Switzerland ain't Sweden: Muslim couple are denied Swiss citizenship because they refuse to shake hands with members of the opposite sex

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Good? this happened a while ago in some other euro country and fuck if I wasn't glad for eurohubs to start coming up with reasons not to accept migrants. Germany's pop grew by roughly 2 % from migrant EU sanctions alone last year, like wtf. Love their reasoning too, "lack of respect for gender equality" well that pretty much puts a big hand in the face of those who would like to call this anti progressive. Hats off switzerland, and while were at it, Poland as well for refusing EU ridiculous sanctions.
 
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How is it a personal freedom issue? Who's personal freedom is being attacked? No-one is forcing you to do anything.

If you want someone to touch your dick, but they don't, is your personal freedom being attacked? Or are they just not touching your dick because they don't want to?

I'll repeat, this is stupid.

You make no sense. No one is segregating sexes in any western nation by law.
 

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You make no sense. No one is segregating sexes in any western nation by law.
I'm actually struggling to understand you. Again, are they forcing you to do something? Are they forcing you to segregate sexes in your own land? No. It's a personal choice they make to not do something. It's not harmful in any way.

What's the problem?
 

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I don't get why so many lefties go to bat for Islam, an ulltra-conservative bronze age death cult that ought to be against everything they believe in. I mean, you have a guy in here saying that homosexuality is not normal and that if you commit a homosexual act, under Islam that's some kind of "crime", and despite this being the majority view in Islam, lefties STILL defend this utter fucking obviously made up and plagiarised horse dong of a religion.
Its this weird disconnect that comes with intersectonalty. First somehow 1.5 billion Muslims have become an oppressed minority. Also even though Muslims are selling slaves today the black community seems to have embraced them. Leftist are anti-Israel so Muslims will be embraced by the left. Somehow feminists have been coopted by Muslims as well due to intersectionality.

If you ever read the news you might notice something, that Muslims, or Islam is never refered to as Right or far right. I don't think I have ever read that ISIS is right wing or far right wing. Meanwhile Trump is far right, any political party in Europe is right/far right. Bibi/Israel is right/far right. Yet Islam is ultra conservative and ISIS/Hamas and those types are supremacist fascist groups. Yet the media will never tell you that. Even in Europe anti semetic attacks done by Muslims isn't considered part of right wing anti semetisim. Why are Islamic extremists considered leftist? There is nothing left or progressive about Islamist.
 

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Its this weird disconnect that comes with intersectonalty. First somehow 1.5 billion Muslims have become an oppressed minority. Also even though Muslims are selling slaves today the black community seems to have embraced them. Leftist are anti-Israel so Muslims will be embraced by the left. Somehow feminists have been coopted by Muslims as well due to intersectionality.

If you ever read the news you might notice something, that Muslims, or Islam is never refered to as Right or far right. I don't think I have ever read that ISIS is right wing or far right wing. Meanwhile Trump is far right, any political party in Europe is right/far right. Bibi/Israel is right/far right. Yet Islam is ultra conservative and ISIS/Hamas and those types are supremacist fascist groups. Yet the media will never tell you that. Even in Europe anti semetic attacks done by Muslims isn't considered part of right wing anti semetisim. Why are Islamic extremists considered leftist? There is nothing left or progressive about Islamist.
It is almost like there is a larger game at play here. :pie_thinking:
 

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Its this weird disconnect that comes with intersectonalty. First somehow 1.5 billion Muslims have become an oppressed minority. Also even though Muslims are selling slaves today the black community seems to have embraced them. Leftist are anti-Israel so Muslims will be embraced by the left. Somehow feminists have been coopted by Muslims as well due to intersectionality.

