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So basically like Mexican immigrants in USA?
No, they have dignity and they make an actual living.
I lived there, I know some of the mexicans that sit outside home depot every day in cali.
My oldest daughter used to date a kid whose dad was an illegal and worked in landscaping/construction.

I guess you mean illegals? Not the legal mexican immigrant that was my boss at Google my first two years who made probably 300k$ usd base salary per year. (bit more than I did.). Make it north of 500k a year with stock options and 20+30% bonus as we all got.
You mean that guy?

I only made ~US$350k with stock and bonus a year initially. I made a lot more later but you always have to start low.
 
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No, they have dignity and they make an actual living.
I lived there, I know some of the mexicans that sit outside home depot every day in cali.
My oldest daughter used to date a kid whose dad was an illegal and worked in landscaping/construction.

I guess you mean illegals? Not the legal mexican immigrant that was my boss at Google my first two years who made probably 300k$ usd base salary per year. (bit more than I did.). Make it north of 500k a year with stock options and 20+30% bonus as we all got.
You mean that guy?

I only made ~US$350k with stock and bonus a year initially. I made a lot more later but you always have to start low.
A poorly executed joke by me on why some push for open borders, aka cheap labour. Nothing against Mexicans, legal or otherwise. Ignore.
 

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uhhh going by the timeline most Victorian kids will be at school full time quicker than nsw kids mate.

Nsw and vic are both playing it slow- which is good. We both have much higher outbreaks than others. I said it in the other thread but once again I really don’t get the antagonism on either side here. “Chairman dan lol” - no he was popular before and is more popular now, with the effeminate state libs limply trying time stroke themselves into an opposition by complaining about bats or the meat plant outbreak (that the federal libs have said was handled perfectly)

same thing with greens and lefties criticising Gladys in NSW. Harping on about the ruby princess (I do think that needs to be investigated and someone reprimanded but it’s a high pressure and crazy situation- I don’t think anyone should lose their job over it - and they are investigating!!) and saying it’s too early to open.

NSW and vic should take it slower, but keep the momentum. Good on WA, SA and NT for largely killing it. Ok marks to QLD and tassie, and at least they are closed off anyway. That has no bearings on the rest and scomo, Andrews and Gladys are all united in that.

creating infighting where there is none is the same type of political bullshit that aussies by and large hate. It’s also not going to go down well so any Politician trying it should tread lightly or polls will punish them
mr serious here
 
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Looks like Danny boy was too eager to re-open the economy.
Already we see new spikes in Victoria.

Keep the borders closed and go back to harder lockdown again, or else everyones grandparents will die!
We must keep victoria in permanent lockdown or else the virus wins.
 
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Queensland government to bid for Virgin Australia airline

The Queensland government has announced plans to bid for Virgin Australia.

Australia's number-two airline went into voluntary administration last month, owing almost $7 billion.

In his first act as Queensland's new Treasurer, Cameron Dick has appointed a government-owned investment company to "facilitate and manage the state’s bid for Virgin airlines".

Mr Dick said the government's investment in the collapsed airline could take the form of "a direct equity stake, a loan, guarantee or other financial incentives".

“This is a competitive space, but Queensland is a serious contender and our discussions with the administrators have been making progress,” Mr Dick said.

“We have been very clear. Two sustainable national airlines are critical to Australia’s economy.

“We have an opportunity to retain not only head office and crew staff in Queensland, but also to grow jobs in the repairs, maintenance and overhaul sector and support both direct and indirect jobs in our tourism sector.

“We saw the punishing increase to the cost of flights after the Ansett collapse, and this government will not stand by and let that happen again."

Queensland Investment Corporation, led by Damien Frawley, is working to shore up the state's bid by the June deadline, when administrators hope to wrap up the sale.

Mr Frawley said the restructure of Virgin Australia represented "a significant opportunity for Queensland".

“We are well-equipped to manage the state’s interest in Virgin Australia Holdings should the consortium be successful," he said.
“Virgin administrator Deloitte has set an ambitious time frame and we look forward to delivering on this mandate for the Queensland government.”

