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TENET Bombs in the US (Only Made $12 Million) Hollywood in Panic

sol_bad

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Never heard of Wolf Warrior but googled it. The first movie was $90 million and the sequel about $900 million. WTF?

Unless you're in Asia, most people (I'm an example) has never heard of these big Chinese movies.

With $$$$ like that, Hollywood is sure itching to get some of that action. Expect more Chinese influence movies. That Great Wall movie a few years ago is an example.
I had never heard of it either, I was just trying to look for the biggest box office Asian films in the west and found that film. IMO, if Hollywood dies, China would be one of the only countries that could fully sustain it's theatre system. India as well and then maybe the UK is a second maybe as their movie industry seems to strive, just not sure if it strives enough to keep theatres alive.

Anyway, worldwide Tenet has made over 200 million. Certainly not great but it's on it's way to recuperating it's budget.

Honestly I give zero fucks about COVID. I do give a fuck about watching good films and honestly not many are made these days (only Dune and Top Gun interest me among upcoming films). So that leaves me with a choice:

- watch some shit pandering to China/wokeness and pay a fortune
- watch one of the hundreds of classic films in my collection from the 30s to the 90s and have a guaranteed good time watching it on my huge TV.

No brainer.
I hope you aren't suggesting that Tenet is woke crap just because it has a black main actor.
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I had never heard of it either, I was just trying to look for the biggest box office Asian films in the west and found that film. IMO, if Hollywood dies, China would be one of the only countries that could fully sustain it's theatre system. India as well and then maybe the UK is a second maybe as their movie industry seems to strive, just not sure if it strives enough to keep theatres alive.

Anyway, worldwide Tenet has made over 200 million. Certainly not great but it's on it's way to recuperating it's budget.



I hope you aren't suggesting that Tenet is woke crap just because it has a black main actor.
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Honestly no idea if it’s woke, who knows, but trailers didn’t appeal to me.

I enjoy plenty of films with black or female leads and they’re not woke. Consider any of Eddie Murphy’s 80s work, consider the Rocky movies where Creed was if not lead at least significant, consider Independence Day, Demolition Man, and Lethal Weapon, any film with Morgan Freeman or Samuel L Jackson in them (guarantees of quality), consider Alien, Terminator, Silence Of The Lambs for brilliant female characters. Don’t ever fucking try to imply that shit again.
 
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Honestly no idea if it’s woke, who knows, but trailers didn’t appeal to me.

I enjoy plenty of films with black or female leads and they’re not woke. Consider any of Eddie Murphy’s 80s work, consider the Rocky movies where Creed was if not lead at least significant, consider Independence Day, Demolition Man, and Lethal Weapon, any film with Morgan Freeman or Samuel L Jackson in them (guarantees of quality), consider Alien, Terminator, Silence Of The Lambs for brilliant female characters. Don’t ever fucking try to imply that shit again.
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You're one to talk about implying shit.
This thread is about Tenet and box office figures. Yet you're in here talking about "woke shit" for no reason.
And congrats on naming 3 of cinemas most famous movies, one famous black actor and a secondary character to prove a point. All movies you saw as a kid before you had your current world view on things.
 

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You're one to talk about implying shit.
This thread is about Tenet and box office figures. Yet you're in here talking about "woke shit" for no reason.
And congrats on naming 3 of cinemas most famous movies, one famous black actor and a secondary character to prove a point. All movies you saw as a kid before you had your current world view on things.
So fresh from defending paedos you come to shit up this thread. Let’s consider the facts.

In this thread people have been discussing a range of topics around going to the cinema including reasons why they do or don’t want to go. I joined that part of the chat.

You then waded in and called me racist, assuming that I don’t like films because they feature a black person. I then list some films I like and you stilll conclude I’m racist because the films are old, ignoring my post earlier about my preference in general for older films.

You are a dishonest cunt. Be a man and apologise.
 
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sol_bad

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So fresh from defending paedos you come to shit up this thread. Let’s consider the facts.

