The conditions of the most "progressive" and "Inclusive" states/cities are horrible.

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Now since the mid 2000's we have had a lot of uh. freedom, social, love, we can do anything we want, pro-drug, etc. movements. All of which have been put under the label of Progressive, SJW, Inclusive, Equality, etc.

However this is clearly not working. Some areas, they have been pushing a lot of these things for decades, and no one thing has improved or gotten better because of it.

Most of the most inclusive, Progressive, so called pro-rights states and cities are among the worst conditions in the country. Heavy on crime, violent, corruption, drugs, high suicide rates, homelessness, dependent on government, disease, collapsing local economies despite some of these areas being among the biggest money makers in the country, failing or deteriorating infrastructure, lack of jobs, low pay, power intelligence, lack of morality, poor critical thinking, higher child abuse in most categories, pro-illegal, etc. etc. etc.

Constantly the media or politicians will put these areas on a pedestal, but people have been moving away from these areas at a much higher rate than they would lead you to believe. Though they continue to push the same nonsense spreading this infection around. They say these ideas are the future and that it will lead to some kind of equal full rights, paradise that just isn't materializing. After all these years it's time to admit that nothing any of these people are doing or promoting is working. Things aren't getting better, they are getting worse.

On paper, few of these ideas would lead to strong jobs, families, economy, morality, better infrastructure, the ones that do could work, but we've seen generations and generations of incompetent individuals, more so each generation, continuing to push this same garbage. Look at the results today, people don't WANT to move to many areas of CA anymore or NY outside closed off areas for rich people. We have overly emotional groups attacking people in the street for these ideals that have crumbled communities across the county. Incompetence will never be acknowledged because everyone wants to be part of a hide, leading to a lack of self-awareness so they think they are doing nothing wrong and they are the people that will lead to this imaginary paradise and will lead the country to prosperity.

However, none of this works. Big media and politicians know this and are only in it because they can manipulate millions off the general population. But now even they realize things are becoming worse. So again, the question becomes why are people continuing to push for things like it will lead to a better nations when we have decades of evidence it doesn't work? It's time to admit a side is wrong so we can rebuilt and change course.
 
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"Things are getting worse". Ok, but in comparison to when? Because if you go ask the old man that had to work in the coal mines for over 12 hours a day in order to be able to afford to eat meat once a month he'll tell you things are much better now than before.
 

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"Things are getting worse". Ok, but in comparison to when?
You're downplaying, a good chunk of these cities/states were objectively better in many areas of measurement just 15 years ago. It's an issue that people are starting to actually admit though not really address. Look at the NY debate on the issue from last year.
 

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What a weird and jumbled OP.

You haven't established that progressive and inclusive policies have led to those cities being horrible. You just rant. Some of the problems you list appear to be caused simply by population, some by nimbyism and others it could be argued have be caused by America's horrible welfare system.
 

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As a child, I dreamed of living in Toronto. Everything seemed situated there so why not make it a permanent residence?

Fast forward to 2018 and it's garbage. Bob Marley said it best in one his songs. Cities are concrete jungles.
 
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San Francisco literally has human shit all over its streets, it's fucking disgusting and I'll never set foot there.
Cities appear to be full of soulless robots who only exist to consume and leave behind waste.

As you begin to travel outside to more remote towns and villages, the amount of hospitality and friendliness increases.
 
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Cities appear to be full of soulless robots who only exist to consume and leave behind waste.

As you begin to travel outside to more smaller towns and villages, the amount of hospitality and friendliness increases.
Actually, no. The U.S. is not like that. There's wild variance between states and locations within them. It's about the culture. There's no blanket.
 
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OP can you establish what you mean by progressive and how exactly that causes the conditions you have also yet to identify? The whole thing is kind of incoherent.

Now since the mid 2000's we have had a lot of uh. freedom, social, love, we can do anything we want, pro-drug, etc. movements.
Some areas, they have been pushing a lot of these things for decades
What?

For instance, you say that "progressive" states (whatever that means) are violent. What led you to come to this conclusion and what exactly are you blaming?

Disease? Again what is your metric? This is a forum for sharing, discussing and debating information. So let's see your information, not just your ideas.

