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Ten Reasons why 2D Games should be revisited on Next Gen Hardware.
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Fail.
Play SotN and Tomba then come back.
[Clark Gable]
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Treasure are the only people who can do a good 2D game this gen. EVERYONE ELSE WOULD FAIL.
AltogetherAndrews
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Because you can make damned pretty things in 2d
Jive Turkey
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You haven't seen Super Paper Mario or Castle Crashers yet have you?[Clark Gable] said:
[Clark Gable]
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Jive Turkey said:
No, but than again I don't like Mario games and I also didn't like AlienH.
hamdammage
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Except for its Amerian cover art!
Anyway, Astal has these painted looking backgrounds which I just didn't like very much, especially considering the low resolution of the game. Metal Slug had what looked to be hand-pixelled backgrounds that just seemed so clean and sharp.
That's one thing I really miss is pixelled art, even in 2d games. Just look at the DS Castlevanias versus Symphony of the Night or the GBA games. The DS ones are full of pre-rendered or downscaled art that just doesn't look as good.
AltogetherAndrews
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btrboyev said:
Movement and action takes place in 2 dimensions, doesn't it?
DaCocoBrova
Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
AltogetherAndrews said:
Regardless, that's really not what the OP was getting at.
rollingstart
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btrboyev said:
i dont know, it looks like its only left and right, when you see them jumping into objects in the background, it is similar to how it is in Castlevania and 2D Mario games, thats what it looked like to me atleast.
Beer Monkey
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Devs like Telltale are convinced that it would cost more to make their adventure games in 2D, somebody convince them otherwise.
AltogetherAndrews
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btrboyev said:
Really, where? All I've seen has been strictly 2d movement.
hamdammage
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I believe you cantrol it using strictly 2d movement but the game automatically moves you up and down the Z-axis to get you to land in a platform or something, or when you have more than 1 character in the same spot. A pretty impressive feat.
Doesn't matter as I think the OP was just talking about the specific graphics technique of using sprites to represent graphics, or rather, polygons hiding as sprites. None of these next-gen systems have actual sprite hardware like say the GBA or DS.
speculawyer
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Rejoice! MSFT's XBLA, Sony's PSN, and N's VC have given 2D gaming a new lease on life.
Build it and they will come.
Build it and they will come.
Does traditional paint-on-a-cel (or computer paint programs, or whatever they're doing nowadays) animation really cost as much as everyone says it does?Fight for Freeform said:
I mean, you get one skilled lead animator (who has his own distinct style, but isn't a "concept artist" like Ayami Kojima), have him draw a character in a looping animation, and hire highschool students on summer vacation to work as "in-betweeners" to fill in the rest of the 24 frames-per-second. Repeat for some more character animations. Make some monsters and give them some animations. You can even hire a second team for the monsters. Have someone paint a drop-dead gorgeous background.
Scan in the frames (leaving their backgrounds naturally transparent), and you've got a living interactive cartoon that can work at any resolution (although more is always better). No need to mess around with the pixel art of games like Castlevania. Add special effects as desired.
I don't even see the need to outsource the animation. There's just so little of it. And you'd lose too much creative control by outsourcing it. You have to at least draw something a FEW times before you ask foreigners to replicate it. "Here's what he looks like walking. Here's what he looks like jumping. Here's what he looks like ducking." And once you've done that with a videogame, you're basically done. Unless you want to outsource the in-betweeners. It's not like the Simpsons where you have to draw Homer and the gang differently 24 times per-second times 60 seconds times 20 minutes times 400 episodes. It can all be done in America or Japan, or wherever the game originates. And there's apparently a lot of talent going to waste in those areas. I'd love to see videogames show what they can do, but everyone in the videogame industry seems to be hung up on finding tricks and routines to try and make it look like they can do the jobs of animators.
And this is of course doesn't go into the unending quest for more detail and realism when dealing with polygons.
seattle6418
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KLONOA 3
make it happen namco!
there´s a lotof games that i would like to see in 2d, such as sonic, megaman and streets of rage. real sequels, niot just side stories to put on handhelds.
let´s see if they can make some good use of PSN and live arcade
make it happen namco!
there´s a lotof games that i would like to see in 2d, such as sonic, megaman and streets of rage. real sequels, niot just side stories to put on handhelds.
let´s see if they can make some good use of PSN and live arcade
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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I would love a Hi-rez SRPG on my 360 that looks as good as the Disgaea cover art.
Have Mistwalker do the game design, and outsource the rest to India or China.
Have Mistwalker do the game design, and outsource the rest to India or China.
hamdammage
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It probably doesn't cost much more than 3d art and animation, but when only a small fraction of gamers buy your game compared to more mainstream 3d stuff, does it matter? The math just doesn't add up.
I also think it's easier to get away with half-assed 3d artwork. Just get some Poser models, photograph some 'real world' textures, and you're practically there. No artistic talent needed. I bet a good chunk of video game 3d artists can't even draw. They just know how to use Maya or something. Bad 2d art, on the other hand, is instantly recognizable.
I also think you're underestimating the time it takes to do 2d animation. Just scanning in a drawing to be used in an animation takes a good chunk of time. You have to clean it up, correct colors, reposition it to match the other frames, mask out edges...
hamdammage
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Ahh the beauty of pixelled sprites. I can't see how you can get sprites that big and clean without hand pixelling it. Now if Guilty Gear animated as well as Street Fighter 3, I'd be in 2d gaming heaven.