In this thread people have been discussing a range of topics around going to the cinema including reasons why they do or don’t want to go. I joined that part of the chat.

You then waded in and called me racist, assuming that I don’t like films because they feature a black person. I then list some films I like and you stilll conclude I’m racist because the films are old, ignoring my post earlier about my preference in general for older films.

You are a dishonest cunt.
Please, your decision not to watch movies these days based on wokeness happened well before the pandemic no doubt and has no bearing on this film or discussion. Yeah people have come in here saying Hollywood is shit but you are the only one blabbering on about China and wokeness. This film has nothing to do with China and John David Washington is the only correlation this film has with "wokeness" that I can think of and I asked a question. The fact that you got so offended and worked up about it instead of just answering the question tells a lot.

And I am not shitting up the thread, the topic has been about "Hollywood should die" and I have been arguing that point and explaining why Hollywood shouldn't die.
 

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I've been excited to see every Nolan movie since he started making the Batman trilogy. This is the only movie I'm not that excited for.

Reminds me of that movie Knight and Day with Tom Cruise, I remember when it bombed and critics were starting to think maybe TC didn't have the staring power he once did and I remember thinking "no, it's because the movie looks very generic and boring." Kind of how I feel about Tenet.
 

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Should have released it digitally. Sorry, but Im not going out to the movies anytime soon. They should have expected the results considering the pandemic.
 
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Not boring, but confusing. The terrible sound engineering renders it impossible to hear what is being said at crucial moments.
This is so hyperbolic, I saw it in IMAX, no matter how loud the action scene/music I could still hear the dialogue, most lines I missed had more to do with line delivery than anything else, I'll catch them on a re-watch but I understood the movie fine without them.
 

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Please, your decision not to watch movies these days based on wokeness happened well before the pandemic no doubt and has no bearing on this film or discussion. Yeah people have come in here saying Hollywood is shit but you are the only one blabbering on about China and wokeness. This film has nothing to do with China and John David Washington is the only correlation this film has with "wokeness" that I can think of and I asked a question. The fact that you got so offended and worked up about it instead of just answering the question tells a lot.

And I am not shitting up the thread, the topic has been about "Hollywood should die" and I have been arguing that point and explaining why Hollywood shouldn't die.
Yes, the Disney sycophant would argue that Hollywood is fine 🙄

But you're putting words in hariseldon hariseldon mouth to push a ridiculous point
 

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This better come to digital soon. What are the chances of that? Will this be in theatres for like the next 8 months?
 
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When I worked in cinema ticket sales didn't even keep the lights on, let alone pay the staff. It's packed screens with everyone buying popcorn and concessions which does that. All of which completely at odds to our current post covid world.

I really don't know how they can survive.
 

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Just put it on HBO Max, for a reasonable price ( fuck you Mulan) and I would buy it.
Can you explain how Mulan at 30 isn't a reasonable price? You can effectively fit more than 2 (30 dollars is roughly the price of two tickets) people in a living room.
 

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Can you explain how Mulan at 30 isn't a reasonable price? You can effectively fit more than 2 (30 dollars is roughly the price of two tickets) people in a living room.
It's very reasonable, the people who think it isn't don't seem to understand how businesses work.
 
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The part that annoys me is the people who don't want to leave home and support movies at the theatre are the same people that whinge that Hollywood are out of ideas. It's the fault of people like this that Holywood doesn't want to push original ideas.
This was already the case before the pandemic and cinemas being kind of full still.
Watching a movie on a 4k 70 inch oled with a 2000 euro stereo setup seems good enough for me to watch shitty woke pandering movies on.
 
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This was already the case before the pandemic and cinemas being kind of full still.
Watching a movie on a 4k 70 inch oled with a 2000 euro stereo setup seems good enough for me to watch shitty woke pandering movies on.
Exactly my point, the people whinging about Hollywood not being original anymore haven't been to the cinemas for 10+ years. They don't support the none tent pole films. There have been absolutely tonnes of good and original films in the last 20 years. The problem is these movies aren't supported at the cinema, the people whinging about unoriginal films watch them at home. If people aren't supporting them in the theatre, how do they expect Hollywood to risk millions of dollars?