Suicide rates? Once again what is your metric and what are you connecting suicide to? Are people killing themselves over gay marriage? High taxes? Chinese tariffs?

Things aren't getting better, they are getting worse.
This is so vague and uninformative... reading through the responses people are just filling in the blanks with their own preconceived notions. This thread has a very oldmanyellsatclouds.png

It's time to admit a side is wrong so we can rebuilt and change course.
And finally we get to the crux of your rant, some sort of moral grandstanding of your views and your "side."
 
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Now since the mid 2000's we have had a lot of uh. freedom, social, love, we can do anything we want, pro-drug, etc. movements. All of which have been put under the label of Progressive, SJW, Inclusive, Equality, etc.

However this is clearly not working. Some areas, they have been pushing a lot of these things for decades, and no one thing has improved or gotten better because of it.

Most of the most inclusive, Progressive, so called pro-rights states and cities are among the worst conditions in the country. Heavy on crime, violent, corruption, drugs, high suicide rates, homelessness, dependent on government, disease, collapsing local economies despite some of these areas being among the biggest money makers in the country, failing or deteriorating infrastructure, lack of jobs, low pay, power intelligence, lack of morality, poor critical thinking, higher child abuse in most categories, pro-illegal, etc. etc. etc.

Constantly the media or politicians will put these areas on a pedestal, but people have been moving away from these areas at a much higher rate than they would lead you to believe. Though they continue to push the same nonsense spreading this infection around. They say these ideas are the future and that it will lead to some kind of equal full rights, paradise that just isn't materializing. After all these years it's time to admit that nothing any of these people are doing or promoting is working. Things aren't getting better, they are getting worse.

On paper, few of these ideas would lead to strong jobs, families, economy, morality, better infrastructure, the ones that do could work, but we've seen generations and generations of incompetent individuals, more so each generation, continuing to push this same garbage. Look at the results today, people don't WANT to move to many areas of CA anymore or NY outside closed off areas for rich people. We have overly emotional groups attacking people in the street for these ideals that have crumbled communities across the county. Incompetence will never be acknowledged because everyone wants to be part of a hide, leading to a lack of self-awareness so they think they are doing nothing wrong and they are the people that will lead to this imaginary paradise and will lead the country to prosperity.

However, none of this works. Big media and politicians know this and are only in it because they can manipulate millions off the general population. But now even they realize things are becoming worse. So again, the question becomes why are people continuing to push for things like it will lead to a better nations when we have decades of evidence it doesn't work? It's time to admit a side is wrong so we can rebuilt and change course.

The best solution is to leave these places and migrate to better ones with better policies. I always wanted to go to Disneyland in Anaheim, and maybe cruise through Los Angeles and Hollywood. Not anymore. Those places have decayed so badly that Disney has installed benches with spikes on them outside the parks so the homeless people have to sleep under them! Hollywood smells like piss and garbage is everywhere. Lingering pot smoke and human bodily waste will be the first things to greet you when you step onto Hollywood Blvd. LA looks very run down and scary.

I’ll stick with Disney World and Hollywood Studios thank you very much!
 
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Most of the most inclusive, Progressive, so called pro-rights states and cities are among the worst conditions in the country. Heavy on crime, violent, corruption, drugs, high suicide rates, homelessness, dependent on government, disease, collapsing local economies despite some of these areas being among the biggest money makers in the country, failing or deteriorating infrastructure, lack of jobs, low pay, power intelligence, lack of morality, poor critical thinking, higher child abuse in most categories, pro-illegal, etc. etc. etc.
Can I get some examples of this?
 
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Now since the mid 2000's we have had a lot of uh. freedom, social, love, we can do anything we want, pro-drug, etc. movements. All of which have been put under the label of Progressive, SJW, Inclusive, Equality, etc.

However this is clearly not working. Some areas, they have been pushing a lot of these things for decades, and no one thing has improved or gotten better because of it.

Most of the most inclusive, Progressive, so called pro-rights states and cities are among the worst conditions in the country. Heavy on crime, violent, corruption, drugs, high suicide rates, homelessness, dependent on government, disease, collapsing local economies despite some of these areas being among the biggest money makers in the country, failing or deteriorating infrastructure, lack of jobs, low pay, power intelligence, lack of morality, poor critical thinking, higher child abuse in most categories, pro-illegal, etc. etc. etc.

