• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.

The Australian Politics Thread

DeSo

Banned
Dec 10, 2009
3,285
119
995
Australia
Says Matt, who voted for the LNP.

What are your yearly earnings? If it's under 100k you are being took for all you're worth by those you voted for.

I can quote you saying you voted against Labor because they were too "woke".

How about you "wake up" and realilse this is Australia, not America and their stupid politics.

Seems you care more about American politics than where you live.

Fraud.
 
Last edited:
  • LOL
  • Fire
Reactions: matt404au and Scopa

matt404au

Banned
Apr 25, 2009
22,745
44,925
1,610
Straya
Says Matt, who voted for the LNP.

What are your yearly earnings? If it's under 100k you are being took for all you're worth by those you voted for.

I can quote you saying you voted against Labor because they were too "woke".

How about you "wake up" and realilse this is Australia, not America and their stupid politics.

Seems you care more about American politics than where you live.

Fraud.
Quote me then. Labor’s wokeness was a big reason I voted LNP this time. It was as much a vote against Shorten, Plibersek, et al. as a vote for Morrison and co. Not sure exactly why you’re trying to suggest I’m somehow contradicting myself. It’s all perfectly consistent.

Look at your recent post history bro. You’re a shrieker and you’ve given me plenty of lols with your hysterics. How about you “wake up” and realise that our own politics are downstream from what happens in America. Why do you think we have feminist theory like the Duluth model infecting our political institutions? Why are our mainstream politicians embracing intersectional ideology and rhetoric? It all stems from big brother.
 

DeSo

Banned
Dec 10, 2009
3,285
119
995
Australia
Why would I have to quote you when you just admitted it?

You threw away money because you you believe in the "woke" Labor boogyman.
 
Last edited:
  • LOL
Reactions: matt404au

matt404au

Banned
Apr 25, 2009
22,745
44,925
1,610
Straya
Why would I have to quote you when you just admitted it?

You threw away money because you you believe in the "woke" Labor boogyman.
It’s not a bogeyman. I simply listened to what was coming out of their mouths, and in regards to Plibersek specifically, the feminist dogma that was plastered all over her campaign page.

You’ve also blithely assumed my income and that I’m a povo cunt like you. You were mistaken.
 

matt404au

Banned
Apr 25, 2009
22,745
44,925
1,610
Straya

Here, here.

Pay attention matt404au matt404au , a great man is speaking.
I'm well aware of our economic dependence on China, but I am looking at the bigger picture and prioritising the wellbeing of the world over my own personal circumstance as a miner. And trust me, if China's growth wanes as a result of Australian or US or other foreign policy, my own back pocket will be significantly dented, but I'm not willing to hand over the reigns of global trade to China just for my own selfish wants. They've had their moment in the sun and their totalitarian government and brainwashed populace represent a bigger threat to global stability than anything else in recent history.

Are you just championing this article/speech because of who said it or have you actually read it and thought about it critically? What do you think about this quote:

"Keating said no other state, including India, would catch up to China in terms of economic growth, while Donald Trump’s America was retreating within itself, with no appetite for military conflict with China."

a) I think he's wrong about India.

b) India is not the only alternative to China, and the collective sum of long-term, decentralised growth across multiple regions could more than make up for China slowing down, and has the benefits of not concentrating economic power in any one nation.

c) He seems to be criticising Trump for being anti-war. How does that align with the traditional moderate left?

Richardson's comments in that article are far more sensible. #SorryNotSorry to rebuff your deity. The left no longer represents the interests of the working class, Keating included. You're about 10 years behind, Scopes.
 
  • Thoughtful
Reactions: Tesseract

Bullet Club

Member
Oct 24, 2017
10,015
23,363
1,210


They're going to dump Scott! And replace him with...



Let's just keep the fat cunt instead.
 

Bullet Club

Member
Oct 24, 2017
10,015
23,363
1,210
I think it's trending because people are asking if there is a Libspill, which there isn't of course. Not yet anyway. Maybe in a year or two.
 

matt404au

Banned
Apr 25, 2009
22,745
44,925
1,610
Straya
This is coming from someone intelligent enough to be redbaited and fall for the rhetoric of the U.S. propaganda machine.
I told you I have been talking about China since long before it was the flavour of the month. Talking about it on NeoGAF, no less. All you have to do is search my name with China is a keyword, yet you'd rather project.
 

Scopa

The Tribe Has Spoken
Oct 27, 2017
8,329
13,729
860
your mind
I told you I have been talking about China since long before it was the flavour of the month. Talking about it on NeoGAF, no less. All you have to do is search my name with China is a keyword, yet you'd rather project.
I’d rather judge, not project, thankyouverymuch, sir.
 

matt404au

Banned
Apr 25, 2009
22,745
44,925
1,610
Straya
I’d rather judge, not project, thankyouverymuch, sir.
You’re accusing me of falling for a propaganda machine and not thinking for myself while simultaneously linking a politician’s speech and telling me to pay attention because of who said it, not what was said.
 