Before the airline collapsed, the Queensland government offered a $200 million rescue package - as long as the airline's headquarters remained in Bowen Hills in Brisbane.

“QIC will advise government on all aspects of the bid, including the optimal partner group, the quantum and structure of the state’s contribution, as well as probity and governance," Mr Dick said.

Virgin’s Brisbane headquarters has 1200 workers and there are 5000 employees across Queensland.

Virgin's directors appointed administrators from Deloitte to the group last month after it failed to pull off a restructure.
Mining magnate Andrew "Twiggy" Forrest is rumoured to be a potential buyer, as is private equity firm BGH Capital, Canadian asset manager Brookfield, American airline investor Indigo Partners and American distressed debt specialists Oaktree.

A total of 19 bidders are weighing up a rescue package, accounting firm Deloitte's lead administrator Vaughan Strawbridge wrote in an affidavit filed to the federal Court on Tuesday.

Deloitte had previously revealed it was working with 20 interested parties but only eight had signed confidentiality agreements that let them inspect the airline’s books.

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This is the dumbest shit I've ever heard of. I have no idea who would be sane enough to purchase an airline who hasn't turned profit in 7 years to begin with and holds no assets but to do this just on the case those buyers might be found and might move the HQ to Sydney? kek.
 

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21 new cases in Victoria over night.
Bad timing Danny Boy to ease up on the lockdown.

I think you need to show who is boss and who can "make the tough decisions"
Back to lockdown. Eh?
 
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China are such assholes and have shown that they will pick on a little fish like us to send a message to the bigger fish. I can only assume that the Coalition are making such moves because they’ve been guaranteed support by the US and possibly other allies. Essentially, we’re willing to be the fall guy to bait China because we know the big boys have our back. Otherwise it’s a very dangerous game and I don’t think SloMo and co are quite that stupid.
 
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Danny Boy, don't show weakness now.
The virus is out of control. Everyone will die unless you rollback the easing of the lockdown.
Victoria needs HARDER lockdowns, not easing off.
Harder lockdowns or everyone will die.

Why are you playing games with peoples lives? People will due to you easing the lockdown!
Roll-back the roll-back and go to level 4 restrictions in Victoria.
It is the only way Australia will remain safe!


Also, keep the QLD border closed. Just imagine how much safer we are now and how much crime, burglary and car-thefts have dropped in the vulnerable regions close to the NSW border. Don't open the border and spoil all the gains we have made in dropping crime rates!
 
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I wouldn’t sweat that. Trump talks big then steps it back when push comes to shove. He’s the kind of manager to give a big picture idea of what he wants then work out the minutiae later. When he says “everything should be made here”, he doesn’t mean it literally, and instead practically means “most of it should be made here”.
 

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I wouldn’t sweat that. Trump talks big then steps it back when push comes to shove. He’s the kind of manager to give a big picture idea of what he wants then work out the minutiae later. When he says “everything should be made here”, he doesn’t mean it literally, and instead practically means “most of it should be made here”.
I am certain that Trump will allow trusted close allies that are not going to weaponize their exports to continue working close with U.S. and their defence industry as the very close and trusted partners our two countries are.
 
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21 new cases in Victoria over night.
Bad timing Danny Boy to ease up on the lockdown.

I think you need to show who is boss and who can "make the tough decisions"
Back to lockdown. Eh?
it really triggers you that labor are handling this well and getting more popular for it doesn’t it?


China are such assholes and have shown that they will pick on a little fish like us to send a message to the bigger fish. I can only assume that the Coalition are making such moves because they’ve been guaranteed support by the US and possibly other allies. Essentially, we’re willing to be the fall guy to bait China because we know the big boys have our back. Otherwise it’s a very dangerous game and I don’t think SloMo and co are quite that stupid.
ultimately in world diplomacy (especially when it comes to the us and China) no matter whether you’re scomo, Gillard, Turnbull, Rudd, whatever they are all in lockstep. Like I said earlier the danger it the allure of Chinese money on the electorate who then punished elected officials for going against China (ironically never a problem in China for their people as they don’t vote)

I do think scomo and co would’ve thought this through. Lately my only worry is getting trump normally (listens to his advisors militarily/ state dept and say hey- Australia Needs to be backed up here) or trump when his vagina is bleeding having a pissy tantrum and throws out a good deal because of a perceived loss or slight

I am certain that Trump will allow trusted close allies that are not going to weaponize their exports to continue working close with U.S. and their defence industry as the very close and trusted partners our two countries are.

yep. Even if trump complained about where shit was built you would expect the people actually making the deals to back us (see above unless Donnys on his period) as the relationships between the actual people in both countries defense industries is strong, perhaps even stronger than USA/UK.
 

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it really triggers you that labor are handling this well and getting more popular for it doesn’t it?
Not so much as just me getting hard when people will ask for "punish me more, dear master" because they will and it will be funny.
People will beg for more and harder rules to limit their lives. Because it make them feel they have a purpose.

Myself I just go down to the beach, have a beer and cook some snags. And laugh.

Remember. Australia can never be free or safe unless victoria is in lockdown!
 
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You say:

Not so much as just me getting hard when people will ask for "punish me more, dear master" because they will and it will be funny.
People will beg for more and harder rules to limit their lives. Because it make them feel they have a purpose.

Myself I just go down to the beach, have a beer and cook some snags. And laugh.

Remember. Australia can never be free or safe unless victoria is in lockdown!
I hear:

dan Andrews gets me hard
 

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NSW premier going retard again:

"Berejiklian said earlier today she had been pressuring state premiers to open their borders and that “I don’t want people to say ‘I can go to Auckland’ before I go to Brisbane”."

I just say, Why Not? That sounds like a good plan to me.


"Palaszczuk says that the border will remain closed “while there is active community transmission in NSW and Victoria”."

Look, the border is closed and will remain closed. Deal with it.
What is the urgency? You tourism industry will be dead for the next 10 years not matter what happens.

We don't want the borders opened. You have your state, we have out state. Separate and beautiful like the colors of the rainbow.
We acutally would like to keep this border closed for a long time. Maybe permanently even.

What QLD people do NOT want is to quickly open the border because NSW tourism industry is more important than QLD having to suffer import of death virus from NSW.
If you don't shut up complaining that we closed the border we will ban export of Avocado to NSW.
 
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NSW premier going retard again:

"Berejiklian said earlier today she had been pressuring state premiers to open their borders and that “I don’t want people to say ‘I can go to Auckland’ before I go to Brisbane”."

I just say, Why Not? That sounds like a good plan to me.


"Palaszczuk says that the border will remain closed “while there is active community transmission in NSW and Victoria”."

Look, the border is closed and will remain closed. Deal with it.
What is the urgency? You tourism industry will be dead for the next 10 years not matter what happens.

We don't want the borders opened. You have your state, we have out state. Separate and beautiful like the colors of the rainbow.
We acutally would like to keep this border closed for a long time. Maybe permanently even.

What QLD people do NOT want is to quickly open the border because NSW tourism industry is more important than QLD having to suffer import of death virus from NSW.
If you don't shut up complaining that we closed the border we will ban export of Avocado to NSW.
I agree they need to act when they are ready Based on medical advice, not when they think it’s good for $$$. Of course they won’t stop bleeding cunts from trying to have a go if a lockdown lasts two second longer but hey.

also I love the threat of no avocado sales down south. Queensland’s agricultural economy would be nothing without NSW and VIC. meanwhile we can always get avocados somewhere else.
 

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also I love the threat of no avocado sales down south. Queensland’s agricultural economy would be nothing without NSW and VIC. meanwhile we can always get avocados somewhere else.
Do they grow them in China?

I'm sure Clive will go over there and buy them for us cheaply if they do.
 

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I agree they need to act when they are ready Based on medical advice, not when they think it’s good for $$$. Of course they won’t stop bleeding cunts from trying to have a go if a lockdown lasts two second longer but hey.

also I love the threat of no avocado sales down south. Queensland’s agricultural economy would be nothing without NSW and VIC. meanwhile we can always get avocados somewhere else.
Of course you can get avocado elsewhere.
You are taking my post more serious that it was meant.