Constantly the media or politicians will put these areas on a pedestal, but people have been moving away from these areas at a much higher rate than they would lead you to believe. Though they continue to push the same nonsense spreading this infection around. They say these ideas are the future and that it will lead to some kind of equal full rights, paradise that just isn't materializing. After all these years it's time to admit that nothing any of these people are doing or promoting is working. Things aren't getting better, they are getting worse.

On paper, few of these ideas would lead to strong jobs, families, economy, morality, better infrastructure, the ones that do could work, but we've seen generations and generations of incompetent individuals, more so each generation, continuing to push this same garbage. Look at the results today, people don't WANT to move to many areas of CA anymore or NY outside closed off areas for rich people. We have overly emotional groups attacking people in the street for these ideals that have crumbled communities across the county. Incompetence will never be acknowledged because everyone wants to be part of a hide, leading to a lack of self-awareness so they think they are doing nothing wrong and they are the people that will lead to this imaginary paradise and will lead the country to prosperity.

However, none of this works. Big media and politicians know this and are only in it because they can manipulate millions off the general population. But now even they realize things are becoming worse. So again, the question becomes why are people continuing to push for things like it will lead to a better nations when we have decades of evidence it doesn't work? It's time to admit a side is wrong so we can rebuilt and change course.
No links to reports, or references to back up this post.
Another typical "anti-liberul" thread that promotes opinion as fact...

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn.
 
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I would like some examples or sources from the OP to back up his claims at the very least...
I mean if the human shitstained, homeless riddled and drug needled flooded streets of portland or sanfran isnt enough which is 100% the fault of democrats and NO ONE else, with low IQ geniuses as Ted Wheeler who literally enacted laws based on feels with the predicted and warned result of importing all homeless and all the drug gangs.
Or how about that almost every ghetto is in democrat control or that democrats actively care more about illegals with their sanctuary crap than legal citizens because in the future they are a sure bet vote when they get voted to become citizens again large scale as it will happen again.
Or cali which has been in democrat control forever and has the biggest income inequality meaning if you are not among the 1% silicon vally and hollywood leeches and still vote democrat you might as well be clinically brain dead.
Its not a shock people are leaving for places like texas and its also no shock those same people get insulted and told to piss off.. because when those people bail on the consequences of their own votes for democrats and then still not learn and continue vote democrat in their new homes they deserve to get bullied lol people that leave and got a clue and stopped voting democrat in their new conservative homes are welcome.
 
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Well, it makes sense.

Most progressives are young, so will be renting in large cities whilst they work on their screenplay that will never be made.
 
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In a digital age I think more people need to find a way that they can work from home or remotely in beautiful rural areas and stay out of the big cities. I lived in Toronto for a short time and hated it. I live in wine country now and it is beautiful, I have a 3 bedroom house that was WAY less expensive than a 1 bedroom condo would be in Toronto. Worse nightlife for sure but there is no gang violence in wine country that I have detected. Every time I go to Toronto to enjoy the benefits it provides I am always taken back by how dirty and smelly the whole cesspool is. Cramming too many people in one area is going to be a disaster if it is run by buffoons.
 
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Sorry but considering this is coming from the same person who was claiming that Ebola in Africa is an inside job (and provided no proof btw of that claim) I am gonna have to take this thread with grain of salt unless you can provide some links and references.
 
