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[Phoenix]

I'm surprised at these early answers.

I strongly believe the special forces would win. Why couldn't they just use stealth? Set up miles away and snipe the shit out of people. Remember the civil war fighters WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON. They would just see their general's head explode.

There were snipers back during the days of the civil war FYI...

Coordinated sniping could take out all the senior and much of the field leadership in a matter of minutes, and then all the rank & file would be completely demoralized and directionless.

From there, they could use nightvision to pick people off during the night...

Generals and field commanders were killed during the civil war, but those units would still be able to function, they simply would not be able to coordinate. In addition, a civil war army has a further effective range from their cannon based artillery.

 

[Phoenix]

Since this seems pretty well wrapped up, I hope you don't mind me inserting a bizarre hypothetical.

How about a US carrier battle group versus the entire Imperial Japanese Navy circa 1941. The CVBG gets as many supplies as it can carry with however many tenders usually accompany one, as well as maybe any usable supplies the US of that era can provide to it. Obviously it will get no satellite intel given the lack of satellites in that era. It's not a confined area, the CVBG just sort of gets dumped in Pearl Harbor at some point.

This is certainly inspired a bit by The Final Countdown. My guess would be on the CVBG just mauling the entire fleet in front of it through sheer air power on its way to the home islands.

No contest. Imperial Navy has to find the US carrier battle group by sight, on approach they enter the radar range of the US carrier group and AEGIS cruisers destroy the spotters before they even have a chance to speak. Based on their flight plan, interceptors approach the Imperial Navy group and are harpoon'd from destroyers long before they even have a chance to enter cannon range.

Even with the 'in-stock' supplies of a US carrier battle group they have more then enough ammunition and capability to destroy the entire Imperial Navy without likely taking much in the way of damage. The only potential would be a massed submarine attack whose torpedos might catch some of the screening ships, but more than likely helos and ASW ships would find them so far away that they would be able to mark, track, and destroy them before they had a chance to do anything. I would take this parallel all the way up through the Soviets attempting to do something during the Cuban Missile crisis. The disparity of detection and attack at range is simply so vast as to leave a gulf that the opposing side couldn't counter even with sheer numbers.

 

[davepoobond]

WHO WOULD WIN:

THE PREDATOR

OR

CIVIL WAR GENERALS DRINKING TEA

 

[Jamesfrom818]

There were snipers back during the days of the civil war FYI...





Generals and field commanders were killed during the civil war, but those units would still be able to function, they simply would not be able to coordinate. In addition, a civil war army has a further effective range from their cannon based artillery.

The rifle of a sniper in those times weren't exactly that much better than that of a rifleman. They were called snipers just because they were good shots.

 

[Phoenix]

WHO WOULD WIN:

THE PREDATOR

OR

CIVIL WAR GENERALS DRINKING TEA

Civil war generals tended to toss tea which interferes with predator camo which stuns him because he didn't expect it which gives civil war general time to get bayonet through him. Predator's are spoilers so they blow them selves up when losing so he nukes area.

Winner: Neither.

 

[Windu]

Civil War Army. 6 men even with the most state of the art equipment and experts at warfare can not fight a whole army. The sure would kill alot though.

 

[Phoenix]

The rifle of a sniper in those times weren't exactly that much better than that of a rifleman. They were called snipers just because they were good shots.

False

With the development of more modern weapons came the advent of the sharpshooter or sniper. Now armed with a rifle which could fire a round accurately up to 1,800 yards long range riflemen became a real threat. Benchrest rifles, the sniper rifle of the Civil War, were so named because they were so heavy that they were easiest to fire with the barrel resting on a bench or other support. Prior to the war, these specialty muzzle-loaded rifles had been owned primarily by target shooters and sport hunters. With an average length of about 50 inches, a benchrest rifle weighed up to 40 pounds, making it an impractical choice for standard infantry duty. The very tight fit of the bullet and the bore needed for range and accuracy made the weapon very slow to load and put the user at a disadvantage on the battlefield.

 

[GeneralIroh]

Is the civil war force spread out? Or all in the same area?

The modern SF group could kill thousands and wipe out entire companies of civil war era armies without ever been spoted.

A couple things, the level of mentality and level of training a special forces unit has and the training and mentality a civil war soldier has. You're looking at a man who is a trained in death and survival, and on the other side men who are most likely farmers, factory workers, lumber yard labor etc etc before they were enlisted.