If you ever read the news you might notice something, that Muslims, or Islam is never refered to as Right or far right. I don't think I have ever read that ISIS is right wing or far right wing. Meanwhile Trump is far right, any political party in Europe is right/far right. Bibi/Israel is right/far right. Yet Islam is ultra conservative and ISIS/Hamas and those types are supremacist fascist groups. Yet the media will never tell you that. Even in Europe anti semetic attacks done by Muslims isn't considered part of right wing anti semetisim. Why are Islamic extremists considered leftist? There is nothing left or progressive about Islamist.
Yes, Islam is an extreme right ideology and is only voting for leftist candidates because it suits their agenda of propagation for now. Let's not forget that muslim nations that weren't under colonial rule supported Hitler, that should tell you all you need to know:
Wikipedia said:
The relationship between Nazi Germany (1933–1945) and the leadership of the Arab world encompassed contempt, propaganda, collaboration and in some instances emulation. Cooperative political and military relationships were founded on shared hostilities toward common enemies, such as British and French imperialism and colonialism, communism, and Zionism. Another key foundation of this collaboration was the anti-semitism of the Nazis, which was admired by some Arab and Muslim leaders, most notably Hajj Amin al-Husayni. In public and private, Hitler and Himmler made warm statements about Islam as a religion and political ideology, describing it as a more disciplined, militaristic, political, and practical form of religion than Christianity, and commending what they perceived to be Muhammad's skill in politics and military leadership.
 

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Yes, Islam is an extreme right ideology and is only voting for leftist candidates because it suits their agenda of propagation for now. Let's not forget that muslim nations that weren't under colonial rule supported Hitler, that should tell you all you need to know:
100% agree. Just wondering why you never see the media refer to Islamic extremist groups as "right wing". Arab/Muslim governments are never called "right wing". Read a news paper and EU governments, Trump, Israel always get the label right wing. But Saudi, Qatar, Palestinian Authority, Syria, ISIS, Hamas are never qualified as right wing.

Why is the MSM shying away from using that qualifier for Muslims but has no problem throwing it around to describe anyone else?
 

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100% agree. Just wondering why you never see the media refer to Islamic extremist groups as "right wing". Arab/Muslim governments are never called "right wing". Read a news paper and EU governments, Trump, Israel always get the label right wing. But Saudi, Qatar, Palestinian Authority, Syria, ISIS, Hamas are never qualified as right wing.

Why is the MSM shying away from using that qualifier for Muslims but has no problem throwing it around to describe anyone else?
I find it hilarious now that Israel is considered "right wing", but when Obama was in bed with them like every sitting president before him, what were they then?

It's all propaganda at this point.
 
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I find it hilarious now that Israel is considered "right wing", but when Obama was in bed with them like every sitting president before him, what were they then?

It's all propaganda at this point.
During Obama they were right wing, the media made sure we knew that Bibi was right. Problem is the media doesn't understand Israel politics. Likud is certainly not left, but I would call Bibi a centerist or center right. Some of the parties in his coalition I would call right.

Its not like Left Wing governments haven't done their own evils. Mao and Stalin were the prototypical left wing socialists and look how many they killed and how many ruined lives they left behind. Its just a way for the media to push its narrative so whoever they disagree with is "right wing". This way people will always associate any right ideas as evil and all left ideas as good.
 

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Leviticus 20:13
"'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

The bible isn't a big fan of homosexual acts either.
Wait.... then "docking" is totally OK with the bible? lol :D
 

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I First somehow 1.5 billion Muslims have become an oppressed minority. Also even though Muslims are selling slaves today the black community
Opressors can't also be the oppressed at the same time? There can be no stability that so they will be oppressed while at the same time oppressing others. The lack of stability that comes dictators, terrorists, or foreign countries who fund others militaries in the region(read about the newest article about Yemenese schoolbus for example). No to mention poverty, lack of education and freedom. Or rising temperatures that could make it unsuitable for all life in the area - this could be the next refugee crisis. But how do solve problems with the very region that hates us?
 
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Opressors can't also be the oppressed at the same time? There can be no stability that so they will be oppressed while at the same time oppressing others. The lack of stability that comes dictators, terrorists, or foreign countries who fund others militaries in the region(read about the newest article about Yemenese schoolbus for example). No to mention poverty, lack of education and freedom. Or rising temperatures that could make it unsuitable for all life in the area - this could be the next refugee crisis. But how do solve problems with the very region that hates us?
Their oppressed by their own. And the point is that 1.5 billion people are not a minority group.

