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The Hill: Democrats "balk" at the middle class getting assistance during the pandemic shutdown

Zefah

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The Democrats want to give $2000 per adult until things return to normal.
The Republicans want to provide a one time $1000 payment.

That's what people will see, and thats what we'll all remember come November.
That's just not true... They (I think Booker primarily) wanted to give out $2000 to every adult who made less than $90k or couple who made less than $180k as a one time payment, with potential follow ups (up to a maximum of $4500) if things are still bad in summer.

It's just a bunch of bullshit. Pass $1000 for everyone now. Follow up later with more aid if needed. You don't need to bake more potential aid into an immediate plan if it's going to slow things down.

There is no Democratic plan to give $2000 ongoing. Quit making up shit. Booker's plan preallocates (reduced) money in two more stages going out months in a situation that changes by the day, and provides much less money per child. Other Democrats want lower stimulus (around $1000) limited to people who make less than $55k-$65k because they think everyone else are millionaires.

That's what I'll always remember - being lumped in with "millionaires" as the country falls apart because I am in the middle class.

Not to mention that all their whining about people who (legally) do not file taxes getting a limited amount tactically neglects to mention that almost all people in that position are either dependents or on government aid already (Section 8, SSI, Medicaid, etc.).
Beaten... It's crazy to start throwing in income restrictions, honestly. As if folks in San Francisco making $90k a year are any better off than people in rural areas making $30 ~ $50k.
 
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The Democrats want to give $2000 per adult until things return to normal.
The Republicans want to provide a one time $1000 payment.

That's what people will see, and thats what we'll all remember come November.
Only Talib(undocumented included), Bernie, and Waters have said more than 1200. But I don't think any have bills written up or proposed yet.

Fake edit:Oh hadn't seen Booker's idea yet.
 

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That's just not true... They (I think Booker primarily) wanted to give out $2000 to every adult who made less than $90k or couple who made less than $180k as a one time payment, with potential follow ups (up to a maximum of $4500) if things are still bad in summer.

It's just a bunch of bullshit. Pass $1000 for everyone now. Follow up later with more aid if needed. You don't need to bake more potential aid into an immediate plan if it's going to slow things down.



Beaten... It's crazy to start throwing in income restrictions, honestly. As if folks in San Francisco making $90k a year are any better off than people in rural areas making $30 ~ $50k.
The phase out range really should be similar to the Roth IRA phase out up around $120,000 at least. But, like you said, "millionaires". It's not like people who make that much in NYC or LA or SF are paying out a massive chunk of that in rent and local/state taxes or anything.
 

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There is no Democratic plan to give $2000 ongoing. Quit making up shit. Booker's plan preallocates (reduced) money in two more stages going out months in a situation that changes by the day, and provides much less money per child. Other Democrats want lower stimulus (around $1000) limited to people who make less than $55k-$65k because they think everyone else are millionaires.

That's what I'll always remember - being lumped in with "millionaires" as the country falls apart because I am in the middle class.

Not to mention that all their whining about people who (legally) do not file taxes getting a limited amount tactically neglects to mention that almost all people in that position are either dependents or on government aid already (Section 8, SSI, Medicaid, etc.).
You win post of the fucking day right there!!!!!!!!!! I've said for years that I want the Dems forced to answer, on camera and under oath, what their definition of middle class is. Now it seems both sides deserve the same grilling.

There should be no cash benefits for those already living off the public dole, and the phaseouts should be starting probably 50k per year higher for individuals and families. 75k might be solid middle class in Alabama or Montana, but for much of the country 75k probably means huge credit card debt, student loans, and paycheck to paycheck because of cost of living
 

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There is no Democratic plan to give $2000 ongoing. Quit making up shit. Booker's plan preallocates (reduced) money in two more stages going out months in a situation that changes by the day, and provides much less money per child. Other Democrats want lower stimulus (around $1000) limited to people who make less than $55k-$65k because they think everyone else are millionaires.

That's what I'll always remember - being lumped in with "millionaires" as the country falls apart because I am in the middle class.