The only limitation that could cause the SF to lose would be ammo.

Ditto

In direct combat the SF group would lose but thats not how they roll anyway.
Its all about stealth and modern day tactics.

The the only thing the SF group would have to do is snipe out all the commanders and send the entire civil war force into chaos and disorder. Modern SF soldiers have much better knowledge when it comes to night time battle, terrain and how to avoid getting sick like most of the civil war soldiers. Ghillie suit >>> civil war soldier.


Wasnt there a japanese movie wherea small group of their military was sent back in time against the samurais?

 

[GeneralIroh]

Not only are they outnumbered like a 100,000 to 1 or something ridiculous like that, but you people forget canons did exist back then. The marines would be blown out eventually.

Only if the marines are dumb enough to show their positions like the civil war fighters.

 

[marvelharvey]

Wasnt there a japanese movie wherea small group of their military was sent back in time against the samurais?

Yes, it was god awful.

 

[LuCkymoON]

Ditto

In direct combat the SF group would lose but thats not how they roll anyway.
Its all about stealth and modern day tactics.

The the only thing the SF group would have to do is snipe out all the commanders and send the entire civil war force into chaos and disorder. Modern SF soldiers have much better knowledge when it comes to night time battle, terrain and how to avoid getting sick like most of the civil war soldiers. Ghillie suit >>> civil war soldier.


Wasnt there a japanese movie wherea small group of their military was sent back in time against the samurais?

I want to see this movie!

 

[Stinkles]

6 men just isn't enough, they have to deal with ammo and fatigue.

And racists.

 

[RumFore]

WOW!:lol I love seeing this topic and I surprised at all the shit its getting. I always think about crap like this. Like how the Roman army back in Alexanders time would stand up to US Marines or how the German army of WWII would stand up to a modern allied Army. They would get crushed but it would be fun to see.

 

[I_D]

6 people against 3.3 million people. Nuff said.



The civil war soldiers might be subject to sniper attacks, but it doesn't take long to figure out where a sniper is coming from, especially with 6.6 million eyes looking.

 

[Stinkles]

OK, what about a single F14? Unlimited refuel and resupply stops.

 

[Fuzzery]

WHO WOULD WIN:

THE PREDATOR

OR

CIVIL WAR GENERALS DRINKING TEA

WHO WOULD WIN:
DAVEPOOBOND OR THE OP IN A THREAD POSTING CONTEST

 

[I_D]

OK, what about a single F14? Unlimited refuel and resupply stops.

F14 would win that one.

Chances are the Civil War soldiers wouldn't even be able to hit it.

 

[Dice]

Supplies to just carry on your own won't last through that many people. The 6 men should be allowed supply drops or something of that sort.

The CW army would need semi-modern setups to have all of them in one place. Are they still spread out across the nation so the 6-man team does a campaign across the country?

 

[etiolate]

This is a silly question, but I am retarded enough to answer it.

I think it would be a mental war done by the Special Forces unit. I assume they have had heavy mental training and can handle a war of attrition and would target Civil War leaders and create dissent amongst the larger army. They wouldn't thin the herd by killing them, but by having them go AWOL and becoming deserters. The civil war army then would resort to hunting down their own to retain their size advantage and the downfall would start. If mentally prepared, the SF unit would remain unseen, unheard from and unidentifiable by the living.

 

[Dice]

I think it would be a mental war done by the Special Forces unit. I assume they have had heavy mental training and can handle a war of attrition and would target Civil War leaders and create dissent amongst the larger army. They wouldn't thin the herd by killing them, but by having them go AWOL and becoming deserters. The civil war army then would resort to hunting down their own to retain their size advantage and the downfall would start. If mentally prepared, the SF unit would remain unseen, unheard from and unidentifiable by the living.

How do you mentally prepare for killing 1,000,000+ people? That is the real wildcard. They'd probably either break down or become ultimate machine killers. Either way, I'm not sure how well their strategy, tactics and stealth would hold up. Then again, maybe they'd become extremely good at predicting and manipulating what the soldiers would do. Hard to tell what that kind of battle would do to the human mind.

 

[TKM]

Special Forces could spark infighting and let them all kill each other. Some steps could include:

-Doctoring up some incriminating photos using Photoshop to create mistrust
-Modern scanners used to forge orders from generals.

Or engage in a mental war

-Counterfeit currency to either bribe key people or enmasse to destroy the economy. With modern tech, there's no way they'd be able to tell.