And it's not just about wokeness, just a tiny example is the movie Life. No it's not an incredibly amazing film and yes it's highly influenced by Alien. It's a well made movie though and certainly has tense moments. But it's budget was about 60 million and it only made 100 million at the box office. Contrary to what you personally feel about that movie, whether you like it or not, if the movie made money it would give the studios an incentive to take more risks on that type of film, sci-fi horror.

I have a $7100aud (4,300eur) 5.1 set up and it just doesn't compare to the cinema.
If you are happy to sit at home and basically not support the theatre industry that's fine. But you can't sit there and complain about the industry if you aren't supporting it.
 

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But you can't sit there and complain about the industry if you aren't supporting it.
I give you that point, but in a way I have almost never been doing anything else than going to the big blockbuster movies my whole life. Maybe stuff like a Coen brothers or Tarantino movie here and there.

My hope is that we will see more varied content with the transition to streaming services.

I mean, a movie like "IO" wouldn't have had theatres packed, but it got a lot of positive attention on Netflix.
 
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People are realizing just how little Hollywood and pro sports mean during this pandemic. The protests and political messages by these two groups is only hastening their demise & irrelevance.
 

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Please, your decision not to watch movies these days based on wokeness happened well before the pandemic no doubt and has no bearing on this film or discussion. Yeah people have come in here saying Hollywood is shit but you are the only one blabbering on about China and wokeness. This film has nothing to do with China and John David Washington is the only correlation this film has with "wokeness" that I can think of and I asked a question. The fact that you got so offended and worked up about it instead of just answering the question tells a lot.

And I am not shitting up the thread, the topic has been about "Hollywood should die" and I have been arguing that point and explaining why Hollywood shouldn't die.
Discussing things with you is exhausting, in part because of your desperation to defend corporations at all costs, even if they're promoting paedophilia, in part because of your mind-reading, in part because of your poor reading comprehension and in part because of your dishonesty in desperately seeking a gotcha to get those evil right winger nazis.

First up, you seem to think you have a gotcha. Nope. I already stated that I don't want to go to the cinema because there's fuck all that's any good, and because that poor experience is competing with a large collection of classics I can watch at home. There's real joy in working through these classics, discovering gems I never would have known about. My wife and I every Saturday night alternate who gets to choose, and we look for suitable films to enjoy. In recent weeks I've enjoyed some wonderful films from the 30s and 40s - Hitchcock in particular is a real gem. When my choice is between these cinematic greats or the latest superhero crap or twee indie pet-spoon bullshit, I'm going to pass on those. Top Gun interests me, Dune interests me, Tenet does not. You have decided that you can read my mind and determine that it is because there's a black guy in it. Honestly if you hadn't told me I'd not even remember. I saw trailers a while back and was sufficiently disinterested that they have faded from my memory entirely. Inception sent me to sleep, so I have no outstanding interest in the director.

On the other hand, Charlie Kaufman has released something I'm very interested to see. He's a genius - his previous film Anomalisa is one of my all-time favourite films. I'm also digging into Korean cinema after Parasite wowed me at the cinema and Oldboy wowed me at home. My local cinemas aren't showing anything so I guess I'll have to watch those at home. In terms of recent-ish films I've enjoyed I'd have to add Three Billboards, but you probably think I'm racist for liking that given it has too many white people in it. On the other hand it has a female lead so maybe I'd get woke points for that? Who knows. The point here though is that I like what I like, that doesn't make me racist, I just have tastes in film that are presently not served by Hollywood.

Back to your post - you are fucking incapable of reading it seems. How many times have I got to explain that I was not particularly discussing this film but addressing the wider conversation going on about people going or not going to the cinema? Do I have to put it in 50 fucking point font? As for getting offended... well you got me there, I mean it's utterly unreasonable to be offended by some cunt calling me a racist. You're a bit like those BLM/Antifa people who get in people's faces and spit vitriol at them and then act surprised when they get a punch.

