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The hell is going on with Sony game studios?

Mar 27, 2013
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What's actually funny:
Sony could close Evolution Studios and Santa Monica Studios and they would still have more AAA teams than Microsoft or Nintendo.

Some of their studios needs fresh (creative) blood.
No better time than at the beginning of a console generation.


You mean after KZ:M?
Funny, because now I know for sure you are just making all these "rumors" up.

Please, share what you have with us.
 

Goldenroad

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Pure tinfoil hat speculation, but, it seems like Sony has sold way more consoles than anticipated and will continue to with the PS4, hence they don't need as many big first party games to push the console as they did with the PS3. I could be way off base, but it seems like now that I have a PS4, Sony doesn't need to worry about putting out AAA titles to attract me anymore.
 

Thoraxes

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With all this talent going to Riot, i'm actually kind of shocked at who they're bringing in.

Amy Hennig
Greg Street
and now Justin Richmond.

Like holy shit, those are some major people.

If anything, half my wonder is about Sony, but the other half wants to know what the hell Riot is prepping for that they're getting people like this.
 

spwolf

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It's wierd how Polyphony digital is still fully intact, and they probably drain the most money and have shipped 3 strait incomplete games. Must be that Japan love. I love GT but I think they are in the most need of change and restructuring.

people need to stop making such uninformed posts... PD can do what they want because they make a lot of money. Same goes for many other studios such as Quantic Dreams or GG.

But if your game does not pass review, if your studio continuously pumps out money losers, then yeah, for the good of the rest of studios, they need to tighten the ship.

Of course, Sony owns many studios who employ many devs, most of them are still hiring because their projects are going well.

They need to kill projects doing bad earlier in the cycle... I am sure they are trying to do the same on the movie side, it is same problem there as well.
 

leroidys

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Posted about an hour ago - I bolded the part that is relevant to you:

Thanks for the FM quotes. THIS is the one that should be stickied if anything. It's hilarious(ly depressing) how many people quoted the first one to say SEE EVERYTHING'S PERFECT SHUTUP!!!!!!!

people need to chill, there is nothing going on out of the ordinary. People leave and restructuring for new types of games etc.

It´s all according to Sony´s plan


The plan is to downsize and more directly oversee projects, so I think it's legitimate discussion, and cause of worry for some, no?

Layoffs... LAYOFFS?!?! EVERYONE PANIC!

We definitely need more of these posts. Thanks for stopping by.
 

dragonbane

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With all this talent going to Riot, i'm actually kind of shocked at who they're bringing in.

Amy Hennig
Greg Street
and now Justin Richmond.

Like holy shit, those are some major people.

If anything, half my wonder is about Sony, but the other half wants to know what the hell Riot is prepping for that they're getting people like this.
Uhm, Amy Hennig is not confirmed for Riot at all.
 

swazzyswess

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Pure tinfoil hat speculation, but, it seems like Sony has sold way more consoles than anticipated and will continue to with the PS4, hence they don't need as many big first party games to push the console as they did with the PS3. I could be way off base, but it seems like now that I have a PS4, Sony doesn't need to worry about putting out AAA titles to attract me anymore.

Correct.
 

family_guy

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Let's be honest though. Everybody talks about how exclusives are what sell consoles but the highest selling games last gen were third party games and the best selling console outside of Wii, was the one that had the least first party exclusives, 360. I don't blame Sony for trimming the fat so to speak, but I don't expect them to have the same output of new ips and take the same risks this gen. As a gamer who likes exclusives, PC and Wii U seem to be the way to go.
 
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Let's be honest though. Everybody talks about how exclusives are what sell consoles but the highest selling games last gen were third party games and the best selling console outside of Wii, was the one that had the least first party exclusives, 360. I don't blame Sony for trimming the fat so to speak, but I don't expect them to have the same output of new ips and take the same risks this gen. As a gamer who likes exclusives, PC and Wii U seem to be the way to go.

A gamer who likes exclusives? You like exclusives more than multiplatforms you mean?
 
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Holy over-reaction!

You're saying that nobody should discuss this? What is more seagull like, asking "what's going on?", or shouting "EVERYTHINGS FINE" over and over?