-Assuming SF have gone back in time and are not in an alternate universe, use advance knowledge of natural disasters and predict doom with 100% accuracy via pamphlets. Also snipe a predetermined number of soldiers at long range.
I.E. "Next month, Tuesday, July 4th, there will be an earthquake in California, one hurricane off the coast of South Carolina, and exactly 4 American soldiers' heads will explode."

-Fly UAVs overhead with Morgan Freeman as the voice of God. SHOCK
-Project high definition interracial porn onto the walls of their churches. AWE

 

[avatar299]

I think SF can win if they fight a war of resources. 3 million is a lot of mouths to feed, and if they target the supplies and suppliers of the union/confederate army it could cause chaos among the troops. They break up, fight each other(this is the union and confederate army after all) and the SF pick off the survivors of rioting.

The real question is who would win, 300 spartans or 300 marines.

 

[GDJustin]

I think SF can win if they fight a war of resources. 3 million is a lot of mouths to feed, and if they target the supplies and suppliers of the union/confederate army it could cause chaos among the troops. They break up, fight each other(this is the union and confederate army after all) and the SF pick off the survivors of rioting.

See, this is the kind of thinking I had in mind when making this topic! Attack the supply lines!

Now you're thinking with

Spoiler

portals

special forces' crazy-ass tactics.

 

[Yoboman]

Since this seems pretty well wrapped up, I hope you don't mind me inserting a bizarre hypothetical.

How about a US carrier battle group versus the entire Imperial Japanese Navy circa 1941. The CVBG gets as many supplies as it can carry with however many tenders usually accompany one, as well as maybe any usable supplies the US of that era can provide to it. Obviously it will get no satellite intel given the lack of satellites in that era. It's not a confined area, the CVBG just sort of gets dumped in Pearl Harbor at some point.

This is certainly inspired a bit by The Final Countdown. My guess would be on the CVBG just mauling the entire fleet in front of it through sheer air power on its way to the home islands.

It's not like a modern carrier can dodge cannon-fire and bullet fire. Of course it'd be better equipped for long ranged combat, but hypothetically it would eventually end up in a situation where it takes on heavy fire once the whole Imperial Navy turns it's attention on the carrier

You should watch Zipang BTW. An Anime with a very similar premise (though a Japanese carrier instead of the US)

 

[Aurelius]

A more plausible situation: What would have happened if the Roman army had met the Chinese Imperial army? Same time period.

 

[Yoboman]

A more plausible situation: What would have happened if the Roman army had met the Chinese Imperial army? Same time period.

What time period? There's a large expanse of time there with a lot of variables

 

[aaaaa0]

It's not like a modern carrier can dodge cannon-fire and bullet fire. Of course it'd be better equipped for long ranged combat, but hypothetically it would eventually end up in a situation where it takes on heavy fire once the whole Imperial Navy turns it's attention on the carrier

With the planes and weapons available to the carrier group, the entire opposing navy would be at the bottom of the ocean by the time they got close.

The carrier group would also be flying their Hawkeye patrols, and so would be able to see the Imperial Navy coming from hundreds of miles away.

Not to mention the carrier group can outrun the whole Imperial Navy even if they did get close.

 

[Tommie Hu$tle]

You are talking about three fire teams (not even a squad) vs. 3 million. The would have the element of suprise and night vision (as long as the batteries lasted) and maybe they could take out a couple hundred with alot of senior leaders taken out in the first raid but, you'd have to sleep sometime. They last maybe a few weeks before they were caught.

If you were saying a battalion or so with the equipement and tools that they typically use then yeah maybe.

 

[Diatribe1974]

hahahahahaha

All you folks saying how the Civil War guys would win.


hahahahahahahhaa

In the military right now (albeit in testing) they have a turrent mounted grenade launcher that can dish out 250,000 grenades per minute!

or...

the same principle technology with a modification: a machine gun setup that does 1 MILLION ROUNDS per minute.


Now....

6 guys with this....

Isn't watching "Future Weapons" on Discovery Channel great?

 

[navii]

I blame this thread on Metal Gear Solid etc...

 

[Scopebob Sniperpants]

I can't wait for the welding scene!

 

[Alfarif]

I just very briefly read part of the first page but... and correct me if I'm wrong... there was no night fighting during the Civil War, was there?

If that's true, all the special forces would need to do is hide during the day and take out the armies at night. Problem solved.