Queenslands AG and mineral economy is basically destroyed for the next 10 years.
There will not be a V-shaped recovery (what a ridiculous notion Scomo was presenting).
So basically depression and 10 plus years to recovery.

Same for NSW. Tourism and Student business is dead for at least 10 years. No matter what,
What is funny is that NSW now thinks that "if QLD and others open the borders our tourism industry will survive!" That is so silly it has to be pointed at and laughed at.

Sorry. It won't. It is a silly concept. Just accept that the tourism, hospitality, etc industry is dead. It will recover over a decade or a decade and a half, but a few tens of thousands of QLDers travelling to NSW in their mobile homes and visiting Jenolan Caves is not going to have any meaningful impact on economical recovery.

See my post as a semi-sarcastic comment on the person that just lost a few million international tourists spending a lot of money
trying to convince themselves that getting a a few thousand cash-strapped QLDers (yes we are facing fuck high unemployment here in QLD) to come and spend some few dollars will have any kind of meaningful impact on any recovery.

Just face it, your tourism industry is dead for the next decade. So is ours.
 
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I don't think it will be dead for 10 years, maybe for 2. People will still want to go on holidays.

I went for a walk with the dog down the main street of Mornington today. It was packed. People queuing up outside of every restaurant, even Subway had a big line. The park also had lots of people in and there was lots of activity on the beach.
 

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Of course you can get avocado elsewhere.
You are taking my post more serious that it was meant.

Queenslands AG and mineral economy is basically destroyed for the next 10 years.
There will not be a V-shaped recovery (what a ridiculous notion Scomo was presenting).
So basically depression and 10 plus years to recovery.

Same for NSW. Tourism and Student business is dead for at least 10 years. No matter what,
What is funny is that NSW now thinks that "if QLD and others open the borders our tourism industry will survive!" That is so silly it has to be pointed at and laughed at.

Sorry. It won't. It is a silly concept. Just accept that the tourism, hospitality, etc industry is dead. It will recover over a decade or a decade and a half, but a few tens of thousands of QLDers travelling to NSW in their mobile homes and visiting Jenolan Caves is not going to have any meaningful impact on economical recovery.

See my post as a semi-sarcastic comment on the person that just lost a few million international tourists spending a lot of money
trying to convince themselves that getting a a few thousand cash-strapped QLDers (yes we are facing fuck high unemployment here in QLD) to come and spend some few dollars will have any kind of meaningful impact on any recovery.

Just face it, your tourism industry is dead for the next decade. So is ours.
fair enough. on these points I sadly agree. I work In tourism but mainly booking Australians internationally. I’m anticipating that takes a year to get back and years to get back to levels we had before.

Domestically is even worse sadly :(
 

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I don't think it will be dead for 10 years, maybe for 2. People will still want to go on holidays.

I went for a walk with the dog down the main street of Mornington today. It was packed. People queuing up outside of every restaurant, even Subway had a big line. The park also had lots of people in and there was lots of activity on the beach.
I don't think so.
I think it will be a lot longer than 2 years.
Remember that we are nowhere even close to the bottom yet.

For example, construction business, where a non-trivial amount of austrlaians work in, either directly, or as sub contractors or sub-sub-contractors or even just selling meat-pies-from-a-van-to-the-construction-crew.
They are still mostly employed because all these commercial, industrial and residential contracts thay have signed up to still needs to be completed.
But with uncertainty as it is today, you think a LOT of people, even people not yet affected, will pass on starting building their new house, office building, industrial warehouse?
It will still take months for the existing projects to complete but I am certain we will see at least a 75% drop in new construction jobs once the current projects finish. I see very little reason anyone would take the capital risks that real estate requires right now.
And that is not even considering the risks that YOU DO start a new big big construction project and then Scomo shuts down the construction work indefinitely because of a new outbreak.
Come August and I think just the huge uncertainty will mean construction will be down 75% or more. and 75% or more of the workers will be laid off.


I mean, would you borrow a million dollars to buy a piece of land and build a house this year? Considering at any given moment your site could be placed under indefinite lockdown? I wouldn't. Are you even 100% sure you will have a salary come August?
This is why construction will hurt in a month or two.
 