Oh please. Have you even browsed a single page of those recent cancellation/layoff threads? You can't even go five posts before someone declares the death of the Playstation brand/console industry. Don't even get me started on the airheads pissed about a canceled new IP they knew jack shit about, which for all provided evidence was hemorrhaging money, mismanaged, and most importantly, making a game that just wasn't coming together. But boo! It was a new IP! How dare they cancel it! It's infuriating to hear the same thoughtless outrage, and magnifies how little people understand about how a studio system works and handles creative development.
 

leroidys

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Oh please. Have you even browsed a single page of those recent cancellation/layoff threads? You can't even go five posts before someone declares the death of the Playstation brand/console industry. Don't even get me started on the airheads pissed about a canceled new IP they knew jack shit about, which for all provided evidence were hemorrhaging money, mismanaged, and most importantly, making a game that just wasn't coming together. But boo! It was a new IP! How dare they cancel it! It's infuriating to hear the same thoughtless outrage, and magnifies how little people understand about how a studio system works and handles creative development.

I haven't been in the other threads, no. I don't see any of that in this thread though. The complete (and equally ridiculous) opposite, in fact.
 

Ol No Bones

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I see you guys saying this is no big deal but I think the lack of a rubber ducky demo is pretty ominous. If there wasn't problems we would have seen it by now.
 

SlipperySlope

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They will get loads more of 3rd party support this gen. They have the most powerful and most popular console of this generation. The Xbox brand isn't "cool" anymore.

I don't understand this comment. They got all major 3rd party support last generation. How can you get loads more than "all"?
 

Coolwhip

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With all this talent going to Riot, i'm actually kind of shocked at who they're bringing in.

Amy Hennig
Greg Street
and now Justin Richmond.

Like holy shit, those are some major people.

If anything, half my wonder is about Sony, but the other half wants to know what the hell Riot is prepping for that they're getting people like this.

Is that surprising? LoL is one of the biggest games there is right now.
 

Lunzio

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If this already hasn't been posted, I think Jeff Gerstmann sums it up nicely:

"Seems like a small handful of people who are spread across way different divisions of a company. I wouldn’t read too much into it.

But if you had to try to tie some of it together, I feel like their first-party stuff has been in need of a serious shakeup for years. So maybe they’re finally getting it and that’s resulting in some people quietly being shown the door or people deciding that it’s no longer the place for them. Or maybe it’s a coincidence, the start of a generation is a good time for everyone across all ends of the video game business to take a hard look at what’s around them and decide if this is what they really want to be doing.

I dunno, people try to wrap up every single personnel change into some larger narrative, but we’re talking about individuals who have all kinds of hopes, dreams, and situations. At this point I’ve seen people leave jobs for all sorts of personal reasons that have little to do with where they work. It’s sort of a waste of time to try to make it all meaningful."
 

Deadly Joker

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It's over, period. Sony lost their last ace, and that's the end of their PS4 hopes and dreams.

It's not hyperbole, it's not fanboy drivel. It is LITERALLY it for PS4. Sony has nothing left, nothing they can reveal tomorrow would fix the hole now created. There is no reason left for any one, hardcore or casual, to substantively invest in a PS4. Except if they want to play Ratchet and Clank. Which will also come to Xbone at some point.

The age of Sony is done.

For reference.

http://amir0x.ytmnd.com
 

Harp

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With all this talent going to Riot, i'm actually kind of shocked at who they're bringing in.

Amy Hennig
Greg Street
and now Justin Richmond.

Like holy shit, those are some major people.

If anything, half my wonder is about Sony, but the other half wants to know what the hell Riot is prepping for that they're getting people like this.

Real questions is who is going to actually make the games. Having a bunch of Managers is great. Where are the worker bees?
 

iceatcs

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people need to chill, there is nothing going on out of the ordinary. People leave and restructuring for new types of games etc.

It´s all according to Sony´s plan


Yeah but some have the right to worry. I mean it could change the direction to something we don't want.

But of course over-reaction is purely fanboy thing.
 

Azzurri

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Their Online division has lost like 3/4 of their teams across the US. They're also shutting down 4 MMO's
 

Senor Kami

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Normal turnover combined with heightened scrutiny?

Dat first post tho.

People come people go. The concept of someone working their whole life at one company just doesn't exist anymore. If you weren't grandfathered in back in the 1980s, you can either leave first or be fired/laid off whenever the company is in the mood for it or two years before you're eligible to retire.
 

Sothpaw

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How can you blame Justin? League of Legends does gangbusters compared to any console series. I doubt GTA even compares given it only comes out every 4 years or so.

He just moved on to bigger things and more money. In his case, the biggest thing in gaming.
 
If this already hasn't been posted, I think Jeff Gerstmann sums it up nicely:

"Seems like a small handful of people who are spread across way different divisions of a company. I wouldn’t read too much into it.

