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I swear to God the defensive arguments people make for this movie are just hillarious
That's nice. A lot of us watch movies not for characters who make all the most logical decisions but to see humans who make human mistakes, most stories wouldn't exist without humans behaving like humans. I'm sure they're working on your Star Wars movie strictly about droids pretty soon, though.
 
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There's nothing wrong whatsoever with having a cast that represents the diverse societies we live in. Having said that, the girl who plays Rose in TLJ is a horrendous actor. Its unclear if her character dies in the film but I hope she will not be in the next Star Wars film.
Finn was actually one of the more promising characters introduced in TFA. Then Rian Johnson decided to send him on a pointless side quest in TLJ and Rose (who was a terrible character from the get go), robbed him of his moment of legitimate heroism at the end of the film. And as a bonus, sexually assaulted him (at least by the current definition).
 

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Episode 4 was the first film. It needed the viewer to have a basic understanding of the universe and setting before the actual story could start. It does that, no more, no less.

Episode 7 is different. It needs to explain why these events happen after the Empire was defeated in Episode 6. We know they're defeated because their leader is dead, their army is broken and fleeing, and everyone across the galaxy celebrates their victory. That's the last we've seen of this universe for many years. So episode 7 has some explaining to do, but it doesn't address why the First Order exists, how they're able to build a super Death Star, and why the Resistance is having trouble beating them. Heck, why is there even a resistance? Isn't that just the fleet/army of the new republic that they formed after the Empire fell? All of that could have been explained in the films later on, but that didn't happen. We're two films in now, and no one understand WHY the First Order even exists.
Or why "The Resistance" is called "The Resistance," given that they're ostensibly part of the ruling government.
 
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Finn was actually one of the more promising characters introduced in TFA. Then Rian Johnson decided to send him on a pointless side quest in TLJ and Rose (who was a terrible character from the get go), robbed him of his moment of legitimate heroism at the end of the film. And as a bonus, sexually assaulted him (at least by the current definition).
She stopped him from engaging in pointless heroics, it's not even clear he'd have destroyed the Death Star cannon, his ship was melting down as he approached it and it would only delay the First Order which Luke did anyways.
 

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She stopped him from engaging in pointless heroics, it's not even clear he'd have destroyed the Death Star cannon, his ship was melting down as he approached it and it would only delay the First Order which Luke did anyways.
She prevented him from destroying the only threat to the remaining Resistance forces, As I recall, it was pretty clear his sacrifice would have been successful. And she had no idea that Luke was coming. It was worth the sacrifice. And it would have allowed Finn to go out a hero after spending the entire movie basically being comic relief.
 
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She prevented him from destroying the only threat to the remaining Resistance forces, As I recall, it was pretty clear his sacrifice would have been successful. And she had no idea that Luke was coming. It was worth the sacrifice. And it would have allowed Finn to go out a hero after spending the entire movie basically being comic relief.
How was it clear? They show his ship melting into nothing prior to her stopping him. Why would a melting hunk of junk old ship successfully destroy a death star cannon? Holdo literally light speed rammed the entire fleet and they're still being hounded and nearly dying so I'm not sure you were following the text of the film well if you think such suicide maneuvers are successful. The importance of what Luke did wasn't just to help the Resistance escape but to give a myth for people to tell of the man who single-handedly stood down the First Order. Let's assume though Finn's ship is enough to destroy the Death Star cannon... are we really assuming that's it, the First Order packs up and goes home?
 

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Or why "The Resistance" is called "The Resistance," given that they're ostensibly part of the ruling government.
They are separate from the ruling government, it's just that some factions of the ruling government help fund them in secret.
There was a cold war between the New Republic and the First Order. The New Republic didn't consider the First Order as a threat. The First Order quietly rebuilt themselves in hiding. Because the New Republic didn't consider them a threat and refused to take any action the Resistance was formed.

For those that haven't seen it, this series by Mauler is pretty spot on and worth the watch:



No, I watched part one and it's fucking horrible.
 
