Super Smash Bros. for 3DS: new update available (1.0.4)

[ec0ec0]

This is a terrible post.

well, Steve, you are a mod. You know what to do haha

 

[BeatResetsTheWorld]

well, Steve, you are a mod. You know what to do haha

Ban people for making posts you don't agree with??

 

[Neoriceisgood]

Mewtwo's double hop grab cancel is gone.

 

[entremet]

who the fuck doesn't release patch notes on a balance patch of a fighting game
jesus

Funny thing, the community is so dedicated that we will probably get full patch notes soon lol.

This is the same community that nursed Melee before the streams and online play and created a massive mod to Brawl.

 

[PadWarrior]

so people preorder mewtwo next week

Lol

 

[Tesseract]

But, I question why is misinformation bad? Is it because we're so use to knowing every little aspect of a game that the idea of things being unknown is a negative? This isn't an RPG where you can miss out on things without a guide, it's a fighting game where if a character you use or are playing against has been tweaked, you will eventually figure out how.

I guess my point is, I don't really see why you need to know how exactly balance has been adjusted in a fighting game.

that doesn't make any kind of reasonable sense, c'mon beat.

 

[Vena]

Some changes seem good others seem a bit weird.

Ban people for making posts you don't agree with??

Patch notes should be conclusive not vague.

 

[Deleted member 13876]

But, I question why is misinformation bad? Is it because we're so use to knowing every little aspect of a game that the idea of things being unknown is a negative? This isn't an RPG where you can miss out on things without a guide, it's a fighting game where if a character you use or are playing against has been tweaked, you will eventually figure out how.

I guess my point is, I don't really see why you need to know how exactly balance has been adjusted in a fighting game.

Is this a weird entitled millennial rant in disguise?

 

[ec0ec0]

Ban people for making posts you don't agree with??

i was joking. Sorry BeatResetsTheWorld

 

[Steve Youngblood]

I guess my point is, I don't really see why you need to know how exactly balance has been adjusted in a fighting game.

Well, most people probably don't need to know this stuff. By and large, the patch is just an impediment to their enjoyment of the game. "Ugh, I just wanted to play a few games, but I can't because I have to download this stupid patch first."

But, man-hours were expended by the dev team and infrastructure had to be in place to deploy it. As such, the changes were automatically important enough that resources needed to be expended developing the changes and deploying them. It stands to reason that some fans will care about what these changes are, having spent tens if not hundreds of hours with the game. What did they change? Why? These are perfectly reasonable questions to ask, not just because they might have an impact on my playing the game, but also because I want to understand the trajectory of the title.

A list is a far quicker way to understand the substance of the changes as opposed to just trying to get a gut feeling for what's different. But of course, most players probably don't need patch notes.

 

[Astarte]

But, I question why is misinformation bad? Is it because we're so use to knowing every little aspect of a game that the idea of things being unknown is a negative? This isn't an RPG where you can miss out on things without a guide, it's a fighting game where if a character you use or are playing against has been tweaked, you will eventually figure out how.

I guess my point is, I don't really see why you need to know how exactly balance has been adjusted in a fighting game.

Is this real? I mean, learning about what moves have what properties from the get go would help people jump into the lab quicker and find new ways to cope with different situations much faster. It saves time from people going through placebo effects and stops false information from spreading.

 

[random25]

Rush Cancel seems to be removed based from my experience...uh oh...

 

[JoeInky]

I wouldn't be surprised if Sakurai is scared that someone would look at the patch notes and go "Wow, I don't know how I'm supposed to remember all that, this game must not be for me! it's too complicated!", or some other rubbish like that.

 

[$200]

It zooms now?

Actually I'm not sure, but it does feel slightly better..

 

[Monster Zero]

Hmmm fair to utilt combo with Kirby got nerfed, I can't land the sourspot on fair. It's behaving pretty wierdly

 

[Vena]

I wouldn't be surprised if Sakurai is scared that someone would look at the patch notes and go "Wow, I don't know how I'm supposed to remember all that, this game must not be for me! it's too complicated!", or some other rubbish like that.

Oh please.

 

[udivision]

I wouldn't be surprised if Sakurai is scared that someone would look at the patch notes and go "Wow, I don't know how I'm supposed to remember all that, this game must not be for me! it's too complicated!", or some other rubbish like that.

That sounds Sakurai-y.

 

[Cedric]

I wouldn't be surprised if Sakurai is scared that someone would look at the patch notes and go "Wow, I don't know how I'm supposed to remember all that, this game must not be for me! it's too complicated!", or some other rubbish like that.

Hahahahaha that wouldn't surprise me either.

 

[JoeInky]

Omega Warioware camera seems to be exactly the same.

 

[Revven]

Rush Cancel seems to be removed based from my experience...uh oh...

Yeah that's confirmed to be gone as well as Wario's hitstun glitch. I mean, it's fine because both of those (in my opinion) were negatively affecting the game in competitive play.

