that it can survive so many attempts to kill it :p

Was it EVER explained why they had to make a space horse assault on the transmitter at the end instead of just proton torpedo it to death? I wonder if they were going to reprogram it in an early draft rather than just blow it up but the image of a cavalry charge on a star destroyer was too good to pass up. Maybe JJ really wanted the three way battle RotJ had and this was his hamfisted solution.
 
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A LOT of classics were clusterfucks during production and even ill-received by critics and the general public. We’re not supposed to see the sausage being made.

History will shine just fine on TRoS once the dust settles and everyone goes back to rewatch the shit-tier prequels when they’re rereleased in 8K. It’s a fine movie with a coherent plot, likable characters, and a grungy smurf dude who might just be the best thing ever.
 

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Was it EVER explained why they had to make a space horse assault on the transmitter at the end instead of just proton torpedo it to death? I wonder if they were going to reprogram it in an early draft rather than just blow it up but the image of a cavalry charge on a star destroyer was too good to pass up. Maybe JJ really wanted the three way battle RotJ had and this was his hamfisted solution.
its a visual scene, an image for the trailers. that is how much of the ST is made IMO. this was something that would look cool in a trailer, or, if it looked dumb, then perhaps it would at least go viral, fulfilling it's role in promoting the movie. story wise yeah it is a callback to ROTJ, and the technology vs sticks and stones Ewok battle that closed the movie. this is an old, fundamental concept to SW, so I don't mind it, and for the stupidness of it all, at least it's something new, and kind of something u would see in an old space adventure comic book. iirc the Ewoks came about from an early idea for the prequels, the Wookie planet battle, wherein General Luke Skywalker trains Wookies to fly X-Wings or something. the idea of an empire vs guerrilla warfare (ie Vietnam) it's tied in to Lucas's earlier role as potential director of Apocalypse Now. Coppola, friend and business partner, and his film, had a big influence on SW. so i see this stuff as carrying on that tradition in a new, if silly, way. i like it.
Or more like how robust the Star Wars brand is that it can survive so many attempts to kill it :p
people may say "it's dead" or "killed" this is pure dramatics. some say it died with the PT but those movies made about as much as the modern ones, a fuck ton. some say it died with the SE, or with ROTJ. the fact are these are all hugely popular and successful films, regardless of subjective critical quality, regardless of the goodness or badness of certain films or the purity of the canon.

the franchise has never died in any practical sense and never will. if you are serious about canon or movies taking themselves seriously then you may discount certain films or other works but in general they are all loved by someone. IMO it's best to just not take it all so seriously and focus on celebrating the things you love.
 
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Some behind the scenes revelations.

Jeepers if true

Oof. What a sith show.

However one gripe....



IIRC Kamino is just outside the galaxy in another satellite cluster of the main galaxy. It wouldn't make sense to "light skip" there as I assumed they were doing it in a straight line or zig zagging.

*drools all over self in nerd*
 
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So Disney are officially bastards.


Movie DLC depending on format.

Extended edition in January in theatres

Even more extended directors cut on Blu Ray

And an even further extended edition on Disney Plus

Cunts.
 

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TIL Freddie Prinze Jr. is one of the Jedi speaking to Rey at the end.

right now so glad i didn't see this piece of shit in theaters. fucking Fred Jones from Scooby Doo is now one of the most important Jedi in SW canon. forever sandwiched in the pantheon of Great Jedi, between Qui Gon Jin, Obi Wan Kenobi, and Yoda, is this smug dispshit.
 
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So Disney are officially bastards.


Movie DLC depending on format.

Extended edition in January in theatres

Even more extended directors cut on Blu Ray

And an even further extended edition on Disney Plus

Cunts.
More versions planned than Bladerunner.
 
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So Disney are officially bastards.


Movie DLC depending on format.

Extended edition in January in theatres

Even more extended directors cut on Blu Ray

And an even further extended edition on Disney Plus

Cunts.
I wouldn't say there is anything official about it yet. I'll take more notice when Deadline, Variety or Collider report something.
:)
 

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currently at $919 million
Disney’s “Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker” easily stayed put atop box office charts for the third consecutive weekend, collecting another $34.5 million for a domestic tally of $450 million. J.J. Abrams’ final chapter in the sequel trilogy is rapidly approaching the coveted billion-dollar milestone as the tentpole surpassed $919 million after 19 days in theaters. However, the latest “Star Wars” installment continues to pace behind its predecessors, 2015’s “The Force Awakens” ($2 billion) and 2017’s “The Last Jedi” ($1.33 billion).

how many weeks do they do this for? if there is 1 more week i'd say they might fall short but not sure how long it will be counting...
 