 

[Aegus]

Civil War guys no sweat. 3 million people charging towards 6 guys.

 

[Aurelius]

Special Forces could spark infighting and let them all kill each other. Some steps could include:
-Fly UAVs overhead with Morgan Freeman as the voice of God. SHOCK
-Project high definition interracial porn onto the walls of their churches. AWE

:lol :lol :lol

 

[yeoz]

I think we're missing the point here. The SF guys could simply take out every single government official. With all the politicians dead, there'd be no reason for the civvies to continue fighting I think.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

Wasnt there a japanese movie wherea small group of their military was sent back in time against the samurais?

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

WOW!:lol I love seeing this topic and I surprised at all the shit its getting. I always think about crap like this. Like how the Roman army back in Alexanders time would stand up to US Marines or how the German army of WWII would stand up to a modern allied Army. They would get crushed but it would be fun to see.

The Roman Army back in Alexander's time?? Um... maybe you should just stay out of this discussion. Please!


Oh, as for a modern carrier group vs. the Japanese Navy, check out the 80's flim "The Final Countdown" starring Kirk Douglas. It's pretty much just this premise. The U.S.S. Nimitz gets pulled back in time to just days before Pearl Harbor and they have to decide if they are going to prevent it from happening. Best scene is when a couple of F-14 Tomcats take on several Japanese Zeros. Great stuff! :lol

 

[ElectricBlue187]

I'm surprised at these early answers.

I strongly believe the special forces would win. Why couldn't they just use stealth? Set up miles away and snipe the shit out of people. Remember the civil war fighters WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON. They would just see their general's head explode.

Coordinated sniping could take out all the senior and much of the field leadership in a matter of minutes, and then all the rank & file would be completely demoralized and directionless.

From there, they could use nightvision to pick people off during the night...

agreed. Special Forces wins

 

[ThePeter]

What we've got here is failure to communicate.
Some men you just can't reach...
So, you get what we had here last week,
which is the way he wants it!
Well, he gets it!
N' I don't like it any more than you men.

 

[Meier]

Dude...they'd lose tens of thousands of soldiers daily. Morale would be UP with only a thousand dead. 6 guys is not enough to fight off millions, no matter how advanced the weaponry and tactics.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

also the guns they used in the civil war probably had such a low projectile velocity the SF guys could get shot like 9 times without any damage

 

[Zenith]

even a roman legion could overrun a machine gun nest.

 

[The Lamonster]

I can't wait for the welding scene!

Steve Carrell on the left.

 

[Big Takeover]

I think some of you severely underestimate what 3 million soldiers would look like.

Shoulder-to-shoulder they would stretch from Boston to Dallas.

 

[Calidor]

seriously, the Sf just needs some biochemical weapons, spread a plague and kill millions in a week

 

[jakncoke]

I would honestly take the modern day special forces. Who says all cival war soldiers would be at 1 place at one time? or was it mentioned in op?

 

[DarkJediKnight]

6 people against 3.3 million people. Nuff said.

Exactly, this isn't even a contest. Those 3 million people could simply take a simultaneous dump, and the shit would drown those 6 men.

 

[RumFore]

The Roman Army back in Alexander's time?? Um... maybe you should just stay out of this discussion. Please!


Oh, as for a modern carrier group vs. the Japanese Navy, check out the 80's flim "The Final Countdown" starring Kirk Douglas. It's pretty much just this premise. The U.S.S. Nimitz gets pulled back in time to just days before Pearl Harbor and they have to decide if they are going to prevent it from happening. Best scene is when a couple of F-14 Tomcats take on several Japanese Zeros. Great stuff! :lol

Are you serious? Did I offend you by saying I would like to see how a how Marines would stand up to the Roman Army or Alexander from ancient times? Well excuse me for intruding of your thoughtful and philosophical discussing on a Special force of 4 guys vs Millions of Civil war soldiers.:lol

 

[darscot]

How could anyone possible believe the 6 guys would have a snowballs chance in hell.
You guys watch way to much Rambo or play too many games I'm not sure which has turned your brains too mush.

There special forces not super heroes.

 

[Nameless]

You guys are forgetting that civies used an entirely different method of warfare. Its not like the SF unit would meet them on an open plain and they would charge each other. The civies would probably never even see what was slaughtering their brigades. And its not like war can only be won by killing every single person on the opposition-- the civies would be waving the white flag of defeat long before all 3 million of them had been eradicated.