Not to mention that all their whining about people who (legally) do not file taxes getting a limited amount tactically neglects to mention that almost all people in that position are either dependents or on government aid already (Section 8, SSI, Medicaid, etc.).
The new House bill says exactly that.
$2000 per adult, $1000 per kid till the crisis is over.
It lowers the amount if you make over $75,000 or $150,000 as a couple, but those of us in NY and SF and other major cities who make that much are comfortably working from home right now.

 

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For the immediate payout, I say fuck it. Who cares if some number of people who might be "undeserving" depending on your ideology get $1000? This is an extraordinary event and immediate action is required. Do the first and then debate about the follow up. 210 million adult Americans X $1000 is $210 billion. That's not that much in the grand scheme of things.
 

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The new House bill says exactly that.
$2000 per adult, $1000 per kid till the crisis is over.
It lowers the amount if you make over $75,000 or $150,000 as a couple, but those of us in NY and SF and other major cities who make that much are comfortably working from home right now.

So they doubled their own bills after blocking a more generous one from Republicans and throwing in blue-haired allocations in board rooms?

Surely they care!
 
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Zefah

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The new House bill says exactly that.
$2000 per adult, $1000 per kid till the crisis is over.
It lowers the amount if you make over $75,000 or $150,000 as a couple, but those of us in NY and SF and other major cities who make that much are comfortably working from home right now.

Jesus Christ it's over 1,100 pages (almost double that of the Senate bill). When did they release this?

Any summary of what else is in it?
 

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From the the other thread, but holy shit. Read this Twitter thread:


It's a goddamn Democratic Party wishlist. These fuckers are playing pure politics when they need to be moving fast to distribute much needed aid.

Did the Republican Senate bill have a bunch of ideological pork in it, too? I honestly, don't know, but the House bill is a goddamn disgrace.
 
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From the the other thread, but holy shit. Read this Twitter thread:


It's a goddamn Democratic Party wishlist. These fuckers are playing pure politics when they need to be moving fast to distribute much needed aid.

Did the Republican Senate bill have a bunch of ideological pork in it, too? I honestly, don't know, but the House bill is a goddamn disgrace.
It had a "slush fund" where people actually think Trump would send half a billion dollars to himself.

Yes, people are that delusional.
 
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Democrats are using this as an opportunity to try and cull power, in the time of crisis for American citizens.

Fucking despicable.
 
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The new House bill says exactly that.
$2000 per adult, $1000 per kid till the crisis is over.
It lowers the amount if you make over $75,000 or $150,000 as a couple, but those of us in NY and SF and other major cities who make that much are comfortably working from home right now.

Over 1000 pages.

Jesus, government needs to be simplified.
 
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I love the part of the COVID-19 bill that address allowing same day voter registration.

And funding minority banks and credit unions.

In a COVID-19 bill....
 
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I love the part of the COVID-19 bill that address allowing same day voter registration.

And funding minority banks and credit unions.

In a COVID-19 bill....
And $40 billion dollars to liberal universities. More money that will be available as low interest loans to small businesses.

Wait until you get to them "reforming" tax credits!
 
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On FB all my democrat friends that are self employed or work for small companies are starting to get pissed at Pelosi.
 

infinitys_7th

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On FB all my democrat friends that are self employed or work for small companies are starting to get pissed at Pelosi.
Post this to them (or however it works on Facebook):



This is the sort of thing that Democrats want to implement by holding the country hostage. Spread the word.
 
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This was always going to happen. A quick simple idea blows into a couple trillion dollars stuffed with bullshit for both sides and then they still can’t agree.
What bullshit is the Republicans trying to include? I've seen black and white text documenting the Democrats bullshit, but so far I've only seen generalizations that the Republicans deny being alleged against them (stock buybacks).

Seriously, is there a provision in the Republican bill banning abortion, or insisting that all checks are packaged with free handguns for every adult?
 

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They want to get their "Republicans turn down relief bill" headlines.
Right after the media covered up Democrats in the Senate turning down the Republican relief bill. Someone posted an image of the headlines changing from something like "Democrats stall stimulus bill" to "Partisan gridlock stalls stimulus bill".
 
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Why do you care? You're not gonna vote differently. They know this and they've known this since Trump took office and the antics began.
Apparently Trump Fanatic Syndrome creates this us vs them dynamic just as much as TDS does.

I voted for the moron, all hail King Trump
 
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You didn't vote for Hilary.
You voted a straight Republican ticket? