Surprising piece in the WSJ regarding Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/when-your-daughter-defies-biology-11546804848

Since it is likely behind a paywall, I posted it below.

A reader contacted me under a pseudonym a few months ago. She turned out to be a prominent Southern lawyer with a problem she hoped I’d write about. Her college-age daughter had always been a “girly girl” and intellectually precocious, but had struggled with anxiety and depression. She liked boys and had boyfriends in high school, but also faced social challenges and often found herself on the outs with cliques.

The young woman went off to college—which began, as it often does these days, with an invitation to state her name, sexual orientation and “pronouns.” When her anxiety flared during her first semester, she and several of her friends decided their angst had a fashionable cause: “gender dysphoria.” Within a year, the lawyer’s daughter had begun a course of testosterone. Her real drug—the one that hooked her—was the promise of a new identity. A shaved head, boys’ clothes and a new name formed the baptismal waters of a female-to-male rebirth.

This is the phenomenon Brown University public-health researcher Lisa Littman has identified as “rapid onset gender dysphoria.” ROGD differs from traditional gender dysphoria, a psychological affliction that begins in early childhood and is characterized by a severe and persistent feeling that one was born the wrong sex. ROGD is a social contagion that comes on suddenly in adolescence, afflicting teens who’d never exhibited any confusion about their sex.

Like other social contagions, such as cutting and bulimia, ROGD overwhelmingly afflicts girls. But unlike other conditions, this one—though not necessarily its sufferers—gets full support from the medical community. The standard for dealing with teens who assert they are transgender is “affirmative care”—immediately granting the patient’s stated identity. There are, to be sure, a few dissenters. “This idea that what we’re supposed to do as therapists is to ‘affirm’? That’s not my job,” said psychotherapist Lisa Marchiano. “If I work with someone who’s really suicidal because his wife left him, I don’t call his wife up and say, ‘Hey, you’ve got to come back.’ . . . We don’t treat suicide by giving people exactly what they want.”

But giving in to patients’ demands is exactly what most medical professionals do when faced with ROGD. Like fashionable and tragic misdiagnoses of the past, this one comes with irreversible physical trauma. “Top surgery,” a euphemism for double mastectomies. Infertility. Permanent rounding of facial features or squaring of the jawline. Bodily and facial hair that never goes away.


Planned Parenthood furnishes testosterone to young women on an “informed consent” basis, without requiring any psychological evaluation. Student health plans at 86 colleges—including those of nearly every Ivy League school—cover not only cross-sex hormones but surgery as well.

ROGD-afflicted adolescents typically suffer anxiety and depression at a difficult stage of life, when confusion is at least as pervasive as fun, and there is everywhere the sense that they ought to be having the times of their lives. I spoke with 18 parents, 14 of them mothers—all articulate, intellectual, educated and feminist. They burst with pride in daughters who, until the ROGD spell hit, were highly accomplished, usually bound for top universities. Except for two mothers whose daughters have desisted, all insisted on anonymity. They are terrified their daughters will discover the depth of their dissent and cut them off. They are determined to use whatever influence they have left to halt their daughters’ next voluntary disfigurement.

Nearly every force in society is aligned against these parents: Churches scramble to rewrite their liturgies for greater “inclusiveness.” Therapists and psychiatrists undermine parental authority with immediate affirmation of teens’ self-diagnoses. Campus counselors happily refer students to clinics that dispense hormones on the first visit. Laws against “conversion therapy,” which purports to cure homosexuality, are on the books in 14 states and the District of Columbia. These statutes also prohibit “efforts to change a patient’s . . . gender identity,” in the words of the New Jersey law—effectively threatening counselors who might otherwise dissuade teens from proceeding with hormone treatment or surgery.

Reddit, Tumblr, Instagram and YouTube host an endless supply of mentors, who cheerfully document their own physical transitions, omitting mention of dangerous side effects and offering tips on how to pass as a man and how to break away from unsupportive parents. For anxious teens who tend toward obsession, these videos can be mesmerizing. Though the stars are typically pictured alone in a bedroom, they project exuberance and social élan. As one female-to-male YouTube guru who goes by “Alex Bertie” puts it: “Taking testosterone is the best decision I’ve ever made. I’m so happy within myself. It did not solve all of my problems, but it’s given me the strength to make the most out of life and to battle my other demons like my social issues.”