 

[PK Gaming]

But, I question why is misinformation bad? Is it because we're so use to knowing every little aspect of a game that the idea of things being unknown is a negative? This isn't an RPG where you can miss out on things without a guide, it's a fighting game where if a character you use or are playing against has been tweaked, you will eventually figure out how.

I guess my point is, I don't really see why you need to know how exactly balance has been adjusted in a fighting game.

It might not matter to you, but patch information is vital to people who play this game on a competitively level. Hell who play this game on a semi-competitive level are dying to know the changes as well, as shown by this thread.

No disrespect, but your metaphor is flawed and disingenuous and you're just forcing your own standards onto everyone else.

 

[Hero Prinny]

I wouldn't be surprised if Sakurai is scared that someone would look at the patch notes and go "Wow, I don't know how I'm supposed to remember all that, this game must not be for me! it's too complicated!", or some other rubbish like that.

The sad thing is that this is very believable

 

[Karsticles]

Bowser fsmash doing less % doesn't matter, so long as it still has its KO power.

Actually I'm not sure, but it does feel slightly better..

It should be easy to tell. The camera either zooms or it doesn't.

 

[Popnbake]

who the fuck doesn't release patch notes on a balance patch of a fighting game
jesus

Considering how Smash isn't treated like other fighting games, it's not that surprising.

 

[astrogamer]

Checking out Dedede and not much has changed for him only things I saw were that FAir was slightly weakened to 12%, the kirbycide nerf, his final smash no longer counting as a combo in training and maybe his spitting out range slightly extended

 

[Dimmle]

Yeah that's confirmed to be gone as well as Wario's hitstun glitch. I mean, it's fine because both of those (in my opinion) were negatively affecting the game in competitive play.

Were Rush cancelling Mega Men running amok? I feel like it was a pretty reasonable concession to Mega players.

 

[Revven]

Considering how Smash isn't treated like other fighting games, it's not that surprising.

It doesn't matter, it should have patch notes if there's going to be sweeping changes across the cast like this. Every development team/publisher for any game releases detailed patch notes for their multiplayer games whenever a patch is dropped.

Were Rush cancelling Mega Men running amok? I feel like it was a pretty reasonable concession to Mega players.

No, but it would have been more common on the Wii U version and it was defying game logic of not being able to act out of non-tumble hitstun and/or being able to cancel the hitstun with special moves. Even in Brawl, where you could cancel hitstun, you couldn't cancel non-tumble hitstun (low%) with special moves. Just like Wario's weird hitstun glitch was completely unintentional.

If they were things that benefited comp. play in net positive way (e.g offensively, not defensively) then I would be upset. But because they were both defensive tactics I'm glad they're gone, it means both characters are open to follow-ups or baits or whatever.

Also it was clearly going to be patched out regardless of if a large majority of people liked it (I'm pretty sure a large majority didn't like it anyway because it got Mega Man out of low% combos while no other character couldn't) because it wasn't intended behavior.

 

[Beelzebufo]

Rush Cancel seems to be removed based from my experience...uh oh...

I'm pretty sure the first thing said when people found that in the demo was "This is going to be patched." And it was!

 

[random25]

Yeah that's confirmed to be gone as well as Wario's hitstun glitch. I mean, it's fine because both of those (in my opinion) were negatively affecting the game in competitive play.

It's not even that bad tbh. Almost every move he makes has an exploitable opening so at least Rush Cancel is enough compensation for those. Guess that Leaf Shield upgrade has a big price lol.

 

[Zomba13]

But, I question why is misinformation bad? Is it because we're so use to knowing every little aspect of a game that the idea of things being unknown is a negative? This isn't an RPG where you can miss out on things without a guide, it's a fighting game where if a character you use or are playing against has been tweaked, you will eventually figure out how.

I guess my point is, I don't really see why you need to know how exactly balance has been adjusted in a fighting game.

Fighting games are competitive games. It helps to know the rules and know the tools. What if you were playing Tennis and one match they just say "We've updated to Tennis 1.01" And nothing else and then when playing you realise you can no longer backhand because it's against the rules? Or there is now a hole big enough for the ball to slip through in the upper section of the racket? It's kinda the same with a fighting game character. You get used to the way a certain one plays and while you may learn what has changed if you experiment, going into a fight without knowing what has changed is stupid and adds an unknown variable. Will my attack work the same? I can usually go for a KO at this %, can I still do that?

Fighting games are like, the game type where it's most important to know what has changed in a patch (Up there with MMOs and competitive shooters).

 

[Toxi]

So, any Samus differences ?

Not much Samus mains, neh ?

I haven't noticed any, though I'm not a very good Samus player. I don't think the jab being unsafe on hit was fixed. Gonna check that out.

 

[Ricky 7]

All Shulk's buffs are true, his Jab with Buster does 17% and his Forward Tilt with Buster does 18%.
All these added 1-3% damage will add up so this was a great buff.

Ah, thanks anyway.

Dragon Rush has been nerfed, it does 11% instead of 15%.

 

[Dimmle]

It's not even that bad tbh. Almost every move he makes has an exploitable opening so at least Rush Cancel is enough compensation for those. Guess that Leaf Shield upgrade has a big price lol.

Yeah, it kinda made sense for Mega to have a combo escape tactic since he's still going to spend a lot of time getting pummeled.

 

[Fmal]

Bowser nerf killed the one fun character in this boring game RIP.

 

[SUPERJEM94]

Assorted Smash 4 1.0.4 Changes From Smashboards

 

[Ricky 7]

Bowser fsmash doing less % doesn't matter, so long as it still has its KO power.

His Forward Smash is the exact same, just tested it in both versions.

 

[SoldnerKei]

Assorted Smash 4 1.0.4 Changes From Smashboards

nice, good to see that leaf shield is now better

 

[emb]

Fighting games are competitive games. It helps to know the rules and know the tools. What if you were playing Tennis and one match they just say "We've updated to Tennis 1.01" And nothing else and then when playing you realise you can no longer backhand because it's against the rules? Or there is now a hole big enough for the ball to slip through in the upper section of the racket? It's kinda the same with a fighting game character. You get used to the way a certain one plays and while you may learn what has changed if you experiment, going into a fight without knowing what has changed is stupid and adds an unknown variable. Will my attack work the same? I can usually go for a KO at this %, can I still do that?

Fighting games are like, the game type where it's most important to know what has changed in a patch (Up there with MMOs and competitive shooters).

We'll still know soon.

It's just with patch notes we wouldn't have people right now wasting their time figuring out and testing exactly what changed. Instead they could already have moved on to testing and theorizing what applications and implications the changes have for each character and the metagame.

 

[0xCA2]

Guess we're gong to have to wait until people write scripts to compare changes between the files of the different builds to get patch notes.

I wouldn't be surprised if Sakurai is scared that someone would look at the patch notes and go "Wow, I don't know how I'm supposed to remember all that, this game must not be for me! it's too complicated!", or some other rubbish like that.

Wouldn't be surprised TBH.

 

[Revven]

Yeah, it kinda made sense for Mega to have a combo escape tactic since he's still going to spend a lot of time getting pummeled.

I don't agree, he's a keep-away character. When you get in close and hit him you should be able to deal a few more extended hits at low%. That kind of thing MM had is exactly what competitive players don't want because then it becomes a game of trading hits and resetting to neutral (which is what Brawl boiled down to).

 

[Vena]

Yeah, it kinda made sense for Mega to have a combo escape tactic since he's still going to spend a lot of time getting pummeled.

Rush Cancel and Wectoring were bad glitches that emphasized more defensive play. Megaman is already a keep-away character, he didn't and doesn't need even more options for breaking out of pummeling combos when someone gets close.

It's also good that they normalized some of the absolutely insane air-dodge windows, though I'd increase the air-dodge lag across the board.

 

[Cody_D165]

jesus

we gotta datamine for patch notes? lmao... >_>

 

[Nvzman]

Sonic apparently got some nerfs with increased Dash Attack cooldown and UAir landing lag.

But he got buffed with less DSmash and UTilt cooldown, 2% dash attack damage increase and UAir supposedly killing better.

Overall he looks the same while mostly buffed. Surprising how out of all of the perceived top tiers Sonic is the one with least changes, then again he's always felt somewhat neglected in Smash Bros.

Nerfs to uair? NOOOOOOOO...

 

[Karsticles]

Bowser nerf killed the one fun character in this boring game RIP.

Bowsercide made him the only fun thing in the game? Hahaha.

Assorted Smash 4 1.0.4 Changes From Smashboards

Would you post them here? Smashboards is blocked at work.

His Forward Smash is the exact same, just tested it in both versions.

Cool beans.

 

[DSix]

His Forward Smash is the exact same, just tested it in both versions.

Good, I'm reassured. Now we just have to deal with having a fun move removed :/

 

[SUPERJEM94]

Would you post them here? Smashboards is blocked at work.

It's a video on YouTube showing changes to MegaMan, Ganon, ZZS, and Pac Man

 

[Deleted member 13876]

Would you post them here? Smashboards is blocked at work.

It's a Youtube video.

Description:
Left side is 1.0.4, right side is 1.0.1 (Which is identical in engine to 1.0.3).
Just showing off five character's changes from the new 1.0.4 update.
Megaman: Super reduced recovery on Leaf Shield.
Ganondorf: Sliightly reduced landing lag on nair.
Pac-Man: Fresh bair no longer sends the hydrant flying.
Falco: Blaster (On ground only) is slightly faster.
ZSS: Neutral B paralyzer has slightly more recovery frames.

 

[Holy Order Sol]

Because you can play yourself and find out?

Because clearly that's working out so well for everyone involved right now.

Complete, certified accurate information should be the standard for every single fighting game ever.

 

[Crimsonclaw111]

Marth and Lucina apparently got better down and forward throws.

 

[Snacks the sober sea lion]

How did you actually manage to get killed by Bowsercide anyway? He doesn't even have control of himself during it. Changing something that's been part of Bowser since he was introduced because people are too clueless to hold towards the stage?