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I mean if the human shitstained, homeless riddled and drug needled flooded streets of portland or sanfran isnt enough which is 100% the fault of democrats and NO ONE else, with low IQ geniuses as Ted Wheeler who literally enacted laws based on feels with the predicted and warned result of importing all homeless and all the drug gangs.
Or how about that almost every ghetto is in democrat control or that democrats actively care more about illegals with their sanctuary crap than legal citizens because in the future they are a sure bet vote when they get voted to become citizens again large scale as it will happen again.
Or cali which has been in democrat control forever and has the biggest income inequality meaning if you are not among the 1% silicon vally and hollywood leeches and still vote democrat you might as well be clinically brain dead.
Its not a shock people are leaving for places like texas and its also no shock those same people get insulted and told to piss off.. because when those people bail on the consequences of their own votes for democrats and then still not learn and continue vote democrat in their new homes they deserve to get bullied lol people that leave and got a clue and stopped voting democrat in their new conservative homes are welcome.
Correlation does not equal causation. I don't think this simple 2 step conclusion works out in favor of conservatives when you consider which states are the least productive, least educated and least prosperous. So, how exactly are the homeless in Portland the fault of Democratic laws and policies? Taxes too high? Not enough social spending? Too much immigration? Let's discuss facts, not feelings, so please, put aside your usual rant about how Democrats are low IQ and stupid.
 
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I have lived in both mega Diversitopias (Berlin, Toronto, London, Sydney), and sub 1000 soul villages. Born and raised in a small town. Presently living in a ten thousand pop town. The big cities in the western world for the most part are very samey, the globo-gomorrahs outside of their depressed remnants of native people and culture, are unidentifiable multicultural wastelands that have stark contrasts between the neighborhoods of the haves and have nots. A modern western city, is nothing but a playground for the rich and uncomfortable increasing proximity for the rest. The middle class and even in some cities, the upper middle class can nary afford the benefits of said urban living. The blue collar working class and poor are completely fked and cities everywhere are morphing into a famous picture of a rio de janeiro favela, that displayed a cardboard shanty town beside a sprawling glassed high rise condo, with a 30ft wall inbetween them and barbed wire on top, you know, cause just in case.

I got sick of cities and especially the SWPL liberals that dwell in the areas I lived, same libberygoup and virtue signaling, same logos and mantras, same progressive bumper stickers, same museums filled with the same ugly and deviant modern art, same murals with same celebrate diversity propaganda, same restaurants, same tees with same shit-tier graphics, same apartment/condo glass-encased architecture, same local papers written in the same snarky activist prose, same craft breweries, same clubs and pubs, same faux dingy music venues, same overpriced "indie" cinemas, same vintage shops serving the same shaggy clientele, same cost of living that kills saving accounts, retirement, fertility and family formation, same pride parades, same use of euphemisms and language so as not to seem racist ("we moved because of the better schools!" ya right), same cab and uber drivers, same entitled, useless master degreed 4th wave feminists, with same chips on their shoulders, and same orbiter lapdogs that bite at any perceived social transgressions.

Rural living is paradise in comparison. Although I concede many like all the sameness..
 
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And conversely, the most anti-inclusive and anti-progressive red states are crippled with drugs, poverty, crime and sucking up government funding from the big beautiful blue states.
Wait, hold on a second.

I'm always told Red States are "crime ridden poor places", but how exactly do they have more crime or drugs than progressive cities like San Francisco or New York?

In fact, it's more interesting when you look at this map that breaks it down by counties:

Dark Red indicates the poorest areas.


Even if you look at just Texas, you can see all the darker red areas are where people voted Democrat.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_United_States_Senate_election_in_Texas



There are more patterns that point out poverty and crime are not just a Red/Blue issue. For example, we do know for a fact that wealth differs on average among races.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

A state that has a higher white population is more likely to be richer than states whose population are mostly hispanic or black.
While Southern States vote Red, they still contain relatively higher black populations.
 
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Wait, hold on a second.

I'm always told Red States are "crime ridden poor places", but how exactly do they have more crime or drugs than progressive cities like San Francisco or New York?

In fact, it's more interesting when you look at this map that breaks it down by counties:

Dark Red indicates the poorest areas.


Even if you look at just Texas, you can see all the darker red areas are where people voted Democrat.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_United_States_Senate_election_in_Texas

Republican controlled states do an especially poor job in mitigating or raising the poor out of poverty through things like state funding and assistance programs. Texas is only the 14th lowest. Pick your framing, pick your incompetence (city vs states vs district etc). Nevermind how OP's diatribe on poverty and crime within cities completely ignores the context of systemic racism and redlining and the effects of generational poverty, which I'm sure are all "imaginary and just excuses" in his bootstrap bullshit world where the luck of who you're born to and the color of your skin apparently plays next to no role in your success.
 

