They'll just call it a reconciliation bill. It's budget neutral because no state has yet implemented a Single-Payer Healthcare plan.
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The California Senate Just Passed Single-Payer Health Care
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They'll just call it a reconciliation bill. It's budget neutral because no state has yet implemented a Single-Payer Healthcare plan.
Fenderputty
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It has to be budget related for reconciliation.
boiled goose
good with gravy
And despite popular support with Democrat base, no Democrat in DC vocalizes support
They call for unity, but behind loser unpopular positions.
Hope this does well .
It's the only real solution for health care
They call for unity, but behind loser unpopular positions.
Hope this does well .
It's the only real solution for health care
Fenderputty
Banned
There's two "hows" suggested already
Eye for an Eye
Member
Considering there is a small coverage for dental and vision on Medi-Cal, it's no surprise. There are already some counties with up to or more than 50% covered by Medi-Cal. It's not bad coverage either. I've heard and read just as many gripes about private insurance, and their shear lack of responsiveness in a timely manner.
Secondly, Kaiser ain't going anywhere. They're still going to operate for the elitest who want to pay into a private insurance to get "better" coverage. Countries with national healthcare still have a large private industry.
Lastly, UC schools serve a huge need in the medical community. It would be great to have easier access to their specialists and facilities. Although it is still possible on Medi-Cal.
Secondly, Kaiser ain't going anywhere. They're still going to operate for the elitest who want to pay into a private insurance to get "better" coverage. Countries with national healthcare still have a large private industry.
Lastly, UC schools serve a huge need in the medical community. It would be great to have easier access to their specialists and facilities. Although it is still possible on Medi-Cal.
ScottSullivan
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Forgive the ignorance, but the payroll tax is the employer paid tax based off the employees income right?
Is that idea that the employer paying the 15% would be cheaper then them having to paid to provide healthcare for all employees through a company plan?
Is that idea that the employer paying the 15% would be cheaper then them having to paid to provide healthcare for all employees through a company plan?
I think all the people saying "it's too expensive" need to remember economies of scale and the current market setup. As things are, procedures and medicine are marked up in what's almost a racket between insurance companies, pharmaceuticals, and hospitals, so extrapolating current costs to a larger scale is a miscalculation. Also, as the supply of medicine increases, new facilities and manufacturing techniques will drive their costs down, making it more affordable for everyone.
TrojanBlade
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Wow...that came out of nowhere...does this mean as a Cali resident I don't have to pay anything for healthcare?
This question is for UK/Canada folks: I have heard that the UK/Canada SP system sucks because you have to wait for a long time for doctor appointments, surgery etc, since its run by govt. Any feedback from folks who live there. Is there any truth to this?
This question is for UK/Canada folks: I have heard that the UK/Canada SP system sucks because you have to wait for a long time for doctor appointments, surgery etc, since its run by govt. Any feedback from folks who live there. Is there any truth to this?
Fenderputty
Banned
What does happen to private insurers in California? I can't imagine the state has the infrastructure to treat every California citizen.
quickwhips
Member
They will become state employees probably.
Username1198
Member
First weeds legal and now healthcare. Amazing. So the weed taxes can pay for insurance costs?
The Last Wizard
Member
If the government has to pay for it citizens healthcare would that lead to prices in the healthcare industry lowering and being better regulated? (i.e. surgery, tests, medication)
superdeluxe
Member
Unless I missed something, I saw single payer health care, not free healthcare?
Brawly Likes to Brawl
Member
Good. Red states wanting to drag everyone else down should be no excuse not to fight for people's lives.
titiklabingapat
Member
I'm happy this is happening but remember that California has public propositions. Remember prop 8? I believe this will need 2/3rds majority to pass as well since it's a tax increase.
superdeluxe
Member
$$$$$$$
gunslikewhoa
Member
Tell that to Medicaid/Medicare.