Its nearly impossible to solve any problems there. Every good deed is meet with a slap to the face. Regardless of the reason for getting rid of Sadam, getting rid of an evil opressive dictator was only meet with resistance and a quagmire for the US. If US got involved in Syria it would be the same thing. Any intervention in the area just leads to radical Islamist groups using it as recruiting tool to fight the infidel.
 

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Their oppressed by their own. And the point is that 1.5 billion people are not a minority group.

Its nearly impossible to solve any problems there. Every good deed is meet with a slap to the face. Regardless of the reason for getting rid of Sadam, getting rid of an evil opressive dictator was only meet with resistance and a quagmire for the US. If US got involved in Syria it would be the same thing. Any intervention in the area just leads to radical Islamist groups using it as recruiting tool to fight the infidel.
That is why I meant when I said the oppressed are also the oppressors.

And you(not you I mean) don't need to intervene but at the very other ways to work them. It is why I said in another thread that a US leader should try science diplomacy as one of the ways work with another country like a middle eastern country.
wikipedia example of a US president using science diplomacy: John F. Kennedy established a science and technology cooperation agreement with Japan in 1961 following appeals to repair the “broken dialogue” between the two countries’ intellectual communities after World War II. That agreement helped round out a tenuous relationship at the time rooted only in security concerns.
 
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That is why I meant when I said the oppressed are also the oppressors.

And you(not you I mean) don't need to intervene but at the very other ways to work them. It is why I said in another thread that a US leader should try science diplomacy as one of the ways work with another country like a middle eastern country.
wikipedia example of a US president using science diplomacy: John F. Kennedy established a science and technology cooperation agreement with Japan in 1961 following appeals to repair the “broken dialogue” between the two countries’ intellectual communities after World War II. That agreement helped round out a tenuous relationship at the time rooted only in security concerns.
I just don't see that working. Its good to try but political islam is unfortunatly too backwards IMO. And in the end Islamist will try to frame any type of foreign help as "occupation" that needs to be resisted.

Do you think that Saudi/Qatar/UAE would do anything with this type of cooperation? US already sells millions of weapons (which has huge amount of tech) and open relations with Saudi yet the country is still a backwards Islamic "paradise".

Trying to Westernize these countries is what has been going on for decades. Its something that has to come from within, where the people decide that they want democracy and progressive societies. But lately whenever there is any type of election Islamist always win. Its the peoples choice over there actually.

It would be great if we gave them cokes, nike's and levi jean's and then they would become like Germany or Canada or Australia, but this isn't the USSR .
 
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Their oppressed by their own. And the point is that 1.5 billion people are not a minority group.

Its nearly impossible to solve any problems there. Every good deed is meet with a slap to the face. Regardless of the reason for getting rid of Sadam, getting rid of an evil opressive dictator was only meet with resistance and a quagmire for the US. If US got involved in Syria it would be the same thing. Any intervention in the area just leads to radical Islamist groups using it as recruiting tool to fight the infidel.
Indeed.

At one of my former jobs we provided continued education for professional engineers in our state. Since we were working out of a coop at an international university that housed a lot of Iraqi student scientists we were selected to help the Iraqi locals get up to speed.

See most of the engineers were women and not allowed to be engineers during the 80s or 90s. When Sodam was removed there was a lot of people who stepped up to modernize the country and sought council.

We’d send people to the green zone to help train them on aggregates for their climate and new tech to shape their roads. We were going to see a lot of change.

And then the power vacuum hit Iraq and it turned into a new type of trouble and we then started to send just our books and video materials.

It is a shame too. I met a host of engineers that were mostly Women who flew over and were treated like Rockstars by our government (who assigned them secret service-like security details) and their own budding government. They wouldn’t shake our hands either but I didn’t think much of it at the time. They did tell us stories about their enthusiasm during college to make their country modern and the sadness of being relegated to lesser positions.

It is a shame that Islam has a political element to it. I think people can have varying levels of beliefs within the faith aspect but there is a negative feedback loop inherent in Islamic societies that props up dogma far more than it should and has kept billions in the dark ages.
 