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The tactics of the First Order were arrogant and complacent. They knew the rebels would run out of fuel and slowly succumb to them and so didn't try anything advanced. It was hubris, just like hubris prevented Snoke from seeing his death coming. The way you guys judge movies is legitimately obnoxious.
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Did ..... did any of you watch episode 4 and 5?
The Death Star was destroyed at the end of 4, nek minute, Empire is at full power kicking their arse at the start of 5.
It wasn't stated that the empire was defeated in Episode 4.
With the death of the emperor it was clear to me and everybody else in the audience, that the empire is gone.

No explanation how they survived!!!
It was just a big battle station.
RE 6 to 7, yeah the Emperor is dead, but it's easy to imagine that certain fractions of the Empire came together and "rose from the ashes" to continue doing what they do.
Sorry, but if you compare these things you really are not into Star Wars, and have no idea.
You don't need a whole convoluted story, parts of the Empire survive and they slowly grow and take control again. You only complain about this for ...... reasons.
How could they build something the size of the Starkiller base without anyone noticing it?
Why did the new republic don't do shit about it?
How is the "resistance" not the new republics army?

There were so many questions about things which were never explained.

You are defending this just for the sake of being contrarian.

Also, if you need some additional material in books to understand things that should have been in the movie, it's a shitty movie.
 
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It wasn't stated that the empire was defeated in Episode 4.
With the death of the emperor it was clear to me and everybody else in the audience, that the empire is gone.


It was just a big battle station.

Sorry, but if you compare these things you really are not into Star Wars, and have no idea.

How could they build something the size of the Starkiller base without anyone noticing it?
Why did the new republic don't do shit about it?
How is the "resistance" not the new republics army?

There were so many questions about things which were never explained.

You are defending this just for the sake of being contrarian.

Also, if you need some additional material in books to understand things that should have been in the movie, it's a shitty movie.
The death of an Emperor doesn't automatically mean the Rebellion wins. Any multiple number of things could happen. Looking at the expanded universe/Legends material should show you this.

Big battle station? Again, back in 1977 absolutely no one knew the size of the Galactic Empire. At the end of the film it looks like the Rebellion destroys the Empire. If the movie failed, it would have been true, the Empire would have been destroyed. Due to it's success the scope of the Empire was expanded on in the sequel.

And I'm not a Star Wars fan? So Timothy Zahn who wrote the Thrawn trilogy is also not a fan? A trilogy of books loved and revered by the fan base. A trilogy of books about the remnants of the Empire trying to rise up against the New Republic.

Maybe read this page.
All these people contributing to the expanded universe. Guess none of them are fans either. No, it's not cannon and never was but it seems to be a pretty popular phenomenon that the Galactic Empire would survive in various forms.

How did no one find the Starkiller base? How did no one know about Kamino and it's operations for about 10+ years?

Read my post above about why the New Republic didn't act. They, like you, thought the Galactic Empire was destroyed and were now too small to be a threat.

What other questions do you have?
 
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I love peoples ideas of plot holes "how did they not notice they were building Starkiller base" probably because they built it WITHIN a planet. This is from the same franchise where the second Obi-Wan steps on the Death Star Vader senses it but no Jedi can sense what Palpatine is ever in the prequels. Looking for consistent logic is kinda silly especially when it's easy enough to give yourself an answer for why they didn't notice x.
 

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Please for the love of God if you want to debate the movies make your own thread. Given the amount of discussion going on I honestly don’t get why u people don’t do this in your own space. Why dump it all here?

I swear TLJ defenders have to make everything about them.

If you want to post “did anyone actually watch episode 4?” like a genius then do it in your own genius thread
 
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Please for the love of God if you want to debate the movies make your own thread. Given the amount of discussion going on I honestly don’t get why u people don’t do this in your own space. Why dump it all here?

I swear TLJ defenders have to make everything about them.

If you want to post “did anyone actually watch episode 4?” like a genius then do it in your own genius thread
Except your OP is full of arguments about the quality of the films so it's your own fault that's being discussed, isn't it? If you think you have legit grounds to claim debating the merits of the film(s) is some form of thread derailment get a mod involved instead of whining like a baby.
 
