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The current state of MS game studios and games roster.

molasar

Banned
Not sure, but it isn't wanting for resources if anything else lol.
It's alot of money. Twice that amount and they could buy out Project Red.

LOL. No, they could not as it is not for sale. And it is worth more than $6.5bn but not all its shares are on a market.
 
I'm really excited for what Rare, The initiative, Obsidian, Playground games and Ninja Theory have planned for the coming console. I think these 5 have the most potential for something fresh which is kinda what their other major studios need but are stuck doing Halo and Gears.

The coalition could surprise me if they started something apart from Gears.
 

Havoc2049

Member
Except for Hellblade 2, i have zero interest at all. Not because of the resulting output, but solely due Microsoft being one if not the worst offender when it comes to adding micro-transactions to their games. Phil Spencer said "the future is GaaS", so be ready for an influx of heavy MP-online driven titles from Microsoft, and/or SP that have lots of "post launch" goodies.

IP-wise? Sully, Drake, Elena, Chloe ... it took Sony like 10+ years to establish them with a few games. Unbeaten chemistry, without the need of giving them "steroids" to make them appeal, to a certain demographic. Without the multi-consoleros, this probably would have been Microsoft´s worst generation.

Eager to see what they´re cooking, but my interest is low.

The "worst offender" label for micro-transactions is a little extreme. What games are you talking about? I’ve played tons of Halo: MCC, Halo 5 and Sea of Thieves this gen and they didn’t feel that way at all.
 
The "worst offender" label for micro-transactions is a little extreme. What games are you talking about? I’ve played tons of Halo: MCC, Halo 5 and Sea of Thieves this gen and they didn’t feel that way at all.
Aye I play Sea of thieves a lot and micropurchases are really insigficant, its nice to have them as a bonus but doesnt affect the gameplay in any way.
I think people just like to generalise without actually playing the games and experiencing any of these things themselves.
 

Great Hair

Banned
In terms of monetization, the ms games are full of them. Even if they´re not intrusive, they should not be in a game for $60 and add. $40 for a season pass. And these have been meticulously created, intervened into the game ... so the grind is less "painful".

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sdrawkcab

Banned
Not sure if anyone is going to notice it in my long post, so I will post it again

I figured, and I'm not surprised to hear that 500 mill budget is a lie. I just don't see how any game today can cost that much, even with a HUGE marketing budget. Even if you put 200 mill into marketing (which is an insane amount to begin with), I just don't see how the other 300 mill comes into play, even if you're building a new engine from scratch.
 

SaucyJack

Member
I would like to keep this troll free, so no "MS cant compete with Sony" or "Halo ist shit" posts thanks.

So Microsoft has bought up a number of studios and created some new ones.
What type of games does MS need to close the gap with Sony?
At this point we have this.

Dude., seriously? Laudable aim but you blew it within two sentences

Anyway, FWIW I believe what MS really needs to do is allow its studios the time and freedom to create against their own visions. I fear that MS are a bit too command and control to let this happen.
 
343i having a budget of 500 million USD is a lie, Franky denied it in the other site.
Undead Labs now has a second studio led by Jeff Strain in New Orleans(since he is the studio head, that basically makes the new one the main studio). The original team will work on State of Decay 3. Meanwhile, when NCSoft laid off a lot of ArenaNet employees to focus on mobile, many of them were grabbed by Undead Labs. Before acquisition Undead Labs were a bit over 30 employees, now they are around 100.
Job postings for InXile and Compulsion indicate they are going AAA
Playground Games is not dividing into two teams. They are building a new team from scartch with a few core Playground Game devs. The plan is for both teams to eventually have 200 members each.
Perfect Dark rumour also indicates Coalition is doing the real development. But no one is sure about the details.
Flight Simulator is by Asobo, devs of Plague's Take.
There are more acquisitions, they are not done yet.
You forgot about Tell Me Why by Dontnod.
There is a ton of open positions with MSs studios at the moment.
Open positions at Xbox Game Studios: Playground Games: 92+
Rare: 27+
Obsidian: 23+
Turn 10 Studios: 16+
The Coalition: 14+
The Initiative: 13+
Mojang: 9+
343: 8+
Ninja Theory: 6+
Double Fine: 3+
World's Edge: 3+

As you said, Playground are working up to 400 employees. Generally a good quality studio that puts out a game every 2 to 3 years will have about 200 employees.
When you look at Sony's top studios yo have ND with 316, Sucker Punch with 200, Insomniac with 275, Guerilla Games with 250 with an eye to build to 400, and Santa Monica with around 200.
So Playground are obviously looking at developing two games at a time. At this point FH and Fable you would think.