Scopa

The Tribe Has Spoken
Oct 27, 2017
8,329
13,729
860
your mind
Reminder that I was right and Scopa Scopa ’s boy DeSo is a cum chump
I saw you reference him and I in that other thread and I still don’t know what you are talking about. Care to explain?

EDIT: So, you’re just going to put reactions to my posts (triggered/thoughtful) and not explain what you’re getting at?

*shrug*

It’s too early for this shit, Matt...
 
Last edited:
  • Thoughtful
Reactions: matt404au

Scopa

The Tribe Has Spoken
Oct 27, 2017
8,329
13,729
860
your mind

Interesting to see this on Aussie News. "Conspiracy" gets thrown around a lot, always in favor of certain governments and ideologies...
The minute these journalists use the propaganda term “regime” in relation to the United States Government, is the minute I’ll start taking their shit seriously.

While they are at it, they can also accompany their U.S. Government related stories with stock footage of American Military soldiers marching in unison and rocket systems on display.

I mean, fair is fair. You’d be hard-pressed to find a single news story about anything related to the Chinese or Russian Governments that isn’t portrayed as stated above, even if the story has no military relation.

Considering how many boots on ground the U.S.A. has in foreign nations, where’s the jackbooted, goosestepping footage of that “regime”?

It’s all bullshit for the simple-minded idiots. Trust no one. Question everything.
 

matt404au

Banned
Apr 25, 2009
22,745
44,925
1,610
Straya
Who said anything about anyone else. I am criticising his personal judgement and character. It’s an absolutely gutless and pathetic move from him.
Sure, but it’s a binary system so the alternative option is relevant to the discussion. Regarding SloMo’s indiscretion, I’m not a fan and, coupled with the recent issues for ABC journalists, think we may have a problem. Banana republic dictator though? That’s hyperbolic.
 

teacupcopter

Banned
Sep 1, 2005
1,515
318
1,505
Sure, but it’s a binary system so the alternative option is relevant to the discussion. Regarding SloMo’s indiscretion, I’m not a fan and, coupled with the recent issues for ABC journalists, think we may have a problem. Banana republic dictator though? That’s hyperbolic.
a little hyperbole is always fine in a political thread. It’s certainly sloppy and emblematic of how the libs lately have treated security matters and the like.

it’s not a binary system- you would think after the federal election (no major national boost for libs- huge boosts for Palmer one nation etc) and then the NSW election where the nats lost seats to many independent or smaller parties as well you would realise that?

this is why I’m sick of labor and why liberal supporters are (as shown by votes going against them) and should be sick of them- it shouldn’t be good enough to be “less shit” and stuff this catastrophically dumb should be punished. Howard or Rudd or Keating would be absolutely savaged for half the shit these muppets have gone through lately.
 
  • Thoughtful
Reactions: matt404au

matt404au

Banned
Apr 25, 2009
22,745
44,925
1,610
Straya
#ClimateCrisis more like #SummerDuringElNino ya bloody drongo

Remember all the droughts we had in the mid to late 00s? Same thing. There were severe bushfires then too.

El Niño

Read up on it so you don’t look like an idiot
 

Bullet Club

Member
Oct 24, 2017
10,015
23,363
1,210
#ClimateCrisis more like #SummerDuringElNino ya bloody drongo

Remember all the droughts we had in the mid to late 00s? Same thing. There were severe bushfires then too.

El Niño

Read up on it so you don’t look like an idiot
Matt's triggered!

I don't think the bushfires are due to climate change. I just like seeing our dipshit PM getting raked over the coals (hey hey!), no matter what the reason is.

 
  • LOL
Reactions: Scopa

matt404au

Banned
Apr 25, 2009
22,745
44,925
1,610
Straya
If this trend of poor growth continues and Labor can kick the identitarians out, I can see myself switching back to Labor at the next election.
 

Cato

China delenda est
Oct 27, 2017
5,461
8,688
730
Moore Park Beach
If this trend of poor growth continues and Labor can kick the identitarians out, I can see myself switching back to Labor at the next election.
I think the traditionally centre-left parties in most of the anglo-sphere would be surprised how many people would return if they kicked out the crazy left identitarians and went back to be a party that stood up for the working class instead of hating them and taunting them for now being unemployed and poor. Factory workers, manufacturing industry, ag industry, bringing the jobs back home .
 
  • Like
Reactions: matt404au

matt404au

Banned
Apr 25, 2009
22,745
44,925
1,610
Straya
I think the traditionally centre-left parties in most of the anglo-sphere would be surprised how many people would return if they kicked out the crazy left identitarians and went back to be a party that stood up for the working class instead of hating them and taunting them for now being unemployed and poor. Factory workers, manufacturing industry, ag industry, bringing the jobs back home .
Please educate our smoothbrained friend above
 

Bullet Club

Member
Oct 24, 2017
10,015
23,363
1,210

Statements of religious belief

Protection received: statements of religious belief will not be found to breach other federal, state and territory discrimination laws.

Examples:
  • A Christian may say that unrepentant sinners will go to hell, an example cited in the EM which mirrors the facts of Israel Folau’s case
  • A doctor may tell a transgender patient of their religious belief that God made men and women in his image and that gender is therefore binary (EM)
  • A single mother who, when dropping her child off at daycare, may be told by a worker that she is sinful for denying her child a father (Public Interest Advocacy Centre)
  • A woman may be told by a manager that women should submit to their husbands or that women should not be employed outside the home (PIAC)
  • A student with disability may be told by a teacher their disability is a trial imposed by God (PIAC)
  • A person of a minority faith may be told by a retail assistant from another religion that they are a “heathen destined for eternal damnation” (PIAC).
Caveats – statements must be made in good faith; not be malicious or harass, vilify or incite hatred against a person or group; not advocate for the commission of a serious criminal offence.

Religious activity

Protection received: discrimination against a person on the basis of religious activity is unlawful.

Example: public evangelising/street-preaching – even where this is in contravention of council bylaws (EM, Just Equal).

----

So people with real life issues can be discriminated against, but people that believe in fairytale bullshit are protected. Makes sense.
 

Cato

China delenda est
Oct 27, 2017
5,461
8,688
730
Moore Park Beach

Statements of religious belief

Protection received: statements of religious belief will not be found to breach other federal, state and territory discrimination laws.

Examples:
  • A Christian may say that unrepentant sinners will go to hell, an example cited in the EM which mirrors the facts of Israel Folau’s case
  • A doctor may tell a transgender patient of their religious belief that God made men and women in his image and that gender is therefore binary (EM)
  • A single mother who, when dropping her child off at daycare, may be told by a worker that she is sinful for denying her child a father (Public Interest Advocacy Centre)
  • A woman may be told by a manager that women should submit to their husbands or that women should not be employed outside the home (PIAC)
  • A student with disability may be told by a teacher their disability is a trial imposed by God (PIAC)
  • A person of a minority faith may be told by a retail assistant from another religion that they are a “heathen destined for eternal damnation” (PIAC).
Caveats – statements must be made in good faith; not be malicious or harass, vilify or incite hatred against a person or group; not advocate for the commission of a serious criminal offence.

Religious activity

Protection received: discrimination against a person on the basis of religious activity is unlawful.

Example: public evangelising/street-preaching – even where this is in contravention of council bylaws (EM, Just Equal).

----

So people with real life issues can be discriminated against, but people that believe in fairytale bullshit are protected. Makes sense.
What is the issue? Sounds reasonable to me.

Except you should be able to say these things even outside of religious faith.
And also with malice if that is your thing or if you are just angry.

Speech is either free or it is not.
 
Last edited:

matt404au

Banned
Apr 25, 2009
22,745
44,925
1,610
Straya

Statements of religious belief

Protection received: statements of religious belief will not be found to breach other federal, state and territory discrimination laws.

Examples:
  • A Christian may say that unrepentant sinners will go to hell, an example cited in the EM which mirrors the facts of Israel Folau’s case
  • A doctor may tell a transgender patient of their religious belief that God made men and women in his image and that gender is therefore binary (EM)
  • A single mother who, when dropping her child off at daycare, may be told by a worker that she is sinful for denying her child a father (Public Interest Advocacy Centre)
  • A woman may be told by a manager that women should submit to their husbands or that women should not be employed outside the home (PIAC)
  • A student with disability may be told by a teacher their disability is a trial imposed by God (PIAC)
  • A person of a minority faith may be told by a retail assistant from another religion that they are a “heathen destined for eternal damnation” (PIAC).
Caveats – statements must be made in good faith; not be malicious or harass, vilify or incite hatred against a person or group; not advocate for the commission of a serious criminal offence.

Religious activity

Protection received: discrimination against a person on the basis of religious activity is unlawful.

Example: public evangelising/street-preaching – even where this is in contravention of council bylaws (EM, Just Equal).

----

So people with real life issues can be discriminated against, but people that believe in fairytale bullshit are protected. Makes sense.
Good. I don’t agree with any of those statements but I agree with their right to be expressed. I don’t think anyone’s rights are being trampled by the opinion of another. Now, if it can be proved that there was actual discrimination when it comes to say a Christian or a Muslim refusing to employ someone they consider to be a sinner based on an immutable characteristic, e.g. because they’re a homosexual, then take them to the cleaners. Obviously there will be significant overlap between someone expressing that opinion and engaging in illegal discrimination, but I don’t believe in punishing on the expression alone. Punish actions, not words.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Stilton Disco