Brie Jontry, a spokeswoman for Fourth Wave Now, an international support network for these families, is one of the two mothers who spoke on the record. She tells me ROGD teens often come from politically progressive families. Many of the mothers I spoke with say they enthusiastically supported same-sex marriage long before it was legal anywhere. Some of them describe welcoming the news when their daughters came out as lesbians. But when their daughters suddenly decided that they were actually men and started clamoring for hormones and surgery, the mothers begged them to reconsider, or at least slow down.

“If your kid went off and joined the Moonies, people would feel sorry for you, and they would understand that this is a bad thing and that your kid shouldn’t be in the Moonies,” one mother, a former leader of the pro-gay organization Pflag, said. “With this, I can’t even tell anybody. I talk to my husband, that’s it.” The couple have faithfully covered their daughter’s tuition, health-care and cellphone bills—even though she refuses to speak to them.

Under the influence of testosterone and the spell of transgression, ROGD daughters grow churlish and aggressive. Under the banner of civil rights, they assume the moral high ground. Their mothers take cover behind pseudonyms. As ROGD daughters rage against the biology they hope to defy, their mothers bear its burden, evincing its maternal instinct—the stubborn refusal to abandon their young.
My biggest only issue with the piece is that it seems like it is questioning why these young women would give up their femininity to be men, with icky testosterone that turns them "churlish and agressive", but other than that I really can't disagree with the premise. That young people are getting caught up in a trend that may not be the best thing for them in the long term in their desire for social acceptance.
 
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Hopefully more research can follow to help doctors differentiate between valid disorder and this "social contagion". I think the observations from this study match the general observations of the populace over the past decade: some people genuinely suffer from gender dysphoria, but a lot of Tumblr types are merely "identifying" as such purely for emotional/social reasons.
 

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It is about ROGD rather than traditional GD so I can certainly see the points made in the piece. Interesting read. IMO it's a time bomb what is going on.
 
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I wonder if part of this is down to feminists and the rest of the SJW clan telling women how awful life is as a woman and how much easier it is as a man. I would presume the sheer quantity of that must have some influence.
 
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I wonder if part of this is down to feminists and the rest of the SJW clan telling women how awful life is as a woman and how much easier it is as a man. I would presume the sheer quantity of that must have some influence.
Oh so now this "SJW" crowd like men to much that they are telling women it's better to be a man, because I always thought they hated straight white men .. seeing as that is what people on the right or anyone that rails against them says. Feel free to presume whatever you want but you sound foolish making such assertions without any proof .
 
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Oh so now this "SJW" crowd like men to much that they are telling women it's better to be a man, because I always thought they hated straight white men .. seeing as that is what people on the right or anyone that rails against them says. Feel free to presume whatever you want but you sound foolish making sure assertions without any proof .
Not sure if serious or trolling. If serious you literally have no grasp of reality or reading. Congratulations on that. Perhaps I used too many big words.

1. Notice I say that feminists are telling women how awful it is to be a woman. This is because feminists are telling them that men are oppressing them, especially straight white men.
2. Notice also that I don't say that SJWs are saying that men are better, I'm saying that SJWs present life as a man as a walk in the park. Get some fucking reading comprehension.

Btw I'm left, just not as far left as you'd like. I voted Labour in the UK elections, because I'm an old-fashioned socialist, the left that looks after the poor rather than the left that fucking hates straight white males.
 

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Not sure if serious or trolling. If serious you literally have no grasp of reality or reading. Congratulations on that. Perhaps I used too many big words.

1. Notice I say that feminists are telling women how awful it is to be a woman. This is because feminists are telling them that men are oppressing them, especially straight white men.
2. Notice also that I don't say that SJWs are saying that men are better, I'm saying that SJWs present life as a man as a walk in the park. Get some fucking reading comprehension.

Btw I'm left, just not as far left as you'd like. I voted Labour in the UK elections, because I'm an old-fashioned socialist, the left that looks after the poor rather than the left that fucking hates straight white males.
1) Notice how you group both feminist and SJW together in making that statement , so instead of saying I can't read maybe you need to freshen up on GCSE English as I've bolded the section for you to over


if part of this is down to feminists and the rest of the SJW clan
2) pay close attention to what you are saying .. "life is awful as a woman and easier as a man "

So life is better as a man . That's the laymen version of what you are saying

how awful life is as a woman and how much easier it is as a man
Learn to structure your sentence better next time if you don't want what you are saying to be taken out of context .
 
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Oh so now this "SJW" crowd like men to much that they are telling women it's better to be a man, because I always thought they hated straight white men .. seeing as that is what people on the right or anyone that rails against them says. Feel free to presume whatever you want but you sound foolish making such assertions without any proof .
It is too much.
 
