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[jmga]

https://www.khronos.org/conformance/adopters/conformant-products#vulkan

https://www.khronos.org/conformance/adopters/conformant-products#opengl

Also OpenGL ES

https://www.khronos.org/conformance/adopters/conformant-products#opengles

More info.

http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nintendo-Switch-Vulkan-Conform

 

[James Scott]

Is it called the Nintendo OS or is that just what they call an OS for any system? (Playstation OS, Xbox OS, etc?)
Missed opportunity with NintendOS if so.

 

[sfried]

Good find!

 

[JonnyDBrit]

Should hopefully let devs squeeze a little extra out of the system, which they'll need given the possible specs.

 

[Toadthemushroom]

OS: NintendoOS

 

[Vashetti]

Is it called the Nintendo OS or is that just what they call an OS for any system? (Playstation OS, Xbox OS, etc?)
Missed opportunity with NintendOS if so.

Perhaps wanted to avoid Apple comparisons, e.g. iOS, macOS, etc.

 

[Spyder_Monkey]

NintendOS sounds stupid.

 

[Soapbox Killer]

What does this mean for me, the consumer?

(said that in Homer's voice)

 

[KingBroly]

OS: NintendoOS

Sounds like a Cereal

Nintendo 'OS

 

[nubbe]

Great, vulkan reaches all platforms but Xbone and Apple 🎉

Pretty sure I read PS4 would support vulkan.

 

[rambis]

What does this mean for me, the consumer?

Not much.


Would think this would be a given though

 

[Ooccoo]

What does this mean for me, the consumer?

not much

 

[novabolt]

I need that DX12 supported Switch just so I can laugh at people.

 

[Stopdoor]

Perhaps wanted to avoid Apple comparisons, e.g. iOS, macOS, etc.

Well, they've never seemed shy about that sort of obvious comparison before: see the DSi.

 

[hardcastlemccormick]

What does this mean for me, the consumer?

(said that in Homer's voice)

Almost nothing. Porting jobs will be moderately easier I guess.

 

[sfried]

What does this mean for me, the consumer?

It means it's easier to code for "to the metal" (unlike the Wii U, which did not have great APIs/tools during launch).

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Good. Vulkan needs to become the standard going forward.

 

[KojiKnight]

Not much.


Would think this would be a given though

Not really, most game consoles either don't support OpenGL, or greatly discourage it's use (I think 3DS offered minimal support for OpenGL ES, and that's about it)

 

[Javier]

So I take this is a good thing?

 

[Leafhopper]

It means it's easier to code for "to the metal" (unlike the Wii U, which did not have great APIs/tools during launch).

He said the consumer.

Also "to the metal" lol.

 

[Trace]

So I take this is a good thing?

Should allow for easier development.

 

[LordRaptor]

Not really, most game consoles either don't support OpenGL, or greatly discourage it's use (I think 3DS offered minimal support for OpenGL ES, and that's about it)

Uhhhh... no?
Basically everyone on the planet not using DirectX which is MS exclusive is using OpenGL in some form.

 

[guek]

gaf's response after the DF article:

 

[novabolt]

What does this mean for me, the consumer?

(said that in Homer's voice)

DX12 is better.

 

[jmga]

I wonder if NVN API is just a superset of Vulkan and if they could expose the same functionality via Vulkan extensions on Tegra devices and/or desktop GPUs.

 

[rje]

Uhhhh... no?
Basically everyone on the planet not using DirectX which is MS exclusive is using OpenGL in some form.

This isn't true on consoles. Console developers will often offer an opengl like wrapper but many games don't use it because of performance issues.

 

[The Hermit]

DX12 is better.

Aren't they essentially the same?

 

[Neptonic]

DX12 is better.

Isn't Vulcan considered better?

 

[sfried]

DX12 is better.

Does DX12 even work? Or rather, work better for anyhting other than AMD?

I do know at least Vulkan doesn't have issues with frame pacing like DX12 does. Also also show improvements on both AMD and Nvidia.

 

[LordRaptor]

This isn't true on consoles. Console developers will often offer an opengl like wrapper but many games don't use it because of performance issues.

Do you mean writing software renderers? In which case, sure, I doubt many people are doing that on console.

Does DX12 even work?

No console except the X1 is using DX12

 

[novabolt]

Aren't they essentially the same?

Would a $110 sears gift card change your mind?

Isn't Vulcan considered better?

I remember reading that it was true or DX12 just edges it out.

Does DX12 even work? Or rather, work better for anyhting other than AMD?