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Republican controlled states do an especially poor job in mitigating or raising the poor out of poverty through things like state funding and assistance programs. Texas is only the 14th lowest. Pick your framing, pick your incompetence (city vs states vs district etc). Nevermind how OP's diatribe on poverty and crime within cities completely ignores the context of systemic racism and redlining and the effects of generational poverty, which I'm sure are all "imaginary and just excuses" in his bootstrap bullshit world where the luck of who you're born to and the color of your skin apparently plays next to no role in your success.
I do not believe "racism" makes people poor. Or commit more crime.

I posted this in my edit:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

Highest income earners in America are actually Indians followed by Jews. Do you believe both groups are treated equally by Whites?
 
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I do not believe "racism" makes people poor. Or commit crime.

I posted this in my edit:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

Highest income earners in America are actually Indians followed by Jews. Do you believe both groups are treated equally by Whites?
If white people won't hire you into a well paying job, or pay you less, it makes you poor.
If white people don't let you rent in nice areas, or buy houses in nice areas, that deprives you of typical house inflation profits.
If you can't get a loan from a bank due to being the wrong skin color and thus labeling you "high risk," that ruins your financial freedom.
If you don't believe racism like this created poverty for generation after generation of black people than you know next to nothing about how racism functions in a capitalist society. People love talking about compound interest but then deny how deeply wealth is associated with generational factors.

Jews had a financial support system in America from their fellow immigrants. They have a positive financial stereotype associated with banking and wealth, which was beneficial for them in a profit driven society. Indians who come to America are already largely educated, experienced and have some substantial wealth to begin with. I.E. poor uneducated Indians don't make it to America. They were also an incredibly small population up until the 2000s so a collective racism "against" them didn't developed in nearly the same way it has for black Americans. We didn't fight a civil war over Indian or Jewish slavery, and thus had half the country continually thinking they were violent rapist livestock for multiple generations/centuries.
 
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If white people won't hire you into a well paying job, or pay you less, it makes you poor.
This assumes White people are somehow the gatekeepers to making people rich. If you look around the world, there are both rich and poor white countries.
Now take a look at non-white countries and what pattern exists? It can't be just racism since there exists rich non-white countries as well as poor ones.

For as long as I can remember, I have almost never seen Indian or Jewish immigrants rely on White businesses to be successful. Other than running a franchise, they almost always control and hire their own people.


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If white people don't let you rent in nice areas, or buy houses in nice areas, that deprives you of typical house inflation profits.
What determines a nice area? Are you saying only neighborhoods where white people live are nice?


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If you can't get a loan from a bank due to being the wrong skin color and thus labeling you "high risk," that ruins your financial freedom.
Show me examples of someone being denied a loan straight up because they were black?

I'm just going to point to facts again and show you that Black Americans fall within the average of making less income than other races.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

Now, how can you expect loans to be given out without considering the risk of being unable to pay them back?


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If you don't believe racism can create poverty within a minority group than you know next to nothing about how racism functions.
Black Americans actually make a lot more money than any other nation with significant black populations.
In all your examples, you seem to pin lack of black success on the fact that either whites are holding them hostage or because they're not living next to them.

Liberia and Ethiopia are two of the oldest countries where blacks ran their own nations without white rule or colonization. Today, the lack of white presence hasn't made them any more rich, than blacks living in the U.S.

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Jews had a financial support system in America from their fellow immigrants. They have a positive financial stereotype associated with banking and wealth, which was beneficial for them in a profit driven society. Indians who come to America are already largely educated, experienced and have some substantial wealth to begin with. I.E. poor uneducated Indians don't make it to America.
So what is the explanation that even Hispanics or Amerindians are still on average more successful than Black Americans? Am I suppose to believe Mexico's education system is better than America's?

Also, at some point the argument that all Indians or Jews are immigrants is going to expire. Mass immigration to the U.S actually began in the 1960s. There is or already has been a generation of Indians and Jews born in the U.S that are 18 years and older. So there has to be something wrong with "racism" if a new generation isn't inherently poorer than their parents.


