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Swedish retailer lists Demon's Souls 2 and Evolve(?) for PS4

Guevara

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This seems like a really dumb idea. Take your time, do it right, don't dilute the franchise.
 

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I was just joking. It's still extremely likely due to everything I said.

Oh, I'm not saying it's bullshit, because it's happening, but BruceLeeRoy is just coming in after actual legit posters and repeating their info as if he knows anything.

Or I may be completely wrong about him, but he's been wrong enough times that it's getting a little annoying.
 

PlanetSmasher

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This seems like a really dumb idea. Take you time, do it right, don't dilute the franchise.

What franchise? There's only one Demon's Souls game. And just because the sequel (hypothetically) exists doesn't mean Sony is going to force FROM to rush it to market.

If anything, they'd want it to have a bit of space from Dark Souls 2 so it can stand on its own.
 

Zeroth

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Can't you people just play DS2 like everyone else.

DeS and DaS are are build on the same engine/mechanics, but the game design is pretty different. I for one like the hub aspect of DeS more than the open world of DaS and appreciate the magicsystem, and I believe there is a lot of room to expand it to be even more different from DaS.
 

Stone Ocean

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I don't see why is it so impossible for From to make Demon's 2. Dark Souls 2 ain't even going next gen and Miyazaki ain't working on it, so what's the big deal about it?
 
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What franchise? There's only one Demon's Souls game. And just because the sequel (hypothetically) exists doesn't mean Sony is going to force FROM to rush it to market.

If anything, they'd want it to have a bit of space from Dark Souls 2 so it can stand on its own.
Plus, Miyazaki would be directing this one. That would imply it's the higher priority of the two.
 

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Aren't Dark Souls and Demon Souls basically the same game?

The only difference, as far as I recall, is that Demons Souls is darker and grittier while also having a fragmented world bound together by a hub called "the nexus". So while you can walk from one end of the world to the other in Dark Souls, in Demons Souls you cannot. Also, Dark Souls doesn't have Valley of Defilement, so I automatically like Dark Souls better. ;)
 

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Oh, I'm not saying it's bullshit, because it's happening, but BruceLeeRoy is just coming in after actual legit posters and repeating their info as if he knows anything.

Or I may be completely wrong about him, but he's been wrong enough times that it's getting a little annoying.

The truth is all this insider crap is kind of useless.

Even if you've heard something multiple times from trustworthy sources, the information can change overnight. Even CBOAT got Prince of Persia wrong, and he's about as reliable as they get. Nothing is certain.

At the same time there's usually smoke where there's fire.
 
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Demons souls is superior to Dark Souls especially the PvP aspect. So while I will buy DS2 day one, if I ever had to make a choice between the two I would pick Demons souls in a heartbeat.
They said they're fixing that with Dark Souls 2. That sounds like it was a fuck up that would've happened regardless of the title they slapped on it.
 

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The only difference, as far as I recall, is that Demons Souls is darker and grittier while also having a fragmented world bound together by a hub called "the nexus". So while you can walk from one end of the world to the other in Dark Souls, in Demons Souls you cannot. Also, Dark Souls doesn't have Valley of Defilement, so I automatically like Dark Souls better. ;)
I think Valley of Defilement amazing :-D
 

Wynnebeck

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This seems like a really dumb idea. Take your time, do it right, don't dilute the franchise.


Do it tonight?
 

Stone Ocean

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The truth is all this insider crap is kind of useless.

Even if you've heard something multiple times from trustworthy sources, the information can change overnight. Even CBOAT got Prince of Persia wrong, and he's about as reliable as they get. Nothing is certain.

At the same time there's usually smoke where there's fire.
There's a difference between changing an annoucement's timing and info that a certain game is being made or not.

The latter is far, far harder to change overnight.
 

PlanetSmasher

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Plus, Miyazaki would be directing this one. That would imply it's the higher priority of the two.

If he is, I hope he brings back a few more of the survival horror bits and pieces from Demon's Souls. I honestly felt that DeS was more of a horror game and DaS was more of a fantasy game. Both are good games, but if I had to choose between a sequel to either one, I'd rather see another Demon's Souls.

And I still personally think the Painted World from Dark Souls was actually the cut Sixth Archstone from Demon's Souls, but slightly repurposed. It just felt different enough from the rest of the game (and it was the only instanced part of the entire game world) that it could've fit neatly into DeS. There were even baby Phalanxes in it!
 
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I'll just lay this out and that will be that.


I heard two sets of rumors, months ago. They had to do with the same 3 games.



Set 1:

Final Fantasy Versus was turning into FFXV, sony was trying to get it as an exclusive.

Kingdom Hearts 3 was coming, sony was trying to get it as an exclusive.

Miyazaki and a team from FROM Software were working on a new IP, a spiritual successor to Demon's Souls.