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how many weeks do they do this for? if there is 1 more week i'd say they might fall short but not sure how long it will be counting...
I think it will eke out $1bn, but probably won't eclipse Rogue One at this rate. Still a chance it falls short too. But if the rumors about a late January 'extended cut' hitting theaters turn out to be true, that could guarantee crossing the threshold.
 

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If it's true that Disney took it all away from JJ months before release and hacked together their own broken version, and the only chance at saving it is by releasing his cut after all, it really shows you how poorly managed this franchise is.
 
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Anyone else thinks it's doing better than expected considering it was a perfect storm of pissing people off with both TLJ haters and lovers primed to hate it/boycott it?
 
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I think it will eke out $1bn, but probably won't eclipse Rogue One at this rate. Still a chance it falls short too. But if the rumors about a late January 'extended cut' hitting theaters turn out to be true, that could guarantee crossing the threshold.
If you compare the domestic (day to day) and international numbers (weekend to weeknd) there isn't a huge difference in the numbers.
Domestically RoS is about 50 million behind TLJ but internationally the numbers per country are pretty close. Some countries have higher numbers, some have lower. I'd guess about 1.2 billion.
 

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So Disney are officially bastards.


Movie DLC depending on format.

Extended edition in January in theatres

Even more extended directors cut on Blu Ray

And an even further extended edition on Disney Plus

Cunts.
I'm a jerk but I'll pay for Ben Lives DLC.

It ain't happenin'. =(
 
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So RoS had a rushed troubled production. Solo had to be filmed twice. Rogue One had extensive changes.

I'm not sure if this is showing how much Kathleen Kennedy is screwing up or how amazing she is to still put out mostly decent films despite all the problems.

Or more like how robust the Star Wars brand is that it can survive so many attempts to kill it :p

Was it EVER explained why they had to make a space horse assault on the transmitter at the end instead of just proton torpedo it to death? I wonder if they were going to reprogram it in an early draft rather than just blow it up but the image of a cavalry charge on a star destroyer was too good to pass up. Maybe JJ really wanted the three way battle RotJ had and this was his hamfisted solution.
Just trying to copy Avatar. The whole movie was just tropes and things we have seen in other or past SW movies. This was the Avatar moment. The last act went off the rails and was trying to outdo every blockbuster that came before it.
 

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Anyone else thinks it's doing better than expected considering it was a perfect storm of pissing people off with both TLJ haters and lovers primed to hate it/boycott it?
I think its an even split. I made the will TROS bomb thread and I think their was a contingent of people who thought it would do worse than TLJ and or struggle to beat 1 billion, to those who thought it would make money and be at or above TLJ.

My bar was always TLJ and its lagging behind. If they do have DLC for it then it might make up some ground work, but at this point its gotta be hovering around a disapointment.
 

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TLJ did major damage. it's the reason i haven't gone to see this or Solo in theater.

if they do release a "JJ Cut" special edition, it would surprise me. that sounds too mercenary even for them.

what would supremely rule is if they did go out of their way to do that but by then anyone who cares has already seen it, so sales completely bottom out, they have to pull the movie, and we finally discover the bottom floor of people who will see anything with SW in the name.
 
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So RoS had a rushed troubled production. Solo had to be filmed twice. Rogue One had extensive changes.

I'm not sure if this is showing how much Kathleen Kennedy is screwing up or how amazing she is to still put out mostly decent films despite all the problems.

Or more like how robust the Star Wars brand is that it can survive so many attempts to kill it :p

Was it EVER explained why they had to make a space horse assault on the transmitter at the end instead of just proton torpedo it to death? I wonder if they were going to reprogram it in an early draft rather than just blow it up but the image of a cavalry charge on a star destroyer was too good to pass up. Maybe JJ really wanted the three way battle RotJ had and this was his hamfisted solution.
Mostly decent? 🤔
 

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It’s taking longer than I expected it to reach 1billion.
It's pretty much underperformed at every turn has a real chance at falling behind Rogue One. It will make it but yeah it's going to take much longer than it should have. Funny how following a divisive middle chapter with two turds isn't a recipe for success.
Anyone else thinks it's doing better than expected considering it was a perfect storm of pissing people off with both TLJ haters and lovers primed to hate it/boycott it?
The movie has come in under expectations at every turn and is going to make less than the last film despite being the final film in the trilogy and the "end of the Skywalker saga"

Its also having worse legs than tlj which didnt have great legs to begin with.