Ziltoidia 9
Member
Thats my hope, and the reason I support national single payer. In the current industry, both providers and insurance companies are trying to get their massive profit off people. Its unsustainable and damages the country.
It probably won't be implemented overnight. ACA exchanges were phased in over 3+ years.
StopMakingSense
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No, this is in the legislature. The vote in the legislature needs 2/3rds, yes.
Propositions aren't for voting on legislative actions, they are solely for the direct making of laws.
StopMakingSense
Member
I saw the suggestions... I'm saying it's too early to know what they'll even be able to do at this point. It sounds good as a headline, sure. Let's make sure they don't start limiting what services you can get, have to be approved for, etc.
entremet
Member
They already have it in Massachusetts. Passed by Mitt Romney!
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
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Will paste what I put in the other thread. Here is a way to track the bill:
https://www.billtrack50.com/BillDetail/830479
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180SB562
It's in Assembly and already read the first time. I don't think constituents need to vote for it, but if they did, it would be dead in the water in my opinion. However, gov Brown has been a little wary on it and he could veto it.
I'm personally for it because it would be a great guinea pig to see how it would work in the US and it's my state being the guinea pig. That's also how they got SP up north. IIRC SK or MB started it and then it got to the rest of the country at the federal level.
Already passed assembly in NY and in the senate.
https://www.billtrack50.com/BillDetail/585581
https://www.billtrack50.com/BillDetail/830479
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180SB562
It's in Assembly and already read the first time. I don't think constituents need to vote for it, but if they did, it would be dead in the water in my opinion. However, gov Brown has been a little wary on it and he could veto it.
I'm personally for it because it would be a great guinea pig to see how it would work in the US and it's my state being the guinea pig. That's also how they got SP up north. IIRC SK or MB started it and then it got to the rest of the country at the federal level.
Already passed assembly in NY and in the senate.
https://www.billtrack50.com/BillDetail/585581
The Last Wizard
Member
Are mental/cognitive services covered as well?
LegendofJoe
Member
I look forward to single payer going into effect around the same time a Latino/Italian Jew from California is elected as president.
Lead the way California!
Lead the way California!
Massachusetts is not single payer, it's basically Obamacare which has an individual mandate and subsidizes premiums, people still have to purchase insurance unless they're too poor than it's free (I think 150% of federal poverty level which is pretty poor)
Single payer is no one paying directly for health insurance and government covering all the costs. (No matter your income)
healthcare is illegal? ....oh shit...
Fenderputty
Banned
Dems have the 66% threshold in both assembly and senate
3 years ain't enough time to build that type of infrastructure
Edit: it looks kinda like the Sweden system ??? We would choose our insurer?
Godzilla's Left Toe
Member
Andrew get it done!!!!!!!!!!!! (after we fully take back the State Legislature)
StopMakingSense
Member
Private coverage can coexist with single payer as additional benefits/coverage. So those companies can still offer coverage above the basic coverage this plan would have.
If Republicans could get away with it........
weed tax?
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
Banned
1 D voted against it in the senate, that's enough to break the supermajority.
Mattakuevan
Member
Fuck yeah, lets do this Cali.
Hazardous Metal
Member
Good for them. Hopefully this will come to be. It just blows my mind that America's health system is how it is. I live in Canada and shit like this makes me realize how much I take our healthcare system for granted. The thought of being injured or sick and not going to the hospital out of fear for exorbitant medical bills... blegh.
Fenderputty
Banned
True, but that's better than needing an R to flip
Robdraggoo
Member
Can a stAte pull out of Medicare?
superdeluxe
Member
And many doctors either cap them or won't take them at all, because reimbursement is so low
How do you rehabilitate corrupt insurance brokers?
Ok? I just used it as an example. If it passes, there'll be a plan for implementation.
More confirmation of our best state status.
Or it could have the opposite effect. Wild idea.
Considering we just passed a proposition to raise our own gas taxes to pay for better infrastructure I'm not so sure it's that tough of a sell.
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