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[Shadowhelper]

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/09/thi...-race-and-it-makes-for-uncomfortable-reading/

In every country in Europe, people are slower to associate blackness with positive words such as “good” or “nice” and faster to associate blackness with negative concepts such as “bad” or “evil”. But they are quicker to make the link between blackness and negative concepts in the Czech Republic or Lithuania than they are in Slovenia, the UK or Ireland.

In results that should surprise no one, the latest studies prove attitudes towards black people in America are far less racist than anywhere in Europe.

And also completely not surprising the lesser racist countries towards blacks in Europe are Britain, Sweden and Norway. There are also some other countries that rank well among attitudes towards blacks like Belgium, Austria and Slovenia.

When it comes to Europe the attitudes in Germany, France, Italy and Spain, are also terrible towards black people, and worse than more racially open countries like Britain or Sweden. But these attitudes are the worst in Eastern Europe.

Unfortunately, it seems as though the culture of most of Europe is to view black and colored people as inferior and second class. Its hard to deny, having even a little bit of experience, that racial attitudes in America and Britain are far superior to most of Europe.

Hopefully, these attitudes can improve everywhere. We still have a lot of work to do.

 

[MeatGrinder]

What really surprises me is eastern Europe. WTF?

 

[SKINNER!]

What really surprises me is eastern Europe. WTF?

Why does it surprise you?

 

[Pandora012]

I swear I've seen this somewhere.

 

[Haunted]

damn get your homogeneous shit together Eastern Europe

 

[Slayven]

Crazy cause 60 years ago black people use to emigrate to France to get away from racism

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Implicit association tests are awful, and even if they weren't, the samples for those tests are self-selecting.

http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2017/01/psychologys-racism-measuring-tool-isnt-up-to-the-job.html

This graph is meaningless; completely unfit to make international comparisons of the nature it wants.

 

[FStubbs]

No wonder Republicans love Russia these days.

 

[Pattycakes]

Hopefully it raises some awareness that the problems with racial divides aren't just a problem in the USA.

 

[sixteen-bit]

What really surprises me is eastern Europe. WTF?

Isn't anti-black racism especially bad in Eastern Europe?

 

[Kayhan]

When it comes to Europe the attitudes in Germany, France, Italy and Spain, are also terrible towards black people

Why are you singling out Germany and France? They are very close in number to the UK.

The real story seems to be about Eastern Europe and Southern Europe.

 

[Bronx-Man]

France, you're supposed to be the cool country

 

[zeemumu]

What really surprises me is eastern Europe. WTF?

I don't hear a lot of good things about Eastern Europe

 

[sphagnum]

Serbia has one of the best scores?

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Serbia has one of the best scores?

See my post. Both on a methodological and scientific level, the diagram does not stand.

 

[TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared]

Didn't we have a thread not too long ago about a gaffer experiencing racism in Greece and or Serbia and it coming across that it was super common?

 

[Derwind]

I'm pleasently surprised that Serbia has one of the more progressive views towards black people than anywhere else in Europe. Nice.

 

[Kill Your Masters]

Serbia has one of the best scores?

Im baffled all the balkan states have scored so low.

See my post. Both on a methodological and scientific level, the diagram does not stand.

It's quite the read that article, is there a tl;dr?

 

[nelsonroyale]

Eastern Europe needs to get its act together in terms of racism.

There is still a great deal of structural/institutional racism here in the UK, but it has definitely improved in terms of how people interact, especially amongst the young.

 

[Fritz]

Not saying we don't have to fight racism everywhere, but this article is just sensationalist

The exact meaning of implicit attitudes, and the IAT, are controversial, but we believe they reflect the automatic associations we hold in our minds, associations that develop over years of immersion in the social world.

 

[Reeks]

Perhaps. But let's take a look at our prison population.

 

[v1lla21]

Surprised about France tbh.

 

[Skellig Gra]

UK got Idris Elba so they cool with black people.

On a serious note, it seems Brits and to a lesser extent the Irish are much more inclined to hate on Eastern Europeans than Blacks. No love for Poland over there thats for damn sure.

 

[DrFunk]

I swear I've seen this somewhere.

There was a thread earlier this year, but it doesn't matter it bears repeating

 

[Keri]

The United States, at least, has been conscious of and working on addressing racism for a while now. So, in some sense we have an advantage there. Also, thanks to slavery we have a much more mixed population and a more pressing need to figure things out.

