ComputerMKII
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There goes what little interest I had.
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The Elder Scrolls Online to have monthly subs, is not F2P
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Ok, some good answers in here.
I don't agree though. I wouldn't mind spending more, if the game is very good. The F2P MMOs always have a catch, some element of P2Win or something just... weird. Like Neverwinters "log in once a day and click a button to get stuffz". And all these currencies? Gold, Medals, Jewels, Astral Jewels, Astral Dominos, Divine Balls... just a mess. But I get it, the developers gotta be payed in some way, and MMOs are more expensive than other games to both develop and maintain; so they have to come up with something to get paid. I prefer the straight up "pay a set amount and play the full game without thinking of money at all", to all these funky F2P models.
I don't agree though. I wouldn't mind spending more, if the game is very good. The F2P MMOs always have a catch, some element of P2Win or something just... weird. Like Neverwinters "log in once a day and click a button to get stuffz". And all these currencies? Gold, Medals, Jewels, Astral Jewels, Astral Dominos, Divine Balls... just a mess. But I get it, the developers gotta be payed in some way, and MMOs are more expensive than other games to both develop and maintain; so they have to come up with something to get paid. I prefer the straight up "pay a set amount and play the full game without thinking of money at all", to all these funky F2P models.
zerokoolpsx
Member
Was kinda interested, but now I'm out.
I have mixed feelings.
I want to enjoy a full experience, so the monthly model would make the most sense. They won't have to nickel and dime me content.
Then, it's highly unlikely I'll ever play another mmo in long sessions ever again, and really can't justify the monthly plan. I like the drop in drop out nature of F2P.
Most people I know have moved on to the latter case above, and I don't see this being successful with a subscription.
I want to enjoy a full experience, so the monthly model would make the most sense. They won't have to nickel and dime me content.
Then, it's highly unlikely I'll ever play another mmo in long sessions ever again, and really can't justify the monthly plan. I like the drop in drop out nature of F2P.
Most people I know have moved on to the latter case above, and I don't see this being successful with a subscription.
MikeE21286
Member
Not sure if it's smart to get the people who will buy at first then go F2P or just go F2P right away
I'd be willing to give it a fair chance/2-3 months of sub and take it from there.
Toothless Spoon
Member
After Wildstar announced it was sub based, I was kinda hoping that this wouldn't be the case - I'll try it, and go from there.
VanquishUK
Member
Meh, looks average anyway.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
If the end goal is F2P then its the latter. And if F2P isn't the end goal then they're in for a rude awakening.
I really don't think there is any place in the market for a monthly sub MMO. FF14 will bomb again because of this and this MMO doesn't look anywhere near as interesting as that.
RPGCrazied
Member
Good luck with that. 
I give it 6 months.
I give it 6 months.Typically yes.
It's not about being cheap - I have no problem paying money for a mmo.
the problem for me is a psychological one - I feel forced to make the most of my sub resulting in negative feelings when I play other games as I am wasting my sub... I know it's silly but it's the way it is...
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I don't think it's completely dead. From what has been shown so far (which is very little), it doesn't look like it's going after WoW. Based on that, I think it is different enough to survive. Hell, look at The Old Republic when it tried to go after the WoW marketshare (with very "safe" gameplay at that).
I don't think it's completely dead. From what has been shown so far (which is very little), it doesn't look like it's going after WoW. Based on that, I think it is different enough to survive. Hell, look at The Old Republic when it tried to go after the WoW marketshare (with very "safe" gameplay at that).
EvilEntity
Banned
Cool another MMO after Wildstar without f2p cancer. Why you so salty?
A Serious Man
Member
How many times does this model have to fail before companies stop thinking their IP is strong enough to justify it?
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
How awfully presumptuous of them to assume this game has a snowball's chance in hell of surviving as a monthly subscription model.
I too would like to hear the answer, considering the general sentiment toward Square Enix around here.
Don't forget Ultima Online. Can't believe they're still charging subs for a 16 year old game.
agentofatlas
Member
Probably (and this is just a theory) because hardcore FF fans seem more "fanatical" or "passionate" (depends on ow you see it) than TESO fans. I mean they basically funded FFXIV v1 and that was on a monthly sub for 3 years!
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
Let me guess, it'll even have pay2win microtransactions. Double win for ZeniMax!
Why not if it is profitable?
It doesn't have that many players anymore (does it?) and the servers probably are pretty cheap as well (considering how old it is), so charging the few players a monthly sub is probably the most profitable system. And since it still has players, it means they're still okay with the price and want to play...
More Fun To Compute
Member
I bet two months until free to play announcement.
You would think these dumb ass companies would pay attention to anyone not named "Blizzard". Turbine in particular.
If Star Wars can't even sell a monthly sub...
I'm sure the reason is that this game has been in development for so long, they didn't exactly build it with F2P in mind. If there is half a brain at Zenimax, they've been working on F2P design for the game for months now.
If Star Wars can't even sell a monthly sub...
I'm sure the reason is that this game has been in development for so long, they didn't exactly build it with F2P in mind. If there is half a brain at Zenimax, they've been working on F2P design for the game for months now.
Star Wars has a significant amount of subscribers in its F2P state actually, it makes money these days.
Triggerhappytel
Member
So, is this looking any better yet, or is it still destined to crash and burn?! I can't fucking believe they want £9 a month for it!
Silphonica
Banned
I'm waiting for everquest anyway.
I very much agree
zerokoolpsx
Member
ESO doesn't look that good from some gameplay that I've seen. Visuals look dated too. The sub cost is $14.99 vs $12.99. That'll add up overtime. A lot of people will expect this to be a buggy mess with Bethesda's reputation.
FFXIV is a lot of fun. Easy to pick up and play.
FF XIV was free for a while since it was so bad after it launched. It wasn't sub for 3 years straight lol. People aren't that crazy to pay for something that isn't complete. The announcement of A Realm Reborn brought back subscriptions.
A major problem with most MMOs in development, it seems.
Back in 2007, when SWTOR and TESO (and others?) development has started, subs were the standard... and no one predicted (probably, or at least didn't convince the leadership) that F2P would be the standard five years later.
Unfortunately switching to F2P model is not that simple without gimping aspects of the game in the process (like in SWTOR where you don't gain enough XP as free player to avoid getting stuck to a planet, unless you do PVP, space missions and flashpoints as much as you can in addition to normal questing).
My point exactly! Monthly subs for MMOs is a ship that has sailed.
I'm an Elder Scrolls fan, but I refuse to buy a subscription based game. € 13 x 12 = € 156 a year! That's four new AAA-titles I could have bought instead. No thanks.
As others have said, you pay even when you're not playing the game. Waste of money. I would only consider this game if it had:
- a cheap 'starter'-pack. Say ~€ 30.
- no subscription.
- 2 expansions per year priced around € 10.
This I could live with. € 13 a month? No way.
As others have said, you pay even when you're not playing the game. Waste of money. I would only consider this game if it had:
- a cheap 'starter'-pack. Say ~€ 30.
- no subscription.
- 2 expansions per year priced around € 10.
This I could live with. € 13 a month? No way.