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How was it clear? They show his ship melting into nothing prior to her stopping him. Why would a melting hunk of junk old ship successfully destroy a death star cannon? Holdo literally light speed rammed the entire fleet and they're still being hounded and nearly dying so I'm not sure you were following the text of the film well if you think such suicide maneuvers are successful. The importance of what Luke did wasn't just to help the Resistance escape but to give a myth for people to tell of the man who single-handedly stood down the First Order. Let's assume though Finn's ship is enough to destroy the Death Star cannon... are we really assuming that's it, the First Order packs up and goes home?
I don't have access to it to double check at the moment, but wasn't the entire plan to ram the canon, thus implying (if not explicitly stating it) that would destroy it? And wasn't Finn's mount the last one standing? Not to mention that there was a decent chance that Rose slamming into his speeder... thing... at that velocity would have simply killed both of them without giving that chance to destroy the canon. And preventing him from carrying out his mission guaranteed with 100% certainty that the canon wouldn't be destroyed. It was dumb. As for the First Order packing up and going home, I'm also almost certain that it was stated that the doors could withstand the battering from the walkers, but not from the canon.
 

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I don't have access to it to double check at the moment, but wasn't the entire plan to ram the canon, thus implying (if not explicitly stating it) that would destroy it? And wasn't Finn's mount the last one standing? Not to mention that there was a decent chance that Rose slamming into his speeder... thing... at that velocity would have simply killed both of them without giving that chance to destroy the canon. And preventing him from carrying out his mission guaranteed with 100% certainty that the canon wouldn't be destroyed. It was dumb. As for the First Order packing up and going home, I'm also almost certain that it was stated that the doors could withstand the battering from the walkers, but not from the canon.
Yeah I have no idea what they were supposed to do other than “look amazing” as everyone was dazzled by red salt leaving trails because these ships have a thing that drags on the ground for some reason. The ships are falling apart and they aren’t taking down the AT ATs Rian just wanted an action sequence. Poe is whooping it up leading this pointless charge. Nothing past that guy tasting the dirt makes any sense in universe.

The fact that they could have escaped the cave if they only removed a few rocks with some carefully placed explosives, I mean they are a space military with futuristic technology and they are blocked by some rocks lol. They have all these pointless ships gassed up and ready to go but no dynamite? Some army.

They all stand and look at an impossible death laser all pointlessly trying things out instead of fleeing (cos failure) and as soon as Finn does something to help, it’s like, “what is this moron doing?” (Sorry, “dummy”) The movie is so patronizing to him and has weird double standards that work against Finn’s character.
 
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I don't have access to it to double check at the moment, but wasn't the entire plan to ram the canon, thus implying (if not explicitly stating it) that would destroy it? And wasn't Finn's mount the last one standing? Not to mention that there was a decent chance that Rose slamming into his speeder... thing... at that velocity would have simply killed both of them without giving that chance to destroy the canon. And preventing him from carrying out his mission guaranteed with 100% certainty that the canon wouldn't be destroyed. It was dumb. As for the First Order packing up and going home, I'm also almost certain that it was stated that the doors could withstand the battering from the walkers, but not from the canon.
The whole point of the scene was to complete Poe's arc, Poe is the "this is so crazy it might work" character of this universe, which is a common trope in the franchise but he learns the cost of such plans and orders the retreat at the end. People like to ask why Rose stopped Finn but not why Poe ordered the retreat. If taking out this cannon was truly so important why not question Poe's actions? When Poe's crazy plan worked at the start it was emphasized he wasted pilots the Resistance can't waste to destroy a ship the First Order can just churn out more of. Same thing with this cannon. The numbers aren't on the side of the Resistance, they are on the side of the FO, this is why the only heroic sacrifice that's successful is Hold's lightspeed ram, she didn't do it to try and destroy the First Order, she did it to save the Resistance. Finn's gesture wouldn't have saved the Resistance and though you can argue Rose crashing into him could have killed them both there's no questioning his suicide run would have killed him. Also it's never implied they can actually take out the cannon, they were just doing the best they could with what they had.
 