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@AfricanKing I'm struggling to see what's so hard to read, my content is structured well-enough that a person of normal intelligence can read it - I cannot be held accountable for disingenuous misreading such as yours.

1. Where is the problem in bringing feminists and the rest of the SJW clan together? Feminists are the primary group telling women how shit life is for women, and feminists are part of the larger SJW group, where this also exists.

2. You literally can't read. Nope. I did not say life is awful as a woman, I said that feminists and the SJW clan are persuading women that this is the case. I literally have no idea how you could read what I posted and think otherwise.

"part of this is down to feminists and the rest of the SJW clan telling women how awful life is as a woman and how much easier it is as a man"

To make it super-easy I've colour-coded my quote. Red is who is doing the telling. Blue is the telling itself and who is being told, and green is the information being imparted. That's a super-simple sentence right there and you couldn't read it. I suggest having words with your primary school teacher.

I have to conclude at this point that no reasonable person would struggle so much with fairly basic wording, and seeing your condescending suggestion that I am structuring my content badly suggests that you are simply aiming to either troll or deflect with wordplay (pretty low-effort wordplay at that) instead of reason.
 
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@AfricanKing I'm struggling to see what's so hard to read, my content is structured well-enough that a person of normal intelligence can read it - I cannot be held accountable for disingenuous misreading such as yours.

1. Where is the problem in bringing feminists and the rest of the SJW clan together? Feminists are the primary group telling women how shit life is for women, and feminists are part of the larger SJW group, where this also exists.

2. You literally can't read. Nope. I did not say life is awful as a woman, I said that feminists and the SJW clan are persuading women that this is the case. I literally have no idea how you could read what I posted and think otherwise.

"part of this is down to feminists and the rest of the SJW clan telling women how awful life is as a woman and how much easier it is as a man"

To make it super-easy I've colour-coded my quote. Red is who is doing the telling. Blue is the telling itself and who is being told, and green is the information being imparted. That's a super-simple sentence right there and you couldn't read it. I suggest having words with your primary school teacher.

I have to conclude at this point that no reasonable person would struggle so much with fairly basic wording, and seeing your condescending suggestion that I am structuring my content badly suggests that you are simply aiming to either troll or deflect with wordplay (pretty low-effort wordplay at that) instead of reason.
Let's look at what you wrote and see where you went wrong. Then apply it to what I wrote . I'll colour code it for you since you like playing with colours okay :messenger_winking:

Purple : Is you grouping them together
Yellow: is you telling us that they both share the same message in saying how awful it is to be a woman
Blue: is you now saying that they both also believe that life would be better as a man or how you put it easier
Green: is you making an assertion with no facts just mindless stupidity


I wonder if part of this is down to feminists and the rest of the SJW clan telling women how awful life is as a woman and how much easier it is as a man. I would presume the sheer quantity of that must have some influence.
Now hopefully you can see the correlation between what I wrote and the scribble you put together

Oh so now this "SJW" crowd like men to much that they are telling women it's better to be a man, because I always thought they hated straight white men .. seeing as that is what people on the right or anyone that rails against them says. Feel free to presume whatever you want but you sound foolish making such assertions without any proof .
Do you see where you fucked up.
 
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I give up. This is like playing chess with a pigeon. There's literally no shred of logic (you've made some startling leaps in directions that make zero sense) in what you're saying, leaving me with only two possible conclusions:
1. You're simply not capable of having a grown-up conversation due to linguistic difficulties. You manage to type sentences so I think this is not the case.
2. You're simply trolling, making nonsensical arguments to derail the thread.

Option 2 is the most likely, and good luck to you with that. I won't be assisting you any further in your task.
 
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I had multiple girlfriends that were tomboys when they were younger. They wore boy clothes. They played with boys and liked "boy activities and toys". They wanted to be boys.

Then they grew out of it. The liberal agenda would want to push them into gender reassignment now so that they become poor victims that should vote Democrat because everyone is mean to them. They are currently normal females and have not committed suicide.

The side of science should know just how impressionable young children are and why we have so many laws that they cannot make major decision until a certain age.
 

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I give up. This is like playing chess with a pigeon. There's literally no shred of logic (you've made some startling leaps in directions that make zero sense) in what you're saying, leaving me with only two possible conclusions:
1. You're simply not capable of having a grown-up conversation due to linguistic difficulties. You manage to type sentences so I think this is not the case.
2. You're simply trolling, making nonsensical arguments to derail the thread.