Online play going behind PS+



Set 2:

FF versus was turning into FFXV, sony was helping develop it, PS4 exclusive.

KH3 was coming, PS4 exclusive.

From making Demon's Souls 2.

Online play remaining free





So, obviously, Set 2 is a bit more than half wrong. Versus did become XV, but it wasn't developed by Sony and isn't exclusive. KH3 is coming, not PS4 exclusive. Online play isn't free.


So that leaves Demon's Souls 2. Given the difference between these two sources I'm going to personally believe the rumor in set one, not set two. But, that said, a name is a pretty easy thing to change. They could easily have begun as Demon's Souls 2 and changed the name to something new... or vice-versa, to give the game a higher profile when it's announced. But one thing seems certain in these dueling rumors... Miyazaki and a team at FROM are making something that is either Demon's Souls 2 or something that is very much like it.


I don't know any of this to be fact. I don't know anyone at FROM. I don't know anyone at Sony working with them. This is just me aggregating two separate rumors that have passed through my end of the world. Which leads me to my prior post. What we know for certain is that Miyazaki isn't working on Dark Souls 2. There is a team inside FROM with an unannounced project.... and Miyazaki and Sony have been tight for three generations now.
 

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If he is, I hope he brings back a few more of the survival horror bits and pieces from Demon's Souls. I honestly felt that DeS was more of a horror game and DaS was more of a fantasy game. Both are good games, but if I had to choose between a sequel to either one, I'd rather see another Demon's Souls.

And I still personally think the Painted World from Dark Souls was actually the cut Sixth Archstone from Demon's Souls, but slightly repurposed. It just felt different enough from the rest of the game (and it was the only instanced part of the entire game world) that it could've fit neatly into DeS. There were even baby Phalanxes in it!

Yes.. I also felt that Painted World stood on its own within Dark Souls. It is also my favorite area of that game.
 
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If he is, I hope he brings back a few more of the survival horror bits and pieces from Demon's Souls. I honestly felt that DeS was more of a horror game and DaS was more of a fantasy game. Both are good games, but if I had to choose between a sequel to either one, I'd rather see another Demon's Souls.

And I still personally think the Painted World from Dark Souls was actually the cut Sixth Archstone from Demon's Souls, but slightly repurposed. It just felt different enough from the rest of the game (and it was the only instanced part of the entire game world) that it could've fit neatly into DeS. There were even baby Phalanxes in it!
But the sixth archstone was the land of the giants. The painted world was nothing like that.
 

PlanetSmasher

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But the sixth archstone was the land of the giants. The painted world was nothing like that.

We don't really know anything about the land of the giants except that it was supposed to be snowy. And the castle in the Painted World was pretty massive. I don't think it was a direct 1 to 1 correlation, but the fact that it was an instanced, completely separate part of the world map (and the only one of those there was in the entire game until the Voidwalker DLC), it had cameo enemies from Demon's Souls in it and it also had a rare enemy with a hat clearly designed to evoke the Old Monk meant that, at least in my opinion, it was meant to be a reference to Demon's Souls.

I think From took some of the unused ideas they had for the Land of the Giants and made them into the Painted World.
 

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If he is, I hope he brings back a few more of the survival horror bits and pieces from Demon's Souls. I honestly felt that DeS was more of a horror game and DaS was more of a fantasy game. Both are good games, but if I had to choose between a sequel to either one, I'd rather see another Demon's Souls.

And I still personally think the Painted World from Dark Souls was actually the cut Sixth Archstone from Demon's Souls, but slightly repurposed. It just felt different enough from the rest of the game (and it was the only instanced part of the entire game world) that it could've fit neatly into DeS. There were even baby Phalanxes in it!
Yeah,I hope they bring back something like the Tower of Latria,that was my favorite level in the game.
 

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The acronym useage in this thread has given me a headache.

I believe From developed Ninja Blade at around the same time as Demon's Souls so I don't see why they couldn't be working on two Souls games simultaneously.
 

Mik_Pad

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I'll just lay this out and that will be that.


I heard two sets of rumors, months ago. They had to do with the same 3 games.



Set 1:

Final Fantasy Versus was turning into FFXV, sony was trying to get it as an exclusive.

Kingdom Hearts 3 was coming, sony was trying to get it as an exclusive.

Miyazaki and a team from FROM Software were working on a new IP, a spiritual successor to Demon's Souls.

Online play going behind PS+



Set 2:

FF versus was turning into FFXV, sony was helping develop it, PS4 exclusive.

KH3 was coming, PS4 exclusive.

From making Demon's Souls 2.

Online play remaining free





So, obviously, Set 2 is a bit more than half wrong. Versus did become XV, but it wasn't developed by Sony and isn't exclusive. KH3 is coming, not PS4 exclusive. Online play isn't free.