But if you had to try to tie some of it together, I feel like their first-party stuff has been in need of a serious shakeup for years. So maybe they’re finally getting it and that’s resulting in some people quietly being shown the door or people deciding that it’s no longer the place for them. Or maybe it’s a coincidence, the start of a generation is a good time for everyone across all ends of the video game business to take a hard look at what’s around them and decide if this is what they really want to be doing.

I dunno, people try to wrap up every single personnel change into some larger narrative, but we’re talking about individuals who have all kinds of hopes, dreams, and situations. At this point I’ve seen people leave jobs for all sorts of personal reasons that have little to do with where they work. It’s sort of a waste of time to try to make it all meaningful."

Someone should explain to Gerstmann that it's actually because Playstation doesn't make any money.
 
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How can you blame Justin? League of Legends does gangbusters compared to any console series. I doubt GTA even compares given it only comes out every 4 years or so.

He just moved on to bigger things and more money. In his case, the biggest thing in gaming.

GTA is bigger in the west.
 

Nibiru

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When a studio or company is successful other companies try to poach the talent by offering massive pay. I expect that's what's happening.
 

CuznLarry

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You know when you hear in the news of a mall shooting, and then five months later another incident kinda like it.. then a bunch of talking heads start screeching about a supposed "mall shooting epidemic". This reminds me of that.
 

Capella

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Their Online division has lost like 3/4 of their teams across the US. They're also shutting down 4 MMO's
They came out and said that is because they are focusing on Planetside 2, DC Universe, and the Everquest Franchise. I'm pretty sure Star Wars Clone Wars is gone due to licensing (EA deal) and the others due to low player population.
 

Thoraxes

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Real questions is who is going to actually make the games. Having a bunch of Managers is great. Where are the worker bees?
Very true.
Is that surprising? LoL is one of the biggest games there is right now.
What could people like them bring to it now though? People like that are people you bring in to plan big newer things, imo.
Uhm, Amy Hennig is not confirmed for Riot at all.
Uh...

Edit: Oh wait, I misread names.
 

KoopaTheCasual

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Very true.

What could people like them bring to it now though? People like that are people you bring in to plan big newer things, imo.

Uh...
http://www.polygon.com/2014/3/27/5554846/uncharted-4-game-director-leaves-naughty-dog-for-riot-games http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/03/27/uncharted-4-game-director-justin-richmond-leaves-naughty-dog
??? I think you may have misread the article? It confirms Justin for Riot, but only stated that Justin and Amy were at one point helming Uncharted 4 together.
 

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Sony needs more gta and skyrim franchises...

Less Motorstorm and star hawk...

There games outside of about 5-7 franchise don't bring in the money, so why not just invest in other Devs like Indy guys and promising exclusives?

Creativity seems to be with only a handful of studios and Indy..I think it's wise for Sony to scale back. And focus on making there top hits 10/10 quality products that maximize sells. (GT Uncharted tlou gow killzone infamous lbp) start a few new Ip, maybe bring back some old favorites like resistance or warhawk and just nurture Indy development. I would also fund the team trying to recreate socom and have a studio (maybe SSM) that just makes smaller games. I would demand at least a 5 game every 5 years output from the team and encourage creativity. Minecraft is proof you don't need the huge budgets anymore for something to catch on.

Hope Sony is doing at least some of this. Blowing resistance warhAwk and socom were some of the biggest screw ups I've ever seen, all 3 had/has potential to be lucrative games. Seriously how did they screw up resistance and warhawk? We just wanted more of the same thing with incremental improvements and the socom community basically spelled out what they wanted in a next gen game. Smh...blown opportunities, along with Sony not snatching up from software and demons souls.
 
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Ever worked in IT? Project cost overruns before shitcanning happens all the time - the conjunction of creative industry + IT can be a recipe for proper black holes, especially if the creative director/s have a lot of traction thanks to past projects.
The costs for GT 5 were less than 100 million while a 100+ staff was working for 5 years for that single game. I believe that there was probably a huge loss for sony but noway the loss was near 100 million or even near 50 million dollars.
 

Fox_Mulder

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stay strong Sony
 

JordanN

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The PS4 is barely 1 years yet. A lot can still happen within the next decade..
Just hope whatever bad news is temporary and the rest of the PS4's lifecycle can live up to the PS2.
 

leroidys

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Sony needs more gta and skyrim franchises...

Less Motorstorm and star hawk...

There games outside of about 5-7 franchise don't bring in the money, so why not just invest in other Devs like Indy guys and promising exclusives?

