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Tetsuya Takahashi: I would want a 3rd Xenoblade to be more like the first again
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That's an awful description. XCX really shared nothing with Skyrim other than that they both have large worlds. They're extremely different in just about every way.
XcX is fantastic because of its open world.
It's an rpg for explorers; etrian odyssey lover and pso lover.
You want something more story driven, play Witcher 3 instead, period!
Gameplay wise, new game is enchanced version of the old game.
Story wise, they've nothing in common.
For any sceptical people watch this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOm842H-rac
If you don't like it after watching this then this game might not be for you.
bizzarewars
Banned
I'm enjoying XCX a lot so far but it's hard not to want it to be a bit more story focused. I'd love to see a return to XC's story driven narrative, especially with a gigantic world similar to Mira in scope. Would be the GOAT.
But the battle system they have rn is good though...
Agreed.
Sawano's stuff is the loud generic "epic" tracks, with a healthy dose of broken English/German.
Though to be fair, I feel that he experiments a lot as well, which makes for some interesting music.
The soundtrack is weird because I think everything outside of what plays is NLA is great but man when you aren't in the field holy shit is it off-putting. Not a huge fan of the battle system either but I've still put in 11 hours since I got the game today. 
Would likely buy a third Xenoblade game.
Would likely buy a third Xenoblade game.
spazchicken
Member
Me and Tetsua Taka...me and this dude has the same idea.
Edit: Nevermind, I thought he said Xenogears...
Edit: Nevermind, I thought he said Xenogears...
bobbychalkers
Member
I think there's a good mix to be had. I like Xenoblade but its not something I'd be aching to go back to after I complete it.
Get over yourself
threelights
Member
You should play more MMOs if you think that >.>
The customization is good. Not the battle system.
Provided making it more like the original Xenoblade means not piling the worst story developments onto one character disproportionately while everyone else in the group does fairly well for themselves by the time the game ends, then I would be in favor of it. I loved that game, but that was always something that soured things a bit for me.
That said, every Xeno game is sci-fi. The only thing I suppose people who say that they want another game that has a sci-fi direction mean is that they want another game with a space opera angle, as X and the Xenosaga games did (rather than the schizo tech juxtaposition of natural and technological elements that Xenogears and the original Xenoblade did).
That said, every Xeno game is sci-fi. The only thing I suppose people who say that they want another game that has a sci-fi direction mean is that they want another game with a space opera angle, as X and the Xenosaga games did (rather than the schizo tech juxtaposition of natural and technological elements that Xenogears and the original Xenoblade did).
I felt that this merited quoting for another page (very much agreed that it's possible to like or dislike his work without making sweeping generalizations that insult the other side).I'm not a fan of Sawano, but some of the posts in this thread echoing my opinion are done so in such fashion that I'm almost ashamed to dislike him. I think it would be good if we avoided blanket typecasting those among us who enjoy his soundtrack; there are quite a few of them, and given GAF's demographics I refuse to believe they're all "young teenagers."
Mr.Galahad
Member
Just get rid of the character creator, fix the character models to look less like blow up dolls and I'm in.
Xenoblade Chronicles X always felt like a small step back, they wanted to do something different to attract Western audiences, but that never works out for any Japanese developer, EVER.
I'm sick of Japanese companies trying to make up gimmicks to add into their games to appeal to a Western audience, just make a great game and we will like it. That's what you did for Xenoblade Chronicles and it worked wonders.
I'm sick of Japanese companies trying to make up gimmicks to add into their games to appeal to a Western audience, just make a great game and we will like it. That's what you did for Xenoblade Chronicles and it worked wonders.
threelights
Member
Binary Domain is pretty good, and I hate shooters =P
I think what you're saying applies mostly to RPGs, and only in very specific cases (which, for the sake of not derailing, doesn't include Dragon's Dogma and Souls).
OverturePT
Member
All I care about is that another Xenoblade is a possiblity. I'm fine with the 3rd one being, again, different from its predecessors. I enjoyed XC immensely and I'm enjoying XCX immensely as well. So sure, make it more story heavy but please, let me explore and discover like I'm doing in XCX, overwhelm me like XCX, it's nice to go out on a couple of missions, help the town grow, invest the revenue from all that probing and exploring into new gear, and, up until now at least, I'm not getting a sense of urgency like some stories bring very early on, when it makes it feel awkward to just ignore the story and fool around (the "fooling" around here makes sense, you are always helping the greater cause). I like the time and freedom they gave me in XCX.
Above Zelda, Super Mario, Metroid, Xenoblade is now the game to sell me on a new Nintendo console. No pressure Takahashi.
Above Zelda, Super Mario, Metroid, Xenoblade is now the game to sell me on a new Nintendo console. No pressure Takahashi.
What I want from a potential sequel is:
a) that it be story-driven, like he is saying.
b) that it has either a more tactical action combat system (with defined roles; smart ai/co-op/pausing) or that it is a return to the experiments Square was doing with turn based in the 90s (in Chrono Trigger/Cross and Xenogears). XC did a good job of making characters different and fun to play but the party tactics stuff needs work.
c) I'd love it if Mitsuda worked with them again. I miss his music.
Even if it isn't another Xeno RPG, these are the things I'd want Monolith to do. I haven't decided on purchasing XCX yet, but maybe if/when I do, it'll change my mind.
a) that it be story-driven, like he is saying.
b) that it has either a more tactical action combat system (with defined roles; smart ai/co-op/pausing) or that it is a return to the experiments Square was doing with turn based in the 90s (in Chrono Trigger/Cross and Xenogears). XC did a good job of making characters different and fun to play but the party tactics stuff needs work.
c) I'd love it if Mitsuda worked with them again. I miss his music.