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It's simple you adjust to the rules of the host country you try to get into or you wont get into it. U think you have rights to do whatever brainwashed crap you learned in your own country that you try to flee from in another country isn't a right.

The fact that most western country's fail to realize that they have to take a more aggressive stance on this matter is just mind boggling and creates massive issue's for later generations.

All the whining about Christianity and Catholics has zero to no importance, as its the religion of the country itself.

And all the try hards here that think that every religion is awful, thanks too the western religions you are actually sitting here on your behind playing video games. Because its the only religion besides buddism that actually moves forwards with times and advances. I grow up in Catholic school that was riddled with science as example.

There is a reason why these clowns that don't shake hands something that is seen as disrespectful in a western country, flee towards those country's and not another arab country which there are plenty off.

The fact that she doesn't shake hands = huge red flag.
 
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I said it once and i say it again, where do you even begin with the lefts pretended integration when a new home in one of the safest and richest places isnt even worth a handshake.
It literally cant work, all that has happened and is going to happen is that all non integrated people get put in one place that overtime becomes a ignorant shithole where not even ambulances can enter without police protection,
it becomes a worthless ghetto and they also become a hotbed for breeding future terrorist there are plenty examples in Europe already that are directly the product of the refugee crisis.
And this wont go away not for our generation and not for the next in fact it will almost certainly just get worse, let that sink in... the mistakes the European union just a handful of years forced on everyone will haunt your children too and the entire next generation. Merkel, junker, verhofstad, schulz and all the other clowns are directly responsible for that, no question about it and no excuse that can lessen what they have done.
 
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Conflicted about this.

It's a hand shake, and that ain't a big deal, but this shows a failure to show that you want to integrate into a different culture, failure to look at humans of the opposite sex as equals, failure to distance oneself from separation between church and state, which is a cornerstone central European representative democracies.

When you go to another country for immigration, it is expected that you'll try to assimilate. Failure to integrate causes society wide problems. It creates rifts, tribalism, and potential for conflicts.
There is nothing wrong with muslims in european countries who want to learn the language, and mingle and be part of society like the natives. But we've seen the disasterous results of governments not making sure immigrants integrated. With the mass immigration of the 60s and 70s politicians in these homogenised countries didn't consider that they'd have to do a lot more to make sure these immigrants would be properly integrated. And that has caused so many problems and a ethnic underclass of third and fourth generation immigrants who are disproportionally disadvantaged by this lack of foursight.
 

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From my experience, this is purely a personal choice. I've seen one guy get examined by a nurse, then explaining to the nurse that his brother doesn't let women touch him. Asked what the difference was, he just shrugged.
 

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I watched his interview on Channel 4 News, I'd take his account of the story over the DailyMail's.

And do you support the bakery in discriminating against gay couples?
He is contradicted by his own Morning Star article and has changed his story multiple times now as more facts have come to light.

On all honesty, not surprised you feel the need to defend an anti-Semite, which is what he clearly is.
 

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He is contradicted by his own Morning Star article and has changed his story multiple times now as more facts have come to light.

On all honesty, not surprised you feel the need to defend an anti-Semite, which is what he clearly is.
He is an anti-semite because he seeks justice for palestine?
 

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Not looking good for Corbyn.

British Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, according to an exclusive report by the British daily The Telegraph published Sunday evening, attended a conference in Qatar in 2012 alongside senior Hamas figures who were responsible for the deaths of hundreds of Israelis.

At the conference, Corbyn hosted a panel discussion which was attended by several senior Hamas members, among them Husam Badran, who was the leader of Hamas's military wing in the northern West Bank and the orchestrator of some of the most deadly suicide bombings of the Second Intifada, for which he received a 17-year sentence.
Labour party leader Jeremy Corbyn accepted up to £20,000 (about $27,000) for appearances on the Iranian state broadcast network Press TV — a channel that was banned in the UK for its part in filming the detention and torture of an Iranian journalist.
Leader of the UK Labour Party Jeremy Corbyn pedaled a conspiracy theory in 2012 about what he implied was an Israeli false-flag operation in the Sinai Peninsula against the Egyptian army, during an interview with Iranian propaganda outlet Press TV.