As for answering a question.. I mean you seem to have buried the question so deep within "you're racist" that I can barely see it.

At this point I'm done with you. You defend paedophilia (see the Cuties thread), and you accuse me of racism based on mind-reading, or perhaps the age-old "everyone who disagrees with me is racist" metric, who the fuck knows. Clearly a productive conversation is not possible. I will not be responding to any further posts from you.
 
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Never said that it was. But going to the cinema isn't important anymore to a lot of people. It's further irrelevant because hollywood has cast their lot in with the woke agenda so this doesn't have to be political to face the repercussions of woke hollywood.
Indeed - tbh the problem is that the woke have somewhat poisoned the well. With stuff like the Oscars requiring checkbox representation to qualify soon it means that directors are not free to choose their cast based on achieving maximum chemistry, realism and capability, instead being driven by a committee (and we already see scripts similarly formed by committee to avoid offending).

Most people probably won't necessarily not like the films because they're woke though, or rather they won't identify the cause as wokeness. They'll just notice a creeping blandness and just not feel super-motivated to support the multi-billion dollar behemoths that dominate the industry, nor the smaller films which tend to have that "ooh look at me I'm so random here's my pet spoon" aesthetic. There might well be good films being made but there's zero publicity being given to them if they're insufficiently woke. In the UK we have Film Review with Mark Kermode and honestly I don't know when the cult got to him but he now parrots all the intersectional phrases and it's so grating, but it means that these people are gatekeeping. It's harder for them to stop us hearing about bigger budget films (but you can't get a big budget without a big studio and big studios are woke) but for smaller films - if they don't tow the line then lack of coverage can be an absolute death sentence.
 
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This is so hyperbolic, I saw it in IMAX, no matter how loud the action scene/music I could still hear the dialogue, most lines I missed had more to do with line delivery than anything else, I'll catch them on a re-watch but I understood the movie fine without them.
I certainly didn't see it in IMAX, so your experience was probably superior to mine. It doesn't negate my experience though and I'd hazard a guess and say most people haven't seen it in IMAX.

 
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It’s about time Nolan had a reality check. People are sick of Michael cain playing Michael cain in his movies.
 

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Hopefully they’ll get the Blu-ray out a bit sooner, then. I’d much rather watch it on my own setup anyway and be able to compensate for the inevitably shitty sound mix whilst I’m making tea.
 
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Last movie I saw at the theatre was 1917. Before that was Interstellar and before that was Gravity.

Watching films at home has become more desirable to a lot of people and the technology gap between the cinema and home has closed.
And no dickhead sitting behind you eating a four-course meal involving pungent onions and a hotdog so long it's constantly >whap<ing you in the head like a $2 dollar porn fluffer.
 
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And no dickhead sitting behind you eating a four-course meal involving pungent onions and a hotdog so long it's constantly >whap<ing you in the head like a $2 dollar porn fluffer.
I’ve never understood this. This obsession with eating terrible shit in the dark while watching a movie. Go to dinner before or after for fucks sake.
 
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I certainly didn't see it in IMAX, so your experience was probably superior to mine. It doesn't negate my experience though and I'd hazard a guess and say most people haven't seen it in IMAX.

It's literally louder in IMAX. I cited seeing it in IMAX because the "problem" is exacerbated there. With TDK the articles were about how they switched from IMAX cameras during dialogue scenes because of how loud everything is when filmed in IMAX meaning dialogue could get drowned out. After TDK more and more Nolan films stopped switching from IMAX, though even TENET occasionally swaps to regular film like when he's talking with Michael Caine, the only dialogue that passed people by would be things shouted back and forth in action scenes, which is fine. I'm fully aware people are complaining about this, but they're wrong. Anyone thinking there was a line of dialogue they missed that was the "key" to understanding TENET is full of it, you either got it or you didn't, try seeing it again. I'm not even joking about them deserving a sound mixing Oscar or "trolling", action movies should be loud, the things I wanted to hear were loud, the audio experience of TENET is as exciting as the visual one as a result.