Creativity seems to be with only a handful of studios and Indy..I think it's wise for Sony to scale back. And focus on making there top hits 10/10 quality products that maximize sells. (GT Uncharted tlou gow killzone infamous lbp) start a few new Ip, maybe bring back some old favorites like resistance or warhawk and just nurture Indy development. I would also fund the team trying to recreate socom and have a studio (maybe SSM) that just makes smaller games. I would demand at least a 5 game every 5 years output from the team and encourage creativity. Minecraft is proof you don't need the huge budgets anymore for something to catch on.

Hope Sony is doing at least some of this. Blowing resistance warhAwk and socom were some of the biggest screw ups I've ever seen, all 3 had/has potential to be lucrative games. Seriously how did they screw up resistance and warhawk? We just wanted more of the same thing with incremental improvements and the socom community basically spelled out what they wanted in a next gen game. Smh...blown opportunities, along with Sony not snatching up from software and demons souls.

Well with The Order and and SSM's new project, it looks like this is the path they are heading towards...

Current score, -$100 million.
 

sn00zer

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Well with The Order and and SSM's new project, it looks like this is the path they are heading towards...

Current score, -$100 million.

Im sure theyve made plenty back with the high retention rate of PS4s....something like one PS4 w/ single game to be profitable
 

Calabi

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You realize the reason Titanfall is Titanfall is because Respawn has an entire headhunted studio of mainly FPS professionals. Right?

That was just a wild and crazy suggestion, its not necessarily the whole devs that would move, but directors, designers, the higher ups should surely be tested in other studios.

Maybe developer studio should stick to their genres(I dont like the idea of rigid genres though. But There should be some(a tiny bit) fluidity and adaptability within the development systems at least. You dont just can studios because they are failing you find out why and you fix them.
 

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They release too many games that don't sell well enough, its unsustainable for a company in Sonys financial position.

The thing is though there is no reason to expect only a weaker Sony to come out of this. There is a very good chance they will be leaner and meaner.
 

leroidys

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Im sure theyve made plenty back with the high retention rate of PS4s....something like one PS4 w/ single game to be profitable

Yeah, I think they'll definitely make money this gen. I'm just very opposed to the AAAA trend, from a vantage of both personal taste and long term fiscal prospects.

That was just a wild and crazy suggestion, its not necessarily the whole devs that would move, but directors, designers, the higher ups should surely be tested in other studios.

Maybe developer studio should stick to their genres(I dont like the idea of rigid genres though. But There should be some(a tiny bit) fluidity and adaptability within the development systems at least. You dont just can studios because they are failing you find out why and you fix them.

I think your observation was an acute one. Movie studios have largely been able to obviate the problem of losing millions on duds by supplementing their income streams with merchandise, subscription services, dvd sales, TV revenues, etc.

This is definitely a path that the industry needs to go down if it's not going to collapse. PS+ is a good first step to generate new revenue streams for shipped software.
 

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Guerilla Cambridge is working on a vita game that is shit and won't sell. They slim down as they retool for another project.

What happened to all WWS developing games for the PS4?
 
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Just my personal taste in games. Sony WWS is my favorite "dev" for sure, but I don't care for any of their AAA projects. I'm not trying to turn this into a discussion about objective quality, so if you don't agree with me just please ignore that post.
Don't let 'em affect you man, I feel the exact same way. I just got a feeling Sony will be focusing more on select AAA games this gen to try and expand their audience, particularly in the West, and that'll come at the detriment of stuff like Crash, Wipeout, Tomba, Omega Boost, Parappa etc. Or Echochrome, Tearaway etc.

Indies will have to take up that mantle and they'll be on PC anyway. Waiting 'till Morpheus until I decide on any next-gen system now.
 

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Sony needs more gta and skyrim franchises...

Less Motorstorm and star hawk...

There games outside of about 5-7 franchise don't bring in the money, so why not just invest in other Devs like Indy guys and promising exclusives?
Sony exclusives never was about money, they were about filling the gaps between genres which bigger players don't see as interesting. Why would Sony want to compete with Rockstar and Bethesda if Sony is getting royalties from their games sales? 1st party development differs from 3rd party, and this is something that nor Nintendo neither MS seem to understand well enough.

Also - did you just say that Sony doesn't invest enough in smaller indie devs?..
 

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Whether it was $75 or $100 million Stig's game cost, it shows everything that's wrong with modern game development.

Why was such a large project even started if they weren't 99% sure of it being a great product ?.
 

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Whether it was $75 or $100 million Stig's game cost, it shows everything that's wrong with modern game development.

Why was such a large project even started if they weren't 99% sure of it being a great product ?.
You're saying you want AAA game development to be even less risk averse?

That is an opinion that is pretty astounding.