I do know at least Vulkan doesn't have issues with frame pacing like DX12 does. Also also show improvements on both AMD and Nvidia.

What frame pacing you talking about? *Sips Sfried a $110 Starbucks gift-card*

 

[LordOfChaos]

Cool. I guess NVN being the low level Vulkan-like API, OpenGL still being there for the hand holding API (meaning that non-condescendingly, sometimes low level APIs are enough rope for a smaller studio to hang themselves with)

 

[rje]

Do you mean writing software renderers? In which case, sure, I doubt many people are doing that on console.



No console except the X1 is using DX12

No, I mean that the various consoles all have native graphics apis that are neither DX12 nor Opengl, but are similar in spirit to the low overhead systems you find in dx12/vulkan. e.g. on PS4 it's called GNM and GNMX.

 

[M3d10n]

Cool. I guess NVN being the low level Vulkan-like API, OpenGL still being there for the hand holding API (meaning that non-condescendingly, sometimes low level APIs are enough rope for a smaller studio to hang themselves with)

Since NVidia is handling the graphics libraries, I expect all APIs to offer good performance (no "gotcha" situations like using OpenGL on the PS3), so they are available mostly for convenience.

 

[DooMAGE]

DX12 is better.

lol .. don't be naive.
There is less overhead with Vulkan, you need to see DOOM 2016 running with Vulkan. amazing stuff.

 

[LordOfChaos]

Since NVidia is handling the graphics libraries, I expect all APIs to offer good performance (no "gotcha" situations like using OpenGL on the PS3), so they are available mostly for convenience.

If I'm being picky OpenGL ES 1.0 with Cg for shaders != regular OpenGL, was commonly called 'PSGL', with an appearance of OpenGL being available through an even slower wrapper. but yeah, it was vastly slower than LibGCM, and LibGCM was hard to learn, hence PS3s early stumbles.

 

[Durante]

DX12 is better.

Not really.

Even if you disregard the fact that DX12 only runs on a tiny minority of platforms, I can't think of anything it does better than Vulkan even on those.

 

[blu]

As I mentioned in the other thread, this is quite important. Vulkan for actual big cross-platform titles, and GL and GLES for small-shop indies (think appstore calibre).

 

[AcceptableGhost]

Wow this is great news. Hopefully the next Playstation system supports straight up Vulkan and OpenGL as well (with good performance).

 

[Gestault]

lol .. don't be naive.
There is less overhead with Vulkan, you need to see DOOM 2016 running with Vulkan. amazing stuff.

Is there a noticeable difference? I've been running the Steam release on a 1070 with the standard renderer and didn't know there was a reason one way or the other. The Nvidia Experience flags the Vulcan launcher as a separate title.

 

[Vic]

Nintendo has been a member Khronos consortium for a while, yet the Switch supporting Vulkan and OpenGL is a nice surprise. Didn't excepted it to happen for some reason.

 

[FPS murderer]

Wow this is great news. Hopefully the next Playstation system supports straight up Vulkan and OpenGL as well (with good performance).

What for? They already had coding to the metal libraries on the PS4 for a long while before Vulkan, DX12 or Mantle for that matter even got to PC's.

 

[undu]

Is it called the Nintendo OS or is that just what they call an OS for any system? (Playstation OS, Xbox OS, etc?)
Missed opportunity with NintendOS if so.

Maybe there's a reason they don't want to call it NintendOS.

 

[Skinpop]

What for? They already had coding to the metal libraries on the PS4 for a long while before Vulkan, DX12 or Mantle for that matter even got to PC's.

yup, and the native apis have a reputation for being really, really good.

 

[AcceptableGhost]

What for? They already had coding to the metal libraries on the PS4 for a long while before Vulkan, DX12 or Mantle for that matter even got to PC's.

You see no value in a single solid open source rendering API that performs well across many different sets of hardware? Convenience matters.

 

[Twenty7KVN]

gaf's response after the DF article:

Lmao

 

[BigEmil]

Should allow for easier third party porting to switch

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Guaranteed to be a small thread.

 

[FPS murderer]

You see no value in a single solid open source rendering API that performs well across many different sets of hardware? Convenience matters.

Never gonna happen, aka, Microsoft and DX12.

Besides the PS libraries are already derivative of OpenGL/Es if you want that, not that difficult to code for if you're already doing OpenGL/Vulkan.

 

[Oregano]

Should allow for easier third party porting to switch

It won't matter much when the hardware is so much less powerful. It'll help if they're pursuing mobile developers I guess...