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The California Senate Just Passed Single-Payer Health Care

F34R

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Sounds great without the "how". They don't know how they'll pay for it, and the projections of the cost of this alone are over twice the States entire 2016 budget. Yeah.
 

Brandon F

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The mere thought of never communicating with a health insurance company again makes me salivate, but we'll see how this pans out.
 

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And despite popular support with Democrat base, no Democrat in DC vocalizes support

They call for unity, but behind loser unpopular positions.

Hope this does well .

It's the only real solution for health care
 
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Considering there is a small coverage for dental and vision on Medi-Cal, it's no surprise. There are already some counties with up to or more than 50% covered by Medi-Cal. It's not bad coverage either. I've heard and read just as many gripes about private insurance, and their shear lack of responsiveness in a timely manner.

Secondly, Kaiser ain't going anywhere. They're still going to operate for the elitest who want to pay into a private insurance to get "better" coverage. Countries with national healthcare still have a large private industry.

Lastly, UC schools serve a huge need in the medical community. It would be great to have easier access to their specialists and facilities. Although it is still possible on Medi-Cal.
 

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Forgive the ignorance, but the payroll tax is the employer paid tax based off the employees income right?

Is that idea that the employer paying the 15% would be cheaper then them having to paid to provide healthcare for all employees through a company plan?
 

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I think all the people saying "it's too expensive" need to remember economies of scale and the current market setup. As things are, procedures and medicine are marked up in what's almost a racket between insurance companies, pharmaceuticals, and hospitals, so extrapolating current costs to a larger scale is a miscalculation. Also, as the supply of medicine increases, new facilities and manufacturing techniques will drive their costs down, making it more affordable for everyone.
 

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Wow...that came out of nowhere...does this mean as a Cali resident I don't have to pay anything for healthcare?

This question is for UK/Canada folks: I have heard that the UK/Canada SP system sucks because you have to wait for a long time for doctor appointments, surgery etc, since its run by govt. Any feedback from folks who live there. Is there any truth to this?
 

Fenderputty

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What does happen to private insurers in California? I can't imagine the state has the infrastructure to treat every California citizen.
 
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If the government has to pay for it citizens healthcare would that lead to prices in the healthcare industry lowering and being better regulated? (i.e. surgery, tests, medication)
 

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Wow...that came out of nowhere...does this mean as a Cali resident I don't have to pay anything for healthcare?

This question is for UK/Canada folks: I have heard that the UK/Canada SP system sucks because you have to wait for a long time for doctor appointments, surgery etc, since its run by govt. Any feedback from folks who live there. Is there any truth to this?

Unless I missed something, I saw single payer health care, not free healthcare?
 

iavi

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This also covers undocumented residents. It's not going anywhere in its current state
 
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I'm happy this is happening but remember that California has public propositions. Remember prop 8? I believe this will need 2/3rds majority to pass as well since it's a tax increase.
 

Ziltoidia 9

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If the government has to pay for it citizens healthcare would that lead to prices in the healthcare industry lowering and being better regulated? (i.e. surgery, tests, medication)

Thats my hope, and the reason I support national single payer. In the current industry, both providers and insurance companies are trying to get their massive profit off people. Its unsustainable and damages the country.
 
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I'm happy this is happening but remember that California has public propositions. Remember prop 8? I believe this will need 2/3rds majority to pass as well since it's a tax increase.

No, this is in the legislature. The vote in the legislature needs 2/3rds, yes.

Propositions aren't for voting on legislative actions, they are solely for the direct making of laws.
 

F34R

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There's two "hows" suggested already

I saw the suggestions... I'm saying it's too early to know what they'll even be able to do at this point. It sounds good as a headline, sure. Let's make sure they don't start limiting what services you can get, have to be approved for, etc.
 
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Will paste what I put in the other thread. Here is a way to track the bill:

https://www.billtrack50.com/BillDetail/830479

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180SB562

It's in Assembly and already read the first time. I don't think constituents need to vote for it, but if they did, it would be dead in the water in my opinion. However, gov Brown has been a little wary on it and he could veto it.