So that leaves Demon's Souls 2. Given the difference between these two sources I'm going to personally believe the rumor in set one, not set two. But, that said, a name is a pretty easy thing to change. They could easily have begun as Demon's Souls 2 and changed the name to something new... or vice-versa, to give the game a higher profile when it's announced. But one thing seems certain in these dueling rumors... Miyazaki and a team at FROM are making something that is either Demon's Souls 2 or something that is very much like it.


I don't know any of this to be fact. I don't know anyone at FROM. I don't know anyone at Sony working with them. This is just me aggregating two separate rumors that have passed through my end of the world. Which leads me to my prior post. What we know for certain is that Miyazaki isn't working on Dark Souls 2. There is a team inside FROM with an unannounced project.... and Miyazaki and Sony have been tight for three generations now.
Well TGS will be very interesting then.
 

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I'll just lay this out and that will be that.


I heard two sets of rumors, months ago. They had to do with the same 3 games.



(stuff)

If we consider that you are legit (and you're OK in my book!), that's pretty much a confirmation.

Regardless of the inaccuracies on the second rumor, 2 different sources talked to you about the same 3 unannounced games months before E3.

I hope you are right. I want a next gen only, Demon/Dark Souls game. I don't even care if it's exclusive to the Xbone.

Make it next gen and let the guys from From do what they want.

And people talking shit about BruceLeeRoy need to understand that decisions about the PS4 and PSN pricing were probably made on the very last minute, maybe after MS disastrous E3 presentation. Kagari herself vouched for him when his legitimacy was called into question on the pre E3 Sony conference thread.

If MS did their home work with the Xbone since the unveiling and people were happy with it Sony would have a hard time forcing a PSN paywall on us. And considering how weak MS was, Sony's choice must have been easy.

That's why as much as I dislike MS current policies and attitude (I was getting a Xbone even with weaker specs before the E3 fiasco, but now I'll probably wait a couple of years), I just don't want then to implode and get out of the video game industry, or get relegated to a distant second place because the last thing us gamers should want or need is a Sony or MS monopoly on the VG industry (sorry Iwata fans, but Nintendo just don't count anymore to me, maybe next-next gen).
 

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I'll just lay this out and that will be that.


I heard two sets of rumors, months ago. They had to do with the same 3 games.



Set 1:

Final Fantasy Versus was turning into FFXV, sony was trying to get it as an exclusive.

Kingdom Hearts 3 was coming, sony was trying to get it as an exclusive.

Miyazaki and a team from FROM Software were working on a new IP, a spiritual successor to Demon's Souls.

Online play going behind PS+



Set 2:

FF versus was turning into FFXV, sony was helping develop it, PS4 exclusive.

KH3 was coming, PS4 exclusive.

From making Demon's Souls 2.

Online play remaining free





So, obviously, Set 2 is a bit more than half wrong. Versus did become XV, but it wasn't developed by Sony and isn't exclusive. KH3 is coming, not PS4 exclusive. Online play isn't free.


So that leaves Demon's Souls 2. Given the difference between these two sources I'm going to personally believe the rumor in set one, not set two. But, that said, a name is a pretty easy thing to change. They could easily have begun as Demon's Souls 2 and changed the name to something new... or vice-versa, to give the game a higher profile when it's announced. But one thing seems certain in these dueling rumors... Miyazaki and a team at FROM are making something that is either Demon's Souls 2 or something that is very much like it.


I don't know any of this to be fact. I don't know anyone at FROM. I don't know anyone at Sony working with them. This is just me aggregating two separate rumors that have passed through my end of the world. Which leads me to my prior post. What we know for certain is that Miyazaki isn't working on Dark Souls 2. There is a team inside FROM with an unannounced project.... and Miyazaki and Sony have been tight for three generations now.
it's good to get more evidence to add to the common sense of why it's happening :p

But seriously, is DS2 a TGS type of game? I honestly don't know. I was thinking maybe VGAs at the end of the year or E3 2014 megaton.
 

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it's good to get more evidence to add to the common sense of why it's happening :p

But seriously, is DS2 a TGS type of game? I honestly don't know. I was thinking maybe VGAs at the end of the year or E3 2014 megaton.
I'm sure Sony will have something big for their japanese audience, maybe announce it as a launch title in japan.
 

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Anyone know how reliable this retailer is?

I would say not much. I cant believe that many of you believe these random retail listings.

Soul Calibur V for the Wii U!
http://cdon.se/spel/soul_calibur_v-14565435

Nintendogs for the Wii U!
http://cdon.se/spel/nintendogs_kennel-14565410

It also seems that EA didnt stop their Wii U sport, big titles such as SSX and Fight Night are coming too
http://cdon.se/spel/ssx-14565419

Ridge Racer
http://cdon.se/spel/ridge_racer-14565422

People need to do some proper research before coming with baseless assumptions.
 