Even if it isn't another Xeno RPG, these are the things I'd want Monolith to do. I haven't decided on purchasing XCX yet, but maybe if/when I do, it'll change my mind.
Supermanisdead
Member
go back to story driven, more variety in party members, similar music as the original. please god
GamingOblivion
Banned
Y'all are crazy, I love the battle system of Chronicles and Xenoblade X. The only thing I wish X had was a story driven narrative and world design.
The only MMO I ever played was FFXIV but even after that Xenoblade combat still remains one of my favorite ones
followed by the one of FFXII, god I love that game so much...
idk, I could like something akin to Dragons Dogma or Monster Hunter since it lends so well to their monsters designs but after seeing how they improved combat in XenoX with the classes, targeting of body parts, long and short range weapons, the inclusion of more options to position playable characters and Skell combat I can't say I would like that they strayed away from it...
Also this:
Anyway, I would play anything they make since they already nailed how to make a lush and interesting world to traverse and explore.
... and also please keep the Skells, Mecha, Dolls... pleasE!
I'm not far in XCX but I really like it so far. I'm glad its not a clone of Xenoblade. I can't say much about XCX's story but I like the vast open world. The game's armosphere is really different from the first. You really file like a pioneer in an unknown new world.
Fans can be deceptive because, often, they don't really want more of the same even when they think they do. So even if Monolithsoft opts to change the way the story progresses, I hope they continue to surprise us.
EDIT: And I like the music! Xenoblade had some really nice tracks and everything was tolerable. Yet some of them could have appeared in any JRPG. Sawano's compositions for X give it a very unique character.
Fans can be deceptive because, often, they don't really want more of the same even when they think they do. So even if Monolithsoft opts to change the way the story progresses, I hope they continue to surprise us.
EDIT: And I like the music! Xenoblade had some really nice tracks and everything was tolerable. Yet some of them could have appeared in any JRPG. Sawano's compositions for X give it a very unique character.
DXLelouch153
Banned
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Dark_castle
Junior Member
Can I have a story-rich, linear turn-based RPG instead please? You know, like Xenogears. Enough with the pseudo turn-based action hybrid with MMO style open world gameplay already.
From my understanding it was going to be, but they focused on putting online in it, which pushed character creation, which cut some of the story focus.
I could be wrong, though.
Where's the Iwata Asks in English for this?
;_;
brainchild
Banned
As a 33 year old retired concertmaster violinist who absolutely loves classical music, I can say that your generalizations are not welcome.
Some people, like me, have eclectic tastes in music and enjoy music in a wide variety of different genres. Aside from classical music, I like jazz, funk, celtic, Indie pop, Latin, New Age, alternative rock, world, trance, electronic, blues, and many more.
It has nothing to do with underdeveloped tastes. My ears just have a broader palate than yours.
The OP didn't include the most relevant quote (on the story) in the interview
As I said, I've not played far but I get the feeling that the story is not really "about you" in the same way Xenoblade was all about your main character, Shulk. Even if this shift was for pragmatic reasons I kind of like this perspective. Most JRPG main characters turn out to be extremely important in an almost over-the-top way with the fate of the whole world depending on them.
There is a sense in X that you are participating in events without necessarily being the focus of attention. Ironically it actually makes the situation feel more "epic" because its more realistic. If Earth were destroyed and you were a survivor you probably wouldn't have a magic solution you'd just be doing your part like everyone else. So I think the scenario complements the shift in narrative focus and helps it to work.
As I said, I've not played far but I get the feeling that the story is not really "about you" in the same way Xenoblade was all about your main character, Shulk. Even if this shift was for pragmatic reasons I kind of like this perspective. Most JRPG main characters turn out to be extremely important in an almost over-the-top way with the fate of the whole world depending on them.
There is a sense in X that you are participating in events without necessarily being the focus of attention. Ironically it actually makes the situation feel more "epic" because its more realistic. If Earth were destroyed and you were a survivor you probably wouldn't have a magic solution you'd just be doing your part like everyone else. So I think the scenario complements the shift in narrative focus and helps it to work.
OmegaDL50
Member
Different teams do different things as part of development.
The few people that handle scenario and story writing duties aren't the same folks that are doing environment and world design. In this case one does not take away from the other because it's two completely different roles handled by two completely different teams as part of the studio.
I'd also be much more inclined to mourn the character creator if it were any good - I wasn't expecting it to be quite so limited.
Other than that, I'd welcome another voiced main character for the next game, and I wasn't a fan of Shulk at all - the silent protagonist leaves a bigger void than I'd have initially thought.
They should bring in Toriyama and get him to work his magic. The series needs a Shulk Returns.
Yup. They work separately even though they are connected. I think the Iwata Asks interview brought out that the people in charge of the world design introduced new settings at the behest of the scenario writers because they wanted certain interesting locations for story events.
Which begins me to a point about our SOUNDBYTE based world that reduces everything to catchphrases and bars people from comprehending anything that's even slightly subtle. Xenoblade X does have a main story and the characters are fleshed out but it's not presented exactly like Xenoblade's story. The main narrative does not DOMINATE in the same way as the previous game but, I repeat, the game is not without a story. It's not Monster Hunter.
I agree that the game would have been slightly improved if the main character had voiced phrases for the options you selected for him/her during conversations. There might be pragmatic reasons why this isn't the case since they shifted to the avatar in the middle of development. The MC is chatty in battle but silent otherwise.Golnei said:
The Spoony Hou
Member
Yes.
Of course it's possible, Nintendo and Namco are not rival companies, you know.
I mean, Namco developed freaking Smash brothers! Can't Nintendo develop one of Namco's IPs?
SinCityAssassin
Member
There is a main story, but progression is nonlinear in favor of having world building sidequests. And the game continues after you beat the main story.