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I don't have access to it to double check at the moment, but wasn't the entire plan to ram the canon, thus implying (if not explicitly stating it) that would destroy it? And wasn't Finn's mount the last one standing? Not to mention that there was a decent chance that Rose slamming into his speeder... thing... at that velocity would have simply killed both of them without giving that chance to destroy the canon. And preventing him from carrying out his mission guaranteed with 100% certainty that the canon wouldn't be destroyed. It was dumb. As for the First Order packing up and going home, I'm also almost certain that it was stated that the doors could withstand the battering from the walkers, but not from the canon.
In all honesty it's one of the worst scenes in the film.
The explosion from Finn's ship might have caused a chain reaction and stopped the cannon but I think that's a slim chance. There were still many other ships remaining for the Resistance but they were all retreating including Rose. Rose was actually flying away from Finn when she was telling him not to do it. Then she teleport's to Finn's side and rams him at high velocity.
I'll admit, the logistics of this scene do evade me. I can however understand the idea behind the scene, it was just poorly executed.

The movie is so patronizing to him and has weird double standards that work against Finn’s character.
If the double standard is Holdo sacrificing herself, that's not a double standard. Rose and Holdo can hold two different beliefs. It also doesn't work against Finn's character. I'll be watching The Last Jedi in 2 nights (I haven't seen it since it's cinema release) but from what I remember Finn went on the mission to Canto Bight ultimately to help Rey and while on the mission his point of view changed. Originally he just wanted to help Rey and he changed to wanting to help the Resistance.
 
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Was making dinner, and my dad was in the other room watching some special on the Star Wars series in the other room on Reelz, and I wanted to throw something at the tv. They were talking about the prequels, and something about characters in phantom menace being "problematic". I fucking hate that word so much now.
 

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Was making dinner, and my dad was in the other room watching some special on the Star Wars series in the other room on Reelz, and I wanted to throw something at the tv. They were talking about the prequels, and something about characters in phantom menace being "problematic". I fucking hate that word so much now.
Someone posted a pic of that tv special and they interview some woman who is part of the "Legion of Leia" and my guess it was her.
 

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they are doing a livestream celebrating this disaster. just reading Tweets of lame shills freaking out about this mess and all the brutal early reviews.

so many TLJ stans are furious about Rian's themes getting subverted LOL. got to admit, this almost feels like revenge.

"JJ ruined the amazing setup Rian that left!"

aw, i'm sorry that your expectations were upset. how does it feel now?
 
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MauLer and some folks did a livestream on one of Jenny Nicholson's TLJ videos. pretty entertaining listen as she is kind of a lunatic and a Reylo. she apparently has a "fan psychology seminar" LOL. also she calls Rey a "scrappy underdog" and says that Kylo's need for respect "makes him fun". hearing them react to this is good times.


there's a funny part where she cuts her finger and it's this little segment and they are like "See! I bleed! I'm not a shell of a person being controlled by a corporation!" she is a 100% Model Consumer shill robot .
 
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this is interesting. a Washington Post writer in an article on how ROS "satisfied the right wing" is claiming that the Reylo death threats are a hoax "manufactured by a Fandom Menace account".

access media is defending Reylos so hard that they are conspiracy handwaving the death threats made towards the film's director. this is pretty insane.

 
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this is interesting. a Washington Post writer in an article on how ROS "satisfied the right wing" is claiming that the Reylo death threats are a hoax "manufactured by a Fandom Menace account".

access media is defending Reylos so hard that they are conspiracy handwaving the death threats made towards the film's director. this is pretty insane.

If true.... wow.
 

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it is pretty funny. the entire article is about the Fandom Menace. it's basically a hit piece on Youtubers with the money going to Jeff Bezos. it contains hilarious gems like this:
Right-wing anti-TLJ content was helped along by non-Star Wars media, as well. Dismay with TLJ was part of coverage of right-wing cultural grievances in outlets such as the Federalist and National Review and by alt-right influencers, including Ben Shapiro and Jack Posobeic. Websites specializing in right-wing popular culture expanded their Star Wars coverage to capture anti-TLJ audiences. These platforms also helped right-wing Star Wars outlets grow a new audience.