It also had a higher budget and opened in more theatres than tlj did and has less competition to boot.

It's doing about as poorly as it could without being a Justice League type disaster.
 

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It also had a higher budget and opened in more theatres than tlj did and has less competition to boot.
TLJ actually has a higher budget listed $200-$317 million vs. ROS's $250-300 mil, if you can believe that.

LOL where did that money go? must have cost a ton to airlift that seacow to Ireland.
 

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Word is season 2 of Mando will explain Palp in IX. SYNERGY!

Also good news, Rian’s next movie isn’t Star Wars, his trilogy doesn’t seem like a priority at all.
Ah, so they're going to start really relying on Favreu to clean up the mess JJ and RJ made of the franchise. Makes sense.
 

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Since shortly after release weekend, I’ve been corresponding with someone who worked closely on the production of TROS and works for one of the major companies I cannot disclose here. I have verified the source to my satisfaction. To protect the source, I am rewording what we spoke about over the last two weeks and am submitting it to you in bullet point format I have written based on what they told me. The TLDR is that they were upset with the final product of TROS and wanted to share their perspective on how it went down and where it went wrong.

  • The leakers for TROS had an agenda and are tied to Disney directly. My source confessed that they have an agenda as well in that they struggle with ignoring what’s been happening to someone who they think doesn’t deserve it.
  • JJ always treated everyone on and offset with respect so my source’s agenda is that what Disney has done to JJ and how much they screwed him over should be something people are at least aware of, whether you like him as a filmmaker or not.
  • Disney was one of the studios who were in that Bad Robot bidding war last year. Disney never had much interest in BR as a company but they did in JJ because they saw WB (who JJ went with in the end) as a major threat.
  • JJ is very successful at bringing franchises back like Mission Impossible, Star Trek and Star Wars. WB is struggling with DC and aside from Wonder Woman, DC is still seen as a bit of a joke in its current state by the GA.
  • WB wants Abrams for some DC projects. My source said that this generation’s Star Wars is the MCU, and Marvel’s biggest threat is a well operational DC. They want to keep DC in the limbo that they’re in right now. Abrams jumpstarting that franchise with something like a successful, audience-pleasing Superman movie makes them nervous. Their goal is to make JJ look bad to potential investors/shareholders.
  • My source mentioned this shortly after the premiere: “The TROS we saw last night was not the TROS we thought we worked on”.
  • JJ was devastated and blindsided by this. He’s been feeling down over the last 6 months because of some of the ridiculous demands Disney had that changed his movie’s story. While the scenes were shot, a lot of the changes were made in post-production and the audio was rerecorded and altered. My source said they’ve never seen anything like this happen before. He’s the director and he wasn’t in the know about what they were doing behind his back.
  • Apparently, JJ felt threatened over the month leading up to the premiere.
  • Rian was never meant to do IX despite some rumors that he was.
  • JJ was brought back by Iger, not KK. Disney insisted on more fan service, less controversy.
  • JJs original agreement when he signed on was indicating he would have way more creative control than he did on TFA. It became evident this wasn’t the case only a couple of weeks into shooting when the trouble with meddling started.
  • JJ wanted to do some scenes he thought were important but Disney shut it down citing budgetary reasons.
  • May 2019: JJ argued that those scenes were crucial. He had to let go of one of the scenes. The other scene he insisted on was approved at first. He did reshoots and additional photography in July. The new scene was shot at BR in October.
  • The “ending that will blow your mind” was a part of this. Older actors were included like Hayden, Ewan and Samuel and anyone who wasn’t animated. The force ghosts weren’t meant to be voices because they shot that footage on camera. The actors were in costumes. Rey was supposed to be surrounded by the force ghosts to serve as sort of a barrier between her and the Sith surrounding them.
  • My source thinks but can’t 100% confirm that this is because of China. It’s an office talk of sorts. Some VFX people claimed they got a list of approved shades of blue they could use on the Luke force ghosts. Cutting this out was when the bad blood turned into a nightmare for JJ because the movie he was making was suddenly unrecognizable to him in almost every way.
  • My source knows JJ well enough to know that he’s just not the yelling type but apparently in a meeting he yelled something along the lines of “Why don’t you just put ‘directed and written by Lucasfilm’ then?” My source wasn’t present for that exchange but knows some who were.
  • Disney demanded they shoot some scenes that would have things in it for merchandise. “They fly now” is one of them. It’s also JJ’s least favorite scene. At a November screening of a 2:37 cut, he cringed, groaned and laughed when the scene was on.
  • My source says that JJ was most likely not joking when he said “you’re right” in the interview where they asked him about TROS criticism.
  • JJ’s original early November cut was 3 hours 2 minutes long.
  • In January, JJ suggested that they turn this into two films. My source told me this well before Terrio mentioned it in an interview a couple of days ago. When Disney said no, JJ was content with making this 3 hours long.
  • Over a period of 9 months JJ started realizing that one by one his ideas and whole scenes were being thrown out the window or entirely altered by people who have “no business meddling with the creatives”.