The interesting one is 343i with over 500 employees. Thats one hell of a big studio just working on Halo.
 
LOL. No, they could not as it is not for sale. And it is worth more than $6.5bn but not all its shares are on a market.
Yeah I confused it with another company. But all shares have to be accounted for in their market cap. You are either a fully traded company or you are privately held.
 
Dude., seriously? Laudable aim but you blew it within two sentences

Anyway, FWIW I believe what MS really needs to do is allow its studios the time and freedom to create against their own visions. I fear that MS are a bit too command and control to let this happen.
There is a difference between saying there is a gap and what do they have to do to close it, vs having peanut Sony fanboys just slagging off, as they tend to do.
 

GymWolf

Gold Member
Oof they have a lot of studios.

Here for next halo, fable and hellblade 2, i have to see something from the other games to grow some interest.
 

molasar

Banned
Yeah I confused it with another company. But all shares have to be accounted for in their market cap. You are either a fully traded company or you are privately held.
It is a publicly traded company (actually its mother company as it is the most likely way to get it) but I meant that not all its shares are available on a market. So there is no guarantee to get a control stock even if you offer to pay a premium price.
 

IDappa

Member
In terms of monetization, the ms games are full of them. Even if they´re not intrusive, they should not be in a game for $60 and add. $40 for a season pass. And these have been meticulously created, intervened into the game ... so the grind is less "painful".

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for starters the micros in gears 4 and halo are easy to obtain freely. I cannot comment on forza but I haven’t seen anyone majorly upset over their micro’s. SoT has only just brought in micro’s a year later.

Microsoft’s micro-transactions are far from egregious. Now let’s see no micro-transaction good guy Sony has been doing. It’s funny that they charge for in game boosts (pay to win) and you don’t bat an eye. Stop being so biased.










 

Great Hair

Banned
So we have

GT6 "skip the grind" mtx
U4 MP mtx
TLOU1 MP mtx
DriveClub mtx

versus

Halo 4 mtx "skip the grind"
Halo 5 mtx "skip the grind"
Halo 6 mtx "skip the grind"
Forza 5
Forza 6
Forza 7
Forza Horizon 3 "yield good reviews, add post launch mtx"
Forza Horizon 4 "yield good reviews, add post launch mtx"
Sea of Thieves
Ryse of Rome
Gears 4 "skip the grind"
Gears 5 "skip the grind"
Windows 10 ads everywhere
Microsoft paying youtubers for good reviews ... controversy
Microsoft paying polygon for what ever reasons ..
Kinect spycam, have a quick looksy 2014
Kinect spycam, have a quick looksy 2019
no used games
Microsoft hires mtx expert
Elite Controller 1 issues $150
Elite Controller 2 issues $200
RROD
Shitty policies 90 day guarantee
promises prestine VR on Scarlett
High Quality 69bit never seen before PIXELS
retarded parity clause
whiny attitude whole generation "crossplay, playtogether with Nintendo" ...
misleads halo fans with Halo 5 commercials (removes them from the xbox channel)
misleads everyone about the POWA of DA CLOUD
Crackdown 3 ....
etc. etc. since 2009

4 titles (and shitty drms) on one side, 15+ in the green corner + the other stuff. Sony comparatively has a clean sheet.


mod edit: There is a healthy middle ground for subtle bias to add weighting to points that matter to you as an individual, but this is crossing into tabloid reporting. This crosses from bias into prejudice. Be more holistic. Off the top of an impartial head for example, you have omitted the failed playstation TV, Sony's affectation for censorship, the controller battery life, jet engine noise etc. Keep the focus narrow or add 'the othe rstuff' for both sides please or you won't last long in these type of threads.
 
So we have

GT6 "skip the grind" mtx
U4 MP mtx
TLOU1 MP mtx
DriveClub mtx

versus

Halo 4 mtx "skip the grind"
Halo 5 mtx "skip the grind"
Halo 6 mtx "skip the grind"
Forza 5
Forza 6
Forza 7
Forza Horizon 3 "yield good reviews, add post launch mtx"
Forza Horizon 4 "yield good reviews, add post launch mtx"
Sea of Thieves
Ryse of Rome
Gears 4 "skip the grind"
Gears 5 "skip the grind"
Windows 10 ads everywhere
Microsoft paying youtubers for good reviews ... controversy
Microsoft paying polygon for what ever reasons ..
Kinect spycam, have a quick looksy 2014
Kinect spycam, have a quick looksy 2019
no used games
Microsoft hires mtx expert
Elite Controller 1 issues $150
Elite Controller 2 issues $200
RROD
Shitty policies 90 day guarantee
promises prestine VR on Scarlett
High Quality 69bit never seen before PIXELS
retarded parity clause
whiny attitude whole generation "crossplay, playtogether with Nintendo" ...
misleads halo fans with Halo 5 commercials (removes them from the xbox channel)
misleads everyone about the POWA of DA CLOUD
Crackdown 3 ....
etc. etc. since 2009