Footage of the interview, one of several Corbyn did with Press TV, emerged in the UK media over the weekend amid the ongoing row over the Labour Party’s adoption of new antisemitism guidelines that have been strongly criticized for omitting key clauses of a widely accepted international definition.

During the interview with the agitprop Iranian channel on August 12, 2012, Corbyn was asked about his thoughts on the August 5 attack by Islamic jihadists in the Sinai peninsula on an Egyptian army base, in which 16 Egyptian soldiers were killed while sitting down to their Iftar meal to break the daily Ramadan fast, and the subsequent Egyptian military response.

Without any prompting about possible Israeli involvement or conspiracy theories, Corbyn said that Israel would have an interest in increased violence in the Sinai and the destabilization of the region.
Not Corbyn but from the UK on BBC TWO, Victoria Derbyshire trying to defend Corbyn

Derbyshire: “Can we talk about your politics? […] Let’s talk about your politics because there will be some who will accuse you of saying this simply for political motivations because you’re not Labour supporters. You’re members of the UK Zionist party which was relaunched this year.”


Blumenthal: “Hold on, hold on. What is the UK Zionist party? I’m sorry to interrupt you but you’re saying that I’m a member of a UK Zionist party?”


Derbyshire: “Sorry – that was the information I was given. That’s obviously inaccurate.”
There isn't a UK Zionist party BTW.
 

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hate to pile on Corbyn but

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/middle-east/182208-180820-exclusive-jeremy-corbyn-s-secret-trip-to-israel-to-meet-hamas

Jeremy Corbyn visited Israel and the West Bank in November 2010 with an Islamist lobby group to meet senior Hamas officials, and failed to declare the funding for the trip in violation of parliamentary rules, i24NEWS can reveal.

The Labour leader, then a backbencher, made the trip from 5-9 November 2010 as part of a delegation with Islamist lobby group Middle East Monitor (MEMO) and met two groups of Hamas parliamentarians.

But there is no record of Corbyn’s visit to Israel in the British Parliament’s Register of Members’ Financial Interests, even though a colleague on the trip declared that the it cost above the threshold required for MPs to report gifts.

Rules at the time required MPs to declare any gifts above £660 ($840). Corbyn's fellow Labour MP Andrew Slaughter declared the total cost of flights and accommodation for the same trip as £927, which he said was paid for by Friends of Al-Aqsa and Middle East Monitor.

MEMO has since deleted evidence of Corbyn’s visit from the internet, but i24NEWS obtained its original report. The document refers to Israel as “the Zionist state” and accuses it of “apartheid”, charging it with performing “ethnic cleansing” in Jerusalem and planning “a forced mass Palestinian expulsion from the area”. It also calls for international pressure on Israel, which it says could include Boycotts, Divestments, and Sanctions (BDS).
Not a good look. Not sure if Hamas is a terrorist group in the UK, but if it is, meeting with Hamas and not declaring it seems like a big no no.

Priti Patel faced consequences because she visited a hospital helping Syrians.

Hmm whats worse visiting a hospital for injured people, or attending a meeting with Hamas terrorists. For the UK most likely the hospital.
 

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hate to pile on Corbyn but

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/middle-east/182208-180820-exclusive-jeremy-corbyn-s-secret-trip-to-israel-to-meet-hamas



Not a good look. Not sure if Hamas is a terrorist group in the UK, but if it is, meeting with Hamas and not declaring it seems like a big no no.

Priti Patel faced consequences because she visited a hospital helping Syrians.

Hmm whats worse visiting a hospital for injured people, or attending a meeting with Hamas terrorists. For the UK most likely the hospital.
Labour has had a problem with antisemitism for a while, but no one seems to care so...meh
 

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I'm actually struggling to understand you. Again, are they forcing you to do something? Are they forcing you to segregate sexes in your own land? No. It's a personal choice they make to not do something. It's not harmful in any way.

What's the problem?
I dunno. You make no sense to me.