Paradoxically people complain about too much expository dialogue in Nolan films while also complaining they didn't "get" the film because they missed a line of dialogue... either you can "get it" without all the dialogue being audible or not, but many people want it both ways. I honestly think the average psuedo-intellectual when seeing something like say Inception, hears the explanation and says "Oh... I probably could have figured that out, I didn't need that dialogue" when the truth is without that dialogue they would say "it was too confusing". Some people think it's Nolan taking criticism to heart but again... since Inception his films have been this way, Inception got away with it easier because of how many non-noisy scenes of exposition it has (which is because it's framed as a heist film with planning scenes, also because it's a movie about movie-making and we're seeing how a movie would be planned as well) versus a film like TENET which is far more aggressive in its pacing with less downtime, it's framed more like a Mission Impossible film where the down-time is small bits of planning/justification for action scenes that are akin' to franchises like Mission Impossible in how thin they are in justification and audience understanding.

The average MI film is some crap about a rabbit's foot or something and the audience is just along for the ride, he doesn't elevate it by eschewing the minimal justifications for the next big set piece but by making the effects of the doomsday device felt throughout the film (all the inversion) causing the possibility of calamity to seem more likely while also making the action far more interesting. He took a movie like Primer or Predestination and turned them into Mission Impossible films. To be fair, yes, most people wouldn't get those movies if lines of dialogue flew by them but Nolan isn't interested in having you 100% understand a concept, I've seen people complain he never even explains how reversal is possible, but he also never explained in Inception how the shared dreaming was possible. The film's establish what can be done and explain the rules, but not how.
 

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It's meant to be overbearing, you're not meant to hear every line of dialogue
That sounds like shit, I can understand that in a war movie but not a high concept thriller with a lot of exposition. If people are talking and conveying information I should be able to understand it.
 
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That sounds like shit, I can understand that in a war movie but not a high concept thriller with a lot of exposition. If people are talking and conveying information I should be able to understand it.
Did you see it? The high concept part is pretty well conveyed. I can't speak for everyone else but for me the only dialogue that was tough to catch was stuff explaining small bits of their plan. It's not like there's a part where someone says "in the future a God farts and objects go backwards now" and no one can hear that dialogue. There's no hidden key to the puzzle you'll miss when the dialogue is being drowned out by explosions or something.
 
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I've seen it 5 times, including twice in Dolby Cinema. I think the best way to watch it so far has been in the biggest regular screen. When doing the reservation, I check multiple times and try to catch the auditorium with the most seats. The image may not be as good as the Dolby Cinema, but you can definitely make out most of the lines better.

If it's your first time, I'd do a regular screen to be safe, and then go back for a premium/large-format for a second viewing.

Even after 5 times there are new things I discover every time I watch the film. I have the AMC Stubs program ($22 a month) so I've been taking advantage. Also had the chocolate hazelnut churros at the AMC yesterday and they were amazing. I used to like their flatbread pepperoni but it's not the same the last couple of times I"ve had it. Maybe they've been in the freezer too long with this whole situation?
 
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I've seen it 5 times, including twice in Dolby Cinema. I think the best way to watch it so far has been in the biggest regular screen. When doing the reservation, I check multiple times and try to catch the auditorium with the most seats. The image may not be as good as the Dolby Cinema, but you can definitely make out most of the lines better.

If it's your first time, I'd do a regular screen to be safe, and then go back for a premium/large-format for a second viewing.

Even after 5 times there are new things I discover every time I watch the film. I have the AMC Stubs program ($22 a month) so I've been taking advantage. Also had the chocolate hazelnut churros at the AMC yesterday and they were amazing. I used to like their flatbread pepperoni but it's not the same the last couple of times I"ve had it. Maybe they've been in the freezer too long with this whole situation?
Catching new things every new viewing isn't what people want, they want it to be as shallow and vapid and easy to digest as possible on first viewing so they can instantly forget it when leaving the theater... you know... like those MCU films.
 
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