4 titles (and shitty drms) on one side, 15+ in the green corner + the other stuff. Sony comparatively has a clean sheet.
This ain't it, chief.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
So we have

GT6 "skip the grind" mtx
U4 MP mtx
TLOU1 MP mtx
DriveClub mtx

versus

Halo 4 mtx "skip the grind"
Halo 5 mtx "skip the grind"
Halo 6 mtx "skip the grind"
Forza 5
Forza 6
Forza 7
Forza Horizon 3 "yield good reviews, add post launch mtx"
Forza Horizon 4 "yield good reviews, add post launch mtx"
Sea of Thieves
Ryse of Rome
Gears 4 "skip the grind"
Gears 5 "skip the grind"
Windows 10 ads everywhere
Microsoft paying youtubers for good reviews ... controversy
Microsoft paying polygon for what ever reasons ..
Kinect spycam, have a quick looksy 2014
Kinect spycam, have a quick looksy 2019
no used games
Microsoft hires mtx expert
Elite Controller 1 issues $150
Elite Controller 2 issues $200
RROD
Shitty policies 90 day guarantee
promises prestine VR on Scarlett
High Quality 69bit never seen before PIXELS
retarded parity clause
whiny attitude whole generation "crossplay, playtogether with Nintendo" ...
misleads halo fans with Halo 5 commercials (removes them from the xbox channel)
misleads everyone about the POWA of DA CLOUD
Crackdown 3 ....
etc. etc. since 2009

4 titles (and shitty drms) on one side, 15+ in the green corner + the other stuff. Sony comparatively has a clean sheet.
Sony has made just as many baseball games than all Gears, Forzas and Halos combined.
 
So with the rumours that Zenimax is up for sale, and both Sony and MS being linked to them, it could well be the start of the great studio buyout craze.
Currently we have seen both MS and Sony buy a mid size developer here and there, and growing their studio portfolio bit by bit.
If a big one like Zenimax goes down, that's massive. The cost would be 2-3billion you would think.
The minute a big one like that goes down to either MS, Sony or Google, just watch the chaos that ensures with everyone else trying to match it.
 
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IDappa

Member
So we have

GT6 "skip the grind" mtx
U4 MP mtx
TLOU1 MP mtx
DriveClub mtx

versus

Halo 4 mtx "skip the grind"
Halo 5 mtx "skip the grind"
Halo 6 mtx "skip the grind"
Forza 5
Forza 6
Forza 7
Forza Horizon 3 "yield good reviews, add post launch mtx"
Forza Horizon 4 "yield good reviews, add post launch mtx"
Sea of Thieves
Ryse of Rome
Gears 4 "skip the grind"
Gears 5 "skip the grind"
Windows 10 ads everywhere
Microsoft paying youtubers for good reviews ... controversy
Microsoft paying polygon for what ever reasons ..
Kinect spycam, have a quick looksy 2014
Kinect spycam, have a quick looksy 2019
no used games
Microsoft hires mtx expert
Elite Controller 1 issues $150
Elite Controller 2 issues $200
RROD
Shitty policies 90 day guarantee
promises prestine VR on Scarlett
High Quality 69bit never seen before PIXELS
retarded parity clause
whiny attitude whole generation "crossplay, playtogether with Nintendo" ...
misleads halo fans with Halo 5 commercials (removes them from the xbox channel)
misleads everyone about the POWA of DA CLOUD
Crackdown 3 ....
etc. etc. since 2009

4 titles (and shitty drms) on one side, 15+ in the green corner + the other stuff. Sony comparatively has a clean sheet.
I never said that was all of Sony’s mtx games, it was just a simple 5 minute google search to prove you were Sony’s bitch. I didn’t think you’d prove that point for me with your very next post. If you have some hate towards Microsoft that’s fine but atleast try to hide it better.

I could reply to everyone of your points and prove Sony is on par or worse but I get the feeling you don’t care. I feel sorry for people like you that have to make themselves feel better about their purchases.
 
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