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Just like that time BruceLeeRoy confirmed PS4 online multiplayer is free, amirite?

http://67.227.255.239/forum/showpost.php?p=61991705&postcount=15045

Yeah that sucked. Up to the conf I was hearing some say it was behind the paywall and others saying Sony was keeping it free. :/

Oh, I'm not saying it's bullshit, because it's happening, but BruceLeeRoy is just coming in after actual legit posters and repeating their info as if he knows anything.

Or I may be completely wrong about him, but he's been wrong enough times that it's getting a little annoying.

What else was I wrong about?
 

PlanetSmasher

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storafötter;67500741 said:
I would say not much. I cant believe that many of you believe these random retail listings.

I don't think people believe the listings as much as they believe the insiders who have repeatedly mentioned that Demon's Souls 2 or something remarkably similar to it is being developed by Sony and FROM Software, and this retail listing is just reigniting those flames.
 

Hindle

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But Miyazaki isn't directing Dark Souls 2 because they (I think NAMCO) said that in order for the franchise to evolve it needed new blood. So, it wouldn't really make sense for them to take him off DS2 and then turn around and put him on Dark Souls 3.

My personal theory is when Miyazaki heard Namco wanted DS 2 for the current gen, he said no. Continuing on from that, after he said no I think Namco asked, can you make DS 3 for the next gen that's a huge overhaul and the true leap for the series instead? This is what I think he agreed on. New blood could also mean new hardware as well.

Another theory is the next gen Souls game started development the exact same time as Dark Souls 2
 

TimeEffect

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I'll just lay this out and that will be that.


I heard two sets of rumors, months ago. They had to do with the same 3 games.



Set 1:

Final Fantasy Versus was turning into FFXV, sony was trying to get it as an exclusive.

Kingdom Hearts 3 was coming, sony was trying to get it as an exclusive.

Miyazaki and a team from FROM Software were working on a new IP, a spiritual successor to Demon's Souls.

Online play going behind PS+



Set 2:

FF versus was turning into FFXV, sony was helping develop it, PS4 exclusive.

KH3 was coming, PS4 exclusive.

From making Demon's Souls 2.

Online play remaining free





So, obviously, Set 2 is a bit more than half wrong. Versus did become XV, but it wasn't developed by Sony and isn't exclusive. KH3 is coming, not PS4 exclusive. Online play isn't free.


So that leaves Demon's Souls 2. Given the difference between these two sources I'm going to personally believe the rumor in set one, not set two. But, that said, a name is a pretty easy thing to change. They could easily have begun as Demon's Souls 2 and changed the name to something new... or vice-versa, to give the game a higher profile when it's announced. But one thing seems certain in these dueling rumors... Miyazaki and a team at FROM are making something that is either Demon's Souls 2 or something that is very much like it.


I don't know any of this to be fact. I don't know anyone at FROM. I don't know anyone at Sony working with them. This is just me aggregating two separate rumors that have passed through my end of the world. Which leads me to my prior post. What we know for certain is that Miyazaki isn't working on Dark Souls 2. There is a team inside FROM with an unannounced project.... and Miyazaki and Sony have been tight for three generations now.

Hm..nothing in set one implies a spiritual successor will be PS4 exclusive, though, right?
 

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Can the gaming community welcome two Souls series into its hearts?

Can we also play Beyond: Two Souls?
 

PlanetSmasher

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My personal theory is when Miyazaki heard Namco wanted DS 2 for the current gen, he said no. Continuing on from that, I also think Namco said, can you make DS 3 for the next gen that's a huge overhaul and the true leap for the series instead? This is what I think he agreed on. New blood could also mean new hardware as well.

Another theory is the next gen Souls game started development the exact same time as Dark Souls 2

FROM Software is not Ubisoft. There is no way that's happening.

Hm..nothing in set one implies a spiritual successor will be PS4 exclusive, though, right?

Why would Miyazaki split off and do ANOTHER spiritual successor to Demon's Souls for the exact same multiplatform audience? It makes no sense - it would literally be redundant. The only reason it would exist is if it's a partnership with Sony.
 

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I just can't believe that FROM is developing Dark Souls 2 and Demon's Souls 2 at the same time. And I don't think Sony would try to develop Demon's Souls 2 somewhere else. So I don't think this means anything.

Edit - Maybe retailers have gotten wise to how GAF makes a fuss of intriguing listings like this, and they're doing it for attention now?

it isnt the same team developing it right?

or is the director just changed?
 

PlanetSmasher

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They have multiple teams though.

Yes, but working on two installments in the exact same series at the same time is foolish and stupid. Especially when the second game hasn't even come out yet, nor does it even have a release date. Namco is a shitty publisher, but they're not that shitty that they'd make FROM develop two games simultaneously. It'd be a waste of manpower and ideas.