There is no comparable left-wing media ecosystem where anti-TROS feeling can thrive and be monetized to the same extent.
:messenger_loudly_crying: wait a minute, right wing outlets covered popular culture? please, let me cry for the tiny marketing arm of the MarvelDisneyMegaCorp currently dry humping the planet. also why is this writer complaining that they don't have a Fandom Menace sized group of their own for hating ROS? that is what this all comes down to honestly. professional jealousy. this writer wishes they had the reach of most of these Fandom Menace guys. who, ironically, do more coverage of the franchise than this crying lamestream loser.
“Last Jedi” backlash included extensive online trolling of TLJ’s defenders. By contrast, since TROS, the major trolling incidents have targeted fans who were disappointed by the film.
trolling? oh god no. people are trolling others on the internet? over a movie? thank god the news is covering this.
A Fandom Menace account manufactured a hoax claiming “Reylos” were sending death threats to the TROS director. (A Reylo is a fan of the controversial romance between TROS protagonists Rey and Ben Solo/Kylo Ren). BuzzFeed credulously reported the claim.
this last bit is pure and utter 100% fabricated media narrative bs. tantamount to slander. basically accusing them of fabricating death threats, using the Washington Post. amazing.
 
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The Fandom Menace on politics:

Jeremy (Geeks and Gamers) supported Bernie Sanders in the 2016 primaries. He says he has no political affiliation but just hates the establishment.

Gary (Nerdrotic) doesn't like to get political but he keeps bashing the mainstream media and he mocks SJWs a lot. He recently made a video bashing Jeff Bezos. He said he hated living in Hollywood because it's fake woke hell. He chose to move to San Francisco, the most far left city in America. Then he said ""Rightwingers, which I am not one, but they are welcome on my channel. I do not view rightwingers as the devil" then said his wife runs a hair salon in downtoiwn San Francisco and said "Do the math". He also seemed super familiar with a lot of anti-establishment political commentators like Tim Pool and Ben Shapiro. He said "Ben Shapiro alt right? No. Certainly right leaning but not alt-right"

Gary seems like a classic liberal who hates SJWism. Jeremy comes off like a centrist who hates SJWism and the establishment media.

The Fandom Menace remind me of the Intellectual Dark Web - a very very diverse group of people attacking the media andd their llies. And they are smeared as some monolith devil alt-right group


it is pretty funny. the entire article is about the Fandom Menace. it's basically a hit piece on Youtubers with the money going to Jeff Bezos. it contains hilarious gems like this:

:messenger_loudly_crying: wait a minute, right wing outlets covered popular culture? please, let me cry for the tiny marketing arm of the MarvelDisneyMegaCorp currently dry humping the planet. also why is this writer complaining that they don't have a Fandom Menace sized group of their own for hating ROS? that is what this all comes down to honestly. professional jealousy. this writer wishes they had the reach of most of these Fandom Menace guys. who, ironically, do more coverage of the franchise than this crying lamestream loser.

trolling? oh god no. people are trolling others on the internet? over a movie? thank god the news is covering this.

this last bit is pure and utter 100% fabricated media narrative bs. tantamount to slander. basically accusing them of fabricating death threats, using the Washington Post. amazing.
Gary was pissed off at that article. He did a livestream on it, and his video got demonitized when he kept saying "Fuck Jeff Bezos!" It's scary how much power Bezos has.

BTW the journalist who wrote that article is also a professor at University at Rochester. She specializes in gender issues. And on her website she proudly lists Star Wars fandom culture as one of her main jobs. And she does her research on SW fans solely on twitter.

And the title of that article: "Will the left start trolling?"....ummm if she considers herself leftwing then they already are with that article. But I prefer to call it the corporate elite trolling fans online. More up vs down than left vs right.

At the end of the day it doesn't even matter if rightwing people love or hate a popcorn movie. Vladmir Putin is a huge fan of many things I am a huge fan of. Big deal.

Trump and Puting are both MMA fans. So am I . Big deal. I don't give a shit. Megan McCain is a huge OT SW nut who named one of her kids Leia. Big deal, has no bearing on my opinion of the OT SW.

Simply pointing out "People with different political views from us like it" is not an argument. It's pointless. And it shows where their head is at.
 
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