I'm personally for it because it would be a great guinea pig to see how it would work in the US and it's my state being the guinea pig. That's also how they got SP up north. IIRC SK or MB started it and then it got to the rest of the country at the federal level.

NY next please

Already passed assembly in NY and in the senate.

https://www.billtrack50.com/BillDetail/585581
 

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I look forward to single payer going into effect around the same time a Latino/Italian Jew from California is elected as president.

Lead the way California!
 

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br3wnor

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They already have it in Massachusetts. Passed by Mitt Romney!

Massachusetts is not single payer, it's basically Obamacare which has an individual mandate and subsidizes premiums, people still have to purchase insurance unless they're too poor than it's free (I think 150% of federal poverty level which is pretty poor)

Single payer is no one paying directly for health insurance and government covering all the costs. (No matter your income)
 

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If this happens we're gonna see unprecedented internal migration to California. This is a huge boon for the real estate and construction business.
 

Fenderputty

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I'm happy this is happening but remember that California has public propositions. Remember prop 8? I believe this will need 2/3rds majority to pass as well since it's a tax increase.

Dems have the 66% threshold in both assembly and senate


It probably won't be implemented overnight. ACA exchanges were phased in over 3+ years.

3 years ain't enough time to build that type of infrastructure

Edit: it looks kinda like the Sweden system ??? We would choose our insurer?
 
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A lot of California employers have great healthcare plans. If this gets implemented, it can drive talent out of the state. I don't see it happening.

Private coverage can coexist with single payer as additional benefits/coverage. So those companies can still offer coverage above the basic coverage this plan would have.
 

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Michael Lighty, policy director for the California Nurses Assn., put it bluntly: “You’ll never have to deal with an insurance company again.”

This is probably going to be a huge boon for the economy. Health insurance companies are a ridiculous waste of everyone's money.
 

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Maybe I'm missing something here... heck I'm sure I am.

but couldn't this create more jobs? With more Hospitals/Heath Centers (or whatever they are called)

but I'm stuck at who would pay them. Taxes couldn't cover it.
 

NoRéN

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I've said it before:

We tried several times to give these mouth breathing fuck heads universal health care and they responded by calling us liberal pussies.

So let's just have it for ourselves and they can live in their libertarian neo Christian dystopia that they crave so dearly.

Fuck them, we tried.
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majik13

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Maybe I'm missing something here... heck I'm sure I am.

but couldn't this create more jobs? With more Hospitals/Heath Centers (or whatever they are called)

but I'm stuck at who would pay them. Taxes couldn't cover it.

weed tax?
 
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Good for them. Hopefully this will come to be. It just blows my mind that America's health system is how it is. I live in Canada and shit like this makes me realize how much I take our healthcare system for granted. The thought of being injured or sick and not going to the hospital out of fear for exorbitant medical bills... blegh.
 

nel e nel

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If it can get through the legislature, the governor and then we vote on it.

Then additional funding has to come from the federal government to allow us to use the Medicare funds for the entire system since it's all one system now.

So there's a few hurdles, all money related, of course.

The article covers a lot of the good questions. The important stuff at the bottom, retraining for those who lose their job, is important.

Once we eventually switch to single-payer, a shit ton of health insurance jobs are going to go out the window since it's a corrupt fucking industry. Those people will need new jobs.

How do you rehabilitate corrupt insurance brokers?
 

XMonkey

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More confirmation of our best state status.

A lot of California employers have great healthcare plans. If this gets implemented, it can drive talent out of the state. I don't see it happening.
Or it could have the opposite effect. Wild idea.

I wonder if it will ever pass voters. At least anecdotally people cringe at any increase of tax for any reason.
Considering we just passed a proposition to raise our own gas taxes to pay for better infrastructure I'm not so sure it's that tough of a sell.