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The completive dynamic of fewer than expected PS3's (What a graphic!)

Actually a pretty unique and focused take on the issue and he backed it up with a flow chart!

http://biz.yahoo.com/seekingalpha/061215/22496_id.html?.v=1

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It's Game Time: Game Console and Software Stock Update
Friday December 15, 3:02 am ET

Todd Mitchell (Kaufman Bros.) submits: A roundup of recent news relating to game console makers and gaming software publishers:

# There is significant evidence of slower-than-expected PS3 deployment. KBRO Retail [Consumer Electronics] Analyst SooAnn Roberts' channel checks indicate that Sony (NYSE: SNE - News) would need to dramatically increase its shipments of PS3 to retailers to reach its goal of one million by year-end. There is also evidence of low initial PS3 tie-ratios, due to the robust secondary market prolonging the time before many PS3s reach the end consumer.

# Total displaced PS3 sales are greater than the hardware shortage. We estimate that for every 100,000 PS3's, Sony is short $70 million and unsatisfied consumer demand is created. In all likelihood, the shortfall versus consumer expectations is probably much higher than Ms. Robert's estimates for Sony's shortfall, as Sony could never satisfy initial demand, so the actual number of disappointed PS3 consumers is likely much greater than this shortfall.

# The primary beneficiary of lower-than-expected PS3 sales is Sony. Not only will it cut its losses on the heavily subsidized PS3, we believe relatively few disappointed PS3 customers are opting for an Microsoft (NASDAQ: MSFT - News) Xbox 360 or Nintendo Wii instead. We think that displaced PS3 dollars are going first to purchase more PS2 software, and then out into the broader CE market. In particular, we think the handhelds are receiving a fair amount of displaced PS3 consumption.

# The Xbox 360 is reaching critical mass regardless of the PS3. We believe lower PS3 sales are having a marginally positive impact on Xbox 360 sales, particularly in Europe where the PS3 is not yet available. We think Microsoft will have 10 million Xbox 360 deployed by year-end, which would create a market with sufficient depth to support $100 million in Xbox 360 releases.

# Nintendo's success is independent of PS3 market dynamics. Some disappointed PS3 consumers may buy a Wii this holiday season, but we do not think this is the overriding dynamic. The success of the Wii stands on its own. We suspect the larger impact of displaced PS3 sales on Nintendo will be higher DS volumes to go into the stocking next to the extra PS2 titles.

# PS2 and Xbox 360 titles will be the dominant sellers. The soft launch of the PS3 has reinvigorated PS2 software sales and the Xbox 360 is reaching critical mass. With Nintendo dominating initial software sales for the Wii, the PS2 and Xbox 360 offer the biggest markets for third-party publishers. At this stage of the cycle most PS2 users have an extensive library of games, so hit titles are likely to dominate sales disproportionately.

# Activision (NASDAQ: ATVI - News) and THQ (NASDAQ: THQI - News) are best positioned for a PS3 shortfall. Activision has a focused release slate that is likely to do well in the PS2 and Xbox 360 markets. THQ has WWE and heavy exposure to handhelds, and both have established a toe-hold on the Wii. This holiday season EA (NASDAQ: ERTS - News) looks overextended and in the wrong areas, while Take-Two appears to be all but absent.

# Heavy investment in PS3 development is not likely to pay off this year. Lower-than-expected PS3 hardware sales mean lower PS3 software sales. If the secondary market for PS3 does not cool down and tie ratios don't start to improve, we believe the total market for PS3 software this year could be well under $100 million. EA is the most exposed to the PS3 at launch, while Take-Two's valuation is built on its future success.

# Extrapolating 2007 gains misses full dynamic of PS3 shortfall. The recent sell off in EA and run up in Activision's and THQ's shares tells us that investors are extrapolating market share shifts into 2008. This is also implicit in both company's guidance. However, we believe share gains are reflective of dynamics specific to this market, specifically a deep, but narrow market for PS2 and Xbox 360, that is resulting in a winner take all market for a few hit titles.
 