Option 2 is the most likely, and good luck to you with that. I won't be assisting you any further in your task.
Haha what a joke . I've made leaps in logic ...yeah right, where's your proof that I've been asking for since the first reply .

Again what a joke .
 

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I had multiple girlfriends that were tomboys when they were younger. They wore boy clothes. They played with boys and liked "boy activities and toys". They wanted to be boys.

Then they grew out of it. The liberal agenda would want to push them into gender reassignment now so that they become poor victims that should vote Democrat because everyone is mean to them. They are currently normal females and have not committed suicide.

The side of science should know just how impressionable young children are and why we have so many laws that they cannot make major decision until a certain age.
This isn’t even talking about young children, but college age late teens/young adults. The fact that you can get HRT at planned parenthood without proper psychological exams is fucking horrific.
 
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So you tell me they do it because its the new cool "in" thing gee i am shocked... in a couple of years there will be lots and lots of suicides of people that jumped on this and irreversibly changed their biology because it was the "cool lefty" thing to do at the moment and the insane far left as well as SJW who infected social "science" will have to carry that.
 
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Probably stating the obvious, but I think observed ROGD is:

1. partly some transmen/transwomen who were heavily in denial learning about the trans phenomenon/seeing growing acceptance of it and realizing that they are trans and
2. partly people latching onto an identity they view as protected, and which comes with a very close community where they can find social connections, due to compensate for a weak sense of self or for manipulative purposes

I can't really say what proportions fit in Option 1 and Option 2, but those seem like the only two possibilities to me.
 
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It seems like inclusivity is nothing more than sociopolitical currency. And the trans community has been sold out for it.

Good job intersectionalists. /s

Sex bots can’t come fast enough so I can see the next group on the wedge issue chopping block.
 
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So you tell me they do it because its the new cool "in" thing gee i am shocked... in a couple of years there will be lots and lots of suicides of people that jumped on this and irreversibly changed their biology because it was the "cool lefty" thing to do at the moment and the insane far left as well as SJW who infected social "science" will have to carry that.
Unfortunately they will probably be taking real trans people with them.
 
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Let's look at what you wrote and see where you went wrong. Then apply it to what I wrote . I'll colour code it for you since you like playing with colours okay :messenger_winking:

Purple : Is you grouping them together
Yellow: is you telling us that they both share the same message in saying how awful it is to be a woman
Blue: is you now saying that they both also believe that life would be better as a man or how you put it easier
Green: is you making an assertion with no facts just mindless stupidity




Now hopefully you can see the correlation between what I wrote and the scribble you put together



Do you see where you fucked up.
You are making absolutely no sense.
 
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Just 😂 at AfricanKing.

A lot of this gender nonsense is very much a fad, and I notice it is largely young women. I think this is just their way of dealing with depression. Boys become more insular and alone, seeking communities online while women create create more exclusionary communities and gatekeep it. "Trans", the multiple genders, other in, multiple breeds, etc etc is just a different way of doing the same thing. Finding that community
 
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Not sure if serious or trolling. If serious you literally have no grasp of reality or reading. Congratulations on that. Perhaps I used too many big words.

1. Notice I say that feminists are telling women how awful it is to be a woman. This is because feminists are telling them that men are oppressing them, especially straight white men.
2. Notice also that I don't say that SJWs are saying that men are better, I'm saying that SJWs present life as a man as a walk in the park. Get some fucking reading comprehension.

Btw I'm left, just not as far left as you'd like. I voted Labour in the UK elections, because I'm an old-fashioned socialist, the left that looks after the poor rather than the left that fucking hates straight white males.
Nobody hates straight white males though?
 
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it is a sensitive topic, and something that needs to be given much consideration. when you are that age your body is going through a lot of changes.

personally i know the adverse effects of medication on the teenage body. for years i had to take a number of medications that left me drained, depressed, suicidal, etc. my body did not develop fully as a result of some hormonal blockers, and the sad state of my mental health during those years was horrible for developing the social skills needed for finding a mate.

the reason i had to be on those medications was life-threatening, so i don't regret it, but i have had second thoughts about it all, and talked to my parents about the difficult decisions they made. it's not always as clear cut as people think.

these years have tremendous impact over the rest of our lives. when you are a teenager you are naturally experimental, trying on different personas, looking for cliques, etc. i think we should be aware that younger people are very susceptible to social pressure & bad decisions.
 
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