  • They were not on the same page when it came to creative decisions and it became obvious that Disney had an agenda in addition to wanting to please shareholders. Disney could “afford messing up IX for the sake of the bigger picture” when it came to protecting things unrelated to IX.
  • The cut JJ eventually and hesitantly agreed to in early December was 2:37 minutes long. It wasn’t the cut we saw which he wouldn’t have approved of (and which is 2:22 long). Apart from the force ghosts, there were other crucial and emotional scenes missing. The cut they released looked “chopped and taped back together with weak scotch tape” (JJ's words).
  • The movie opened with Rey’s training. Her first scene with Rose was shortly after Rey damaged BB-8 during the training. Rose made a silly joke about how Poe is going to kill her for damaging BB-8. There was a moment where Rey took a minute to process what just happened when she saw that vision during training. She looked distressed and worried. The next scene was noise as the Falcon was landing and Rey runs over there. Those two women who kissed at the end were visible in this shot and they were holding hands. One of them ran towards the Falcon as it landed.
  • Kylo on Mustafar scene was 2 mins longer. There was a moment where Kylo seemed a bit dizzy and his vision was shown as blurry for a second. Almost as if time half-stopped while everyone in the background was slow-mo fighting. Kylo hears Vader's breathing, then shakes his head and time goes back to moving at a normal pace and he jumps right back into the battle (the scene from the trailer where he knocks that guy down which did end up in the movie later).
  • They cut some of the scenes from the lightspeed skipping segment. Some of the planets that were cut were Kashyyyk, Naboo, and Kamino.
  • The scene where the tie fighters are chasing them through the iceberg - those corridors were inspired by a video game JJ used to play in the 90s called Rebel Assault 2 (the third level in the game with the tunnels on Endor specifically).
  • Jannah was confirmed to be Lando’s daughter.
  • Rey not only healed Kylo's face scar but she killed Kylo when she healed Ben. Kylo ceased to exist when Rey healed him. My source mentioned that some people assume it was Han Solo who healed him but that isn’t true and that wasn't Han Solo. That was Leia using her own memories as well as Ben's to create a physical manifestation of his own thoughts to nudge him towards what he needed to do. That was her own way of communicating that with him. And it wasn't possible without her dying in the process. She made the ultimate sacrifice for her son and this flew over people's heads with the Disney cut.
  • The late November cut (the last cut JJ approved of) had scenes with Rose and Rey still. JJ wanted to give her a more meaningful arc. Disney felt that that was too risky too. My source mentioned that Chris Terrio said that it was because of the Leia scenes but this is only partially true because she had four other scenes including two with Rey/Daisy that Leia was not in.
  • Finn wanting to tell Rey something was always meant to be force sensitivity. In the 3 hour cut, it’s explicitly stated. There was a moment when Jannah and he were running on top of that star destroyer and Finn needed to unlock or move something and he force-moved it and acted surprised when it happened. This was replaced with a CGI’d BB-8 fixing whatever he needed to fix on there.
  • Babu Frik was nearly cut because some execs at Disney thought he would be the new Jar Jar. They are really surprised that people love him this much. He was JJ's idea and was created in collaboration with some artists and puppeteers. The personality was all JJ.
  • There were a bunch of scenes where Rey and Kylo (separately) went through quiet moments of reflection to deal with what they were going through. On her part, her going through the realization that there's something sinister about her past. Him going through regret and remorse but trying to shut it out. My source said that the Kylo scenes were especially amazing because of Adam's performance and how he managed to portray that inner turmoil. It provided much more context and added deeper meaning to both his battle with Rey and the final redemption arc at the end. It didn't happen so suddenly and it was more structured than what we got.
  • The Kylo/Rey scene where he dies was at least 4 minutes longer with more dialogue. Ben was always supposed to die. Source also added that if he wasn’t, then that might’ve been in an earlier draft which they haven’t read. The first draft they read included Lando (the first few didn’t). The Reylo kiss and Ben’s death was not part of the reshoots. It was a part of the re-editing. Even the cut that JJ thought was coming out earlier this month had a longer version of that scene than what was shown in the theatrical cut.
  • JJ was against the Reylo kiss (or Reylo in general). This was Disney's attempt to please both sides of the fandom.
  • JJ was not happy with where TLJ took the story. The final result is a mix of that story and the story told by Disney and whoever they tried to impress (“certainly not the fans”). JJ is gutted over the final result. Star Wars means a lot to him. He had to sacrifice large chunks of the story in TFA but he was promised more creative control on TROS and instead the leash they had him on was only tightened as time went by. A source said that this is the one franchise and the one piece of his work that he didn't want to mess up and instead it turned into his worst nightmare. When he found out that he was blindsided with the cut they presented, he said "what the fuck??" when Kylo was fighting the Knights of Ren at the end and the Williams music that was used for it was not what he wanted at all. He seemed to think it was out of place.
  • JJ's cut still exists and “will always exist”. We most likely will never see it unless “someone accidentally leaks it.”
Ok, so there you have it. If there are questions, I will try to follow up with my source but it’s up to them if they want to share more so I cannot guarantee an answer.