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fair enough. on these points I sadly agree. I work In tourism but mainly booking Australians internationally. I’m anticipating that takes a year to get back and years to get back to levels we had before.

Domestically is even worse sadly :(
There are no winners here.
If it makes anyone feel better, QLD will be hit harder and hurt more than most other states :-( But that is life. Overcome and rebuild.






And fuck Scomo.
 
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Fuck china and have the chinese in australia take a simple test to see who may stay i australia and who should be sent back to their shithole right away.


The tourism industry is already dead, flat-face, so your threat is empty.
 
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fair enough. on these points I sadly agree. I work In tourism but mainly booking Australians internationally. I’m anticipating that takes a year to get back and years to get back to levels we had before.

Domestically is even worse sadly :(
Genuinely surprised you’re not a barista
 

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Genuinely surprised you’re not a barista
True story.
My wife bought a new mid-size car this last weekend.
It got so bad she had to call me to spend 45min to drive into town.
Fucking retard salesman could not stop talking about how much better it was to buy it with financing. He just wouldn't give up.
I am mad as hell because why should it be so fucking hard to buy a car that my wife has to call me for help.

I tell the retard I want his manager and all. I go full Karen, balding as I am, We will pay this car cash or by bank transfer. Tell his retard salesguy to fuck off (I told the salesguy he should fuck off because retard to his face or I might punch him) or I would go across the street and buy the same car, just one year used from the Toyota lot.
And he folded. Once I smelled victory I demanded that the retard salesman would have to leave and be off the premises before I would sign any contracts or transfer any money.
They made him do it. It made me hard. I had super great sex with the wife when we got home. Would recommend.
I will continue keeping his face in my memory anytime I need to masturbate and want a target to aim at.
 
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look you know honestly

the biggest joke of Australian politics is most of the cities are the bloody same and most of the country is the same

we really aren’t that different we just get lied to by different politicians. City folk get lied to by identity politics bullshit and country folk by conservative firebrands.

most people who have lived in Australia for a while have similar views (or within bargaining reach of views) on almost every major issue this country has had for decades.

sadly both sides have wasted this for so many reasons
 

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look you know honestly

the biggest joke of Australian politics is most of the cities are the bloody same and most of the country is the same

we really aren’t that different we just get lied to by different politicians. City folk get lied to by identity politics bullshit and country folk by conservative firebrands.

most people who have lived in Australia for a while have similar views (or within bargaining reach of views) on almost every major issue this country has had for decades.

sadly both sides have wasted this for so many reasons
didn't you say once before you wanted to snap your finger and redistribute wealth
 
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didn't you say once before you wanted to snap your finger and redistribute wealth
I think most people are sick of them paying tons of taxes and working hard but getting fucked over while companies strip mine the country or its workers or gain full access to our markets without paying their fair share, yes
 
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I think most people are sick of them paying tons of taxes and working hard but getting fucked over while companies strip mine the country or its workers or gain full access to our markets without paying their fair share, yes
no. australia is the land of the fair go, not the fair share
 
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12 McDonalds are now closed due to wu-flu and BurgerKing/HungryJacks are still not poking fun at them via TV ads.
They are so weak over here.

In the US, BurgerKing always had super edgy commercials and never took themselves so serious.
Best and funniest was just a while after GoogleAssistant had launched as an Alexa competitor.
And BK started doing commericals with "Hey Google, what is a Whopper" and everyones Assistant would then start speaking out the card for the Whopper wikipedia articles in homes all across the US.
Of course they just edited the wikipedia article just before the ad aired for extra lols.
Took google an hour or so to blacklist the fingerprint of the ad and push it out to all the assistants.
What did BK do? They had planned for it so they just told all the channels to "switch to ad B" which had a different voice.

Awesome. Why will we never see something like that happen in australia?
If I ran BK I would have ads planned for tonight on all channels with "Here at BK you can only by whoppers. We don't have any BigCorona burgers".
 

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Yeah your fancy human rights documents are gonna mean diddly squat when we hamstring ourselves economically and allow China to ascend to global dominance on the back of slave labour.