What's the percentage population of black people, in these countries?

 

[Palette Swap]

France, you're supposed to be the cool country

I'd love to see a regional or urban/rural breakdown but I'm sadly unsurprised. The usual "more urban"/"more educated" rule should apply.

I mean, the fact our cops aren't as trigger happy (even if they can still be racist assholes) or that we haven't built a private prison system around black bodies doesn't mean we're overall less racist, it just speaks to the means at our disposal (as a society).

 

[And_Gignac]

pretends_to_be_shocked.gif

 

[Nerdkiller]

I swear I've seen this somewhere.

You'd be right.

 

[cybamerc]

Problems with methodology aside, the article links to a survey for the US which seems to generally show worse scores. The color coding seems to differ between the US and EU chart, putting EU in an unfavorable light.

 

[gamma]

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/09/thi...-race-and-it-makes-for-uncomfortable-reading/



In results that should surprise no one, the latest studies prove attitudes towards black people in America are far less racist than anywhere in Europe.

And also completely not surprising the lesser racist countries towards blacks in Europe are Britain, Sweden and Norway. There are also some other countries that rank well among attitudes towards blacks like Belgium, Austria and Slovenia.

When it comes to Europe the attitudes in Germany, France, Italy and Spain, are also terrible towards black people, and worse than more racially open countries like Britain or Sweden. But these attitudes are the worst in Eastern Europe.

Unfortunately, it seems as though the culture of most of Europe is to view black and colored people as inferior and second class. Its hard to deny, having even a little bit of experience, that racial attitudes in America and Britain are far superior to most of Europe.

Hopefully, these attitudes can improve everywhere. We still have a lot of work to do.

This shit is old, not sure why you dug it up again
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1368316

 

[Fancyarcher]

Hopefully it raises some awareness that the problems with racial divides aren't just a problem in the USA.

It's always been a problem around the world. A lot of white people have superiority issues, no matter what they're from. Some people on these boards just seemingly refused to acknowledge racial divides were an issue outside of the U.S., when that's never sorely been the case.

It's a heavily flawed test BTW.

 

[RinsFury]

What really surprises me is eastern Europe. WTF?

That's the least surprising thing. If I ever visited I'd be terrified of venturing outside the major cities.

 

[Polk]

Isn't anti-black racism especially bad in Eastern Europe?

I cannot talk about other countries but in Poland it still very visible, unfortunately.

 

[liquidtmd]

UK got Idris Elba so they cool with black people.

On a serious note, it seems Brits and to a lesser extent the Irish are much more inclined to hate on Eastern Europeans than Blacks. No love for Poland over there thats for damn sure.

In the UK? I've been all over the North West and seen large Polish communities be embraced.

In Wrexham, Wales where I currently am sure there's the usual fucking occasional stupid story of hate but by and large there are large pockets of settled, happy Poles.

Purely in my experience obvs

 

[Skellig Gra]

Shit I remember that test now. I hate those style tests personally, it all feels like its trying to trick you based on muscle memory from earlier rounds of the test.

In the UK? I've been all over the North West and seen large Polish communities be embraced.

In Wrexham, Wales where I currently am sure there's the usual fucking occasional stupid story of hate but by and large there are large pockets of settled, happy Poles.

Purely in my experience obvs

Anecdotal obviously for me as well, but I've only ever heard comments from friends and family about Polish people taking jobs at Sainsburys or some equivalent low skill job. Lamenting the EU letting them in, "oh you'd never used to see that". Never heard anything about black people, although that could be a citizen vs immigrant thing.

 

[Fuchsdh]

Crazy cause 60 years ago black people use to emigrate to France to get away from racism

I have to imagine there was a more positive reception towards black people at the time in part because of their relative rarity. A lot harder to hold ingrained prejudices against people you're not regularly interacting with. Now with the influx of African immigrants there's a lot more negative associations to develop and be fostered by bigots.

Mainland France also never had the same types of codified racial laws as in their own colonies and that of other European powers, so I imagine in the Jim Crow era pretty much everything would look far better in comparison, especially to black emigres.

With that said, I don't really buy the utility of IAT outside of general attitudes, certainly not to the extent of ranking countries. While with far lower numbers of minorities sampling isn't as good, I'd say the best metrics for determining at least systemic racism in a country is in economic and social outlooks with race as the independent variable.