Datrio said:
Somebody explain the diagram in less than two sentences, pls :(
lack of ps3's had a positive/negative effect on the universe of video games.

i think :X
 
Yellow dot = predicted gain due to PS3's nonexistance.

I disagree though. I think the 360 is going to gain a lot of traction in the post holiday season. Its going to look awfully attractive during PS3's game drought, a price drop anytime soon could set Sony back BIG time. As for the Wii, hell if I know.
 
sonycowboy said:
# The primary beneficiary of lower-than-expected PS3 sales is Sony. Not only will it cut its losses on the heavily subsidized PS3, we believe relatively few disappointed PS3 customers are opting for an Microsoft Xbox 360 or Nintendo Wii instead. We think that displaced PS3 dollars are going first to purchase more PS2 software, and then out into the broader CE market. In particular, we think the handhelds are receiving a fair amount of displaced PS3 consumption.
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So people are going to buy more PS2s because there isn't enough PS3s? I would have thought the people who want to buy the PS3s are people who already have PS2s
 
Datrio said:
Somebody explain the diagram in less than two sentences, pls :(

Nintendo and Microsoft will see only a slight benefit from the Playstation 3 shortages this Holiday season, while Sony itself will reap large dividends with potential PS3 customers resorting to PS2, PSP, and other consumer electronic purchases. Publishers who are invested heavily in the PS3 as a launch platform are screwed and will not recoup their expenses until much later in the console's cycle, possible 2008.
 
How come the Wii has 2005 Holiday Sales
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The diagram basically show that what happen to other stuff when the PS3 shortage occured earlier(The yellow outward circle). So as you can see it doesn't really effect 360 or Wii.

Still how the **** someone get a Wii in holiday 2005.

P.S. What the hell is CE?
 
Xellotah said:
So people are going to buy more PS2s because there isn't enough PS3s? I would have thought the people who want to buy the PS3s are people who already have PS2s
We think that displaced PS3 dollars are going first to purchase more PS2 software, and then out into the broader CE market.
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Xellotah said:
So people are going to buy more PS2s because there isn't enough PS3s? I would have thought the people who want to buy the PS3s are people who already have PS2s

well, according to this chart, Sony is trying to get NEW and UNTAPPED markets to buy a PS3, and not their existing PS2 userba.... ah, **** it.
 
sonycowboy said:
Guys, this really isn't that hard to understand. Is it??


Hell naw. Not for me. It saying that Sony (money) wise actually benefitted the most from the lack of PS3s in the market. Because the rise of PS2 and PSP sales, they made more money from those systems being that they are not lose leaders.

And the fact that they sold less PS3s means less money per system sold. So in the end Sony probably fixed this bullshit shortage to save a few dollars.
 
I wonder if the Online PS3 gameretag reservation for Europe will help some 2007 PS3 sales over here. I thought it would only be a site with the reservation function but instead anyone who has ever been on a Sony newsletter of any kind got mails about it over here it seems. Got mine today (though I registrated yesterday thanks to NeoGAF).
 
mckmas8808 said:
And the fact that they sold less PS3s means less money per system sold. So in the end Sony probably fixed this bullshit shortage to save a few dollars.

And risk creating a market in which third parties won't be able to generate revenue on Sony's console until 2008? Doesn't sound likely.
 
this doesn't take into account the damage caused to Sony by delaying the start of their volume sales.

That'll affect how quickly they can recoup, how quickly they can catch up with MS

IMO all thats way more important than 'oh well they'll sell more PS2 games'
 
mrklaw said:
this doesn't take into account the damage caused to Sony by delaying the start of their volume sales.

That'll affect how quickly they can recoup, how quickly they can catch up with MS

IMO all thats way more important than 'oh well they'll sell more PS2 games'

But MS has already reached "Critical Mass"...

(Yes, please, someone explain this to me, still.)
 
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