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Stephen Elop to become new lead of MS' devices division, including Xbox.
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herp derp
Yeah I do love that graph. The point that is lost there though is that Nokia had to drop Symbian at one point. There was no chance it could have never been made a viable platform against Windows Phone, Android and iOS. Then there was MeeGo which more or less had the same chances. When they moved from one platform to another it meant a huge restructure. Naturally that caused the migration rate falling behind as shown in the graph. There was no way that development could have been avoided; Elop or not.
Biggest mistake Nokia made was clinging to Symbian and MeeGo too long.
TheDrowningMan
Member
That's one way to ensure Microsoft's ludicrously priced box is even less likely to break through to the mass-market.
I disagree, anyway. They'll continue to make devices, but they will not, ultimately, be aimed at the average consumer.
herp derp
Investors, too, thought Nokia had their shit together before Elop got on board...........
No they didn't. Not even close to that.
You might want to look at the Online Services division. That's Microsoft's biggest loser.
I agree.
MS will push for a more varied (cheap to coslty) hardware ecosystem, which they will leverage to bring enough consummers in so that they can keep some stuff exclusive to their plateforms.
when there is a good enough number of MS phones/tablets with a wide price range available MS will retire smartglas from android/iOS.
but they need Xbox to stay relevant first, while they build on their smartphones/tablets strategy.
MS is deep into change. that makes some investors hope to spin off the devices section relatable. it's a huge undertaking.
I think this acquisitition shows MS is willing to go broad and for the long haul. this is how they tell investors they have a vision. that can work.
And killing "Nokia" as a consummer oriented company is their sacrifice to keep investors happy. People who seek something Nokiaesque (aka price quality) will now have refer to MS.
First Lumia to come out from this needs to be special. neither ne essarily cheap nor high end, but special.
Canis lupus
Member
herp derp
So this guy succeeded in destroying and help Microsoft acquire Nokia in just 3 years.
I was being sarcastic, sorry.
It's starting to get hard to tell who is sarcastic in this thread anymore.
the power of design to have you associate it with a brand
and perhaps a little indictment of the lack of design innovation on android devices.
That's the rumor I heard.
Aparantly is MS operating procedure to send employees to other companies that may prove a strategic advantage to MS.
Just look at Peter Moore over at EA. Is Titanfall 1 year exclusive really in EA's interest?
lol.
you don't give a job to a shithead, you know to be a shithead.
neither do you spend 7.3B$ on a whim.
that may not work out. okay.
but don't believe this is happening because of a failure.
this is Nokia having lost its monopoly after iOS/Android boom
and MS having lost its monopoly after iOS/android boom
coming together to kick some ass; or at least staying relevant in the consummer space for a few more years.
that's exactly how empires were run. by declaring peace to another country. while providing friendly counsil in the form of an emissary. until the situation can be reassessed with better informations.
He's a pro.
Everyone sad Ballmer is the worst CEO!
Make up your mind, Im so confused!!!
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
Not really, but they didn't expect this;
If I was a Nokia shareholder I would be looking for legal advice regarding this acquisition.
He may have tanked Nokia's profits.
but he helped build a recognizable smartphone brand.
MS has paid good money. of course they want the better side of the coin.
but they've helped Nokia into building something relevant against competition.
without MS, what would Nokia have done against a 200$ (off-contract) Nexus product in the US/Europe???
or against the chinese hardware makers?
Daffy Duck
Member
Nokia, Kinecting people.
And pigs fly.
Ol No Bones
Banned
Nokia makes great stuff but people don't buy it including me.
What I get from those middle school level slides is that if Nokia just would have stayed the course with Symbian everything would have been okay and people would be waiting with bated breath for the new Belle devices.
so far, Lumia has existed already 3 years. to some success.
Moto X is a phase 1/ product, that doesn't do much compared to the Nexus line.
both purchases include a set of major mobile related patents.
The power of statistics.
diffusionx
Gold Member
I'm not sure why people think Elop has done a bad job. Nokia's core business was collapsing under them before he became CEO and seemed ready to take it all the way down. It's not all that different from RIM, actually.
Elop has done what he could to transition a company and make the tough decisions CEOs are supposed to make. This sale delivers something to shareholders and puts its employees under a stale umbrella. He's no Steve Jobs but he is far from a Apotheker-style disaster.
It was just 3 years ago, but people seem to think that Nokia was someone doing great when Elop took over.
That's simply not the case, their market value fell by 70% before Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo was fired and Elop was brought in. It was seen as a desperation move because they were in such dire straits.
Elop was able to keep Nokia treading water when it was well on it's way to sinking, not bad I suppose.
You mean that Motorola (vs Microsoft) patent lawsuit debacle ($3 bilion per year >>> $1.8 million per year)
or
Nokia vs Apple lawsuit settled (The financial structure of the agreement consists of a one-time payment payable by Apple and on-going royalties to be paid by Apple to Nokia for the term of the agreement. The specific terms of the contract are confidential)
"We are very pleased to have Apple join the growing number of Nokia licensees," said Stephen Elop
now, tell who have real patents?
RumblePuff
Member
MS paid Nokia a lot of cash to go down the Windows Phone route, I'm guessing they thought it would be more successful than it has been. I still think they would have been better off in the long term sticking to Meego and bringing out some Android phones and Windows phones. At least they would have had more options for surviving on their own.
$1 Billion to use Windows Phone
$1 Billion to use Windows Phone
Yeah, that really worked out for HTC
herp derp
That graph would've looked even more horrible if they stayed on Symbian or Meego
Elop can sweet talk his way through any conversation.
Just watch this:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vvT5jaHoQ5E
Next E3 gonna be interesting.
Just watch this:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vvT5jaHoQ5E
Next E3 gonna be interesting.
yeah, he destroyed Nokia share value so MS can take it over.. you are correct.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
ThisWreckage
Banned
This guy ran Nokia into the ground. What a shitty choice.
Not really, but they didn't expect this;
If I was a Nokia shareholder I would be looking for legal advice regarding this acquisition.
These charts read like the crackberry forums.
Interfectum
Member
Anyone who even remotely cares about the Xbox brand should be crying over this news. Awful choice... good lord.
Wyndstryker
Member
I first read his name as Flop.
After reading this thread....I think it should be.
After reading this thread....I think it should be.
Sloane_Ranger
Member
No matter what his past is or is not - the man has a upward battle ... so many parts of that ship seem to be leaking or not welded together correctly. I do wish him the best, strong competition makes for better consoles.
I cried after reading your post.
Chiaroscuro
Member
I think Nokia was in a really bad position way before Elop and MS partnership. They failed at making Symbian relevant. What were their options? Android? No, they have a lot of investment on their applications, like Maps, which will have to be substituted by Google products. And Maps continues to be a partnership with now Microsoft devices. Microsoft and Windows Phone were the only reasonable alternative, even if that was a really poor one.
Now the mobile OS world is becoming very hardware centric: iOS/Apple, WP/Microsoft, Android/Motorola. I wonder how Samsung, HTC and others are planning their future. Don't think that Motorolo being owned by Google is not a bad thing for 3rd party Android devices manufactures.
Now the mobile OS world is becoming very hardware centric: iOS/Apple, WP/Microsoft, Android/Motorola. I wonder how Samsung, HTC and others are planning their future. Don't think that Motorolo being owned by Google is not a bad thing for 3rd party Android devices manufactures.