 

[Muffin1611]

Implicit association tests are awful, and even if they weren't, the samples for those tests are self-selecting.

http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2017/01/psychologys-racism-measuring-tool-isnt-up-to-the-job.html

This graph is meaningless; completely unfit to make international comparisons of the nature it wants.

I was sceptical already when I noticed that this thread was made by this guy:

Muslims are the second most affluent class in America.

They are 10% of all doctors in America. Very well off.

They don't face the same prejudices in America, and have far more opportunities. America just doesn't have the same racist culture of Europe, so minorities can prosper. Once you have a passport, you're American. If you're not white, you'll never be a European. You can take that to the bank.

Muslims in Europe face brutal racism and discrimination, and poverty, and unofficial rules that give them zero opportunities. Especially in countries like France. Frances own government studies have concluded it poverty and discrimination in the work force is at the heart of extremism in their country.

Well.

Reserving judgement until somebody links better sources on this topic.

 

[Duxxy3]

America: At least we're not as racist as Europe.

 

[Kayhan]

Problems with methodology aside, the article links to a survey for the US which seems to generally show worse scores. The color coding seems to differ between the US and EU chart, putting EU in an unfavorable light.

OP, don't run away, explain yourself.

Muslims are the second most affluent class in America.

They are 10% of all doctors in America. Very well off.

They don't face the same prejudices in America, and have far more opportunities. America just doesn't have the same racist culture of Europe, so minorities can prosper. Once you have a passport, you're American. If you're not white, you'll never be a European. You can take that to the bank.

Muslims in Europe face brutal racism and discrimination, and poverty, and unofficial rules that give them zero opportunities. Especially in countries like France. Frances own government studies have concluded it poverty and discrimination in the work force is at the heart of extremism in their country.

Oh I see now. You go out of your way to paint Europe in a negative light.

 

[zero_suit]

Implicit association tests are awful, and even if they weren't, the samples for those tests are self-selecting.

http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2017/01/psychologys-racism-measuring-tool-isnt-up-to-the-job.html

This graph is meaningless; completely unfit to make international comparisons of the nature it wants.

Why is this post mostly being ignored?

 

[Deleted member 98878]

This shit is old, not sure why you dug it up again
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1368316

It's Shadowhelper. Ignore him/her.

 

[Westbahnhof]

Why do you hate Europe so much? Who hurt you?

Seriously, your incendiary comments in the "US vs Europe food" thread, calling numerous countries local food terrible/bland/bad, including Italian pizza.

The claim that Europe is a favored terror target because there is no discrimination against Muslims in the US(garnished with the "10% of doctors" myth)

And now this, which people have pointed out is both old and misleading.
Are you trolling or are you trying to compensate/get revenge for something?

 

[DorkLord54]

Surprised about France tbh.

I thought it was pretty well known that, behind its veneer, France was the most racist Western European country due in part to its relatively aggressive views on assimilation.

 

[RoadHazard]

America: At least we're not as racist as Europe.

Except your black citizens get killed in the streets by police on a weekly (sometimes daily) basis. You don't see that shit in any European country.

 

[Muffin1611]

I participated myself in such a test and it got extremely skewed because of muscle memory. No thanks.

 

[Sgt. Kabukiman]

This test is old, has been highly criticized, plus there was already a thread and the OP knows that but posts it as news anyway. Look at his post history and laugh.

Obviously, that's not to say that racism is not a problem in those countries sadly, but this is just manipulative bullshit from one of the worst trolls on GAF.

 

[Fritz]

Problems with methodology aside, the article links to a survey for the US which seems to generally show worse scores. The color coding seems to differ between the US and EU chart, putting EU in an unfavorable light.

Lol, OP, check your sources. Germany scores better than California for example

 

[Irminsul]

Everyone in this thread should read the NYMag article Crab linked to. Not only is the IAT in itself rather flawed and untrustworthy (because, in contrast to what it claims, it's not really clear what it actually tests), but using it in such a way, especially with the caveat that it's only available in English, is completely useless. Well, except if you want to draw a map with a few colours on.

 

[rambis]

This shit is old, not sure why you dug it up again
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1368316

The article in the OP is dated 9/18, there's no need to dig anything up.

 

[sirap]

France, you're supposed to be the cool country

Everyone says this until they actually go there lol. We lived there for a few years and it wasn't all sunshine and roses.

I guess it's okay if you're a tourist (and not brown/black/muslim)