Edit: I forgot one thing that the source wanted included, concerning FinnPoe in TROS:

  • The source asked about FinnPoe after seeing Oscar Isaac's comment about how Disney didn't want it to be a thing. This is true. JJ fought to make this happen. This is why Oscar is blaming Disney. It's not just a random throwaway comment. He knows for a fact that it was Disney because these discussions happened. The main cast is insanely close with JJ and are just as pissed, though seemingly more outspoken about it than JJ. During TFA, Disney was hesitant to hire John Boyega because a woman was front and center so they deemed that risky enough so bringing in a male lead who's black made them nervous. JJ fought to make that happen for about nine months before getting approval. The same issue came up when JJ fought to have Finn&Poe in TROS but he lost that battle as he lost many creative battles for this film. Many people, JJ included, came to the realization during this production that the story really is told by shareholders/investors instead of the creatives or anyone at Disney specifically. He tried to make a lot of things happen and was shut down because of this. They had him on a leash and many blame TLJ for the stricter creative approach.

FinnPoe.....
 
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So Disney are officially bastards.


Movie DLC depending on format.

Extended edition in January in theatres

Even more extended directors cut on Blu Ray

And an even further extended edition on Disney Plus

Cunts.
I'm ok with a longer version eventually making its way. In 2020, first world problems involve being able to day one a movie with everything you want it to be. Looking past the oppression, I'll survive just fine. In fact, Disney Plus for $59 for a year has saved me money vs what I would spend at the theater.
 

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So Disney are officially bastards.


Movie DLC depending on format.

Extended edition in January in theatres

Even more extended directors cut on Blu Ray

And an even further extended edition on Disney Plus

Cunts.
I'm ok with a longer version eventually making its way. In 2020, first world problems involve being able to day one a movie with everything you want it to be. Looking past the oppression, I'll survive just fine. In fact, Disney Plus for $59 for a year has saved me money vs what I would spend at the theater.

I don't get the hate for long movies either. We can love Mandalorian which is longer, and has more filler. We are so woke to film length though because that one was divided up for us.
 

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narly 10 years in and they are still 2 billion in the red. Imagine investing is something that takes 2 decades before it starts turning a profit.
That video is straight up trash speculation though. Who knows how much disney is making from all the licensing? I see star wars on all sorts of nonsense. Straws! Shampoo! Cookies! Not to mention the hoards of toys. I have little doubt they are in the black on some book somewhere. Naturally the films are gonna be deep in the red on box office, disney sinks all sorts of expenses into them to inflate that budget. KK would have been LONG GONE had she not been meeting or exceeding profit goals.