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They were also an incredibly small population up until the 2000s so a collective racism "against" them didn't developed in nearly the same way it has for black Americans. We didn't fight a civil war over Indian or Jewish slavery, and thus had a significant portion of the country continually thinking there were violent rapist livestock for multiple generations.
So your example says stereotypes make people poor?
Have muslims/arabs not been stereotyped as terrorists after 9/11? Did they see their wealth decline or did it remain the same? And why?

Jews had stereotypes pushed on them for thousands of years that were quite negative (i.e they poison wells or kidnap babies and sacrifice them) . But looking at both Israel or Jews living in the U.S, they are still the more successful ones.

In America as well, one of the most famous antisemitics had a huge role in the auto industry. Jews still aren't in the same poverty rate as black americans though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford#The_Dearborn_Independent_and_antisemitism
 
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This assumes White people are somehow the gatekeepers to making people rich. If you look around the world, there are both rich and poor white countries.
Now take a look at non-white countries and what pattern exists? It can't be just racism since there exists rich non-white countries as well as poor ones.

For as long as I remember, I have almost never seen Indian or Jewish immigrants rely on White businesses to be successful. Other than running a franchise, they almost always control and hire their own people.



What determines a nice area? Are you saying only neighborhoods where white people live are nice?



Show me examples of someone being denied a loan straight up because they were black?

I'm just going to point to facts again and show you that Black Americans fall within the average of making less income than other races.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

Now, how can you expect loans to be given out without considering the risk of being unable to pay them back?



Black Americans actually make a lot more money than any other nation with significant black populations.
In all your examples, you seem to pin lack of black success on the fact that either whites are holding them hostage or because they're not living next to them.



So what is the explanation that even Hispanics or Amerindians are still on average more successful than Black Americans? Am I suppose to believe Mexico's education system is better than America's?



So your example says stereotypes make people poor?
Have muslims not been stereotyped as terrorists after 9/11? Did they see their wealth decline or did it remain the same? And why?

Jews had stereotypes pushed on them for thousands of years. But looking at both Israel or Jews in the U.S, they're are still the more successful ones.
White people have been, and still are to a not unsubstantial degree, the gatekeepers to making people rich in America.

Indians and Jews didn't need white people because they had their own network of wealth and resources from the wealthy Jews or Indians who immigrated here and helped those communities. And by and large Jews can easily, and in fact often sought to pass, as just "white" in social and legal standings unless they were Orthodox. Blacks had no comparable "rich black Immigrant" friends come over to support what was an exponentially larger and more scattered group of poor people. I'm talking historically.

You seem to know nothing about how property values, loans, and insurance play into poverty and racism. You need to immediately familiarize yourself with redlining. Specifically about housing, white people refused to give blacks home loans for decades, forcing them to rent from them instead. In this way white people were generating more wealth for themselves through rent money, which in addition denied blacks the ability to invest and gain wealth from their own property.

Black's lack of success is largely due to their culture developing around the history and real life consequences of redlining, things that continued all the way into the 80s and 90s. Imagine being fooled for centuries and generations about how great life would be if you just worked hard, only to get fucked over by racism again and again. Communal culture develops an attitude of, fuck working hard and playing their game, we need to do it our own way. That is what has prevailed in a nutshell, which is why selling drugs, and the horrific crime that comes with that, become more appealing than trying to navigate systemically racist "lawful" paths to wealth. Nevermind how the war on drugs essentially destroyed millions of black families over fucking marijuana possessions.

The average wealth of Hispanics also benefit from the immigration process. I.E. the smarter and more educated you are, the more likely you are to be able to immigrate into America, self-selecting for Latinos that actually want to be in America. If Canada was actually Africa and we kept accepting educated motivated black people you'd see their numbers go up too. And it's not like the "Latino" label includes the myriad of illegals working crap wages. And I already addressed Jews earlier in a way you ignored, so I'll leave it at that.

My example does not say "stereotypes make people poor." What made minorities, and in particular blacks, historically poor is racist white people creating racist policies to consolidate power along tribal lines, and that is an undeniable fact. Do you actually deny this? Do you think the factual history of redlining, along with the myriad of other racist things in US history, has no explanatory value in the situation the black community now finds itself in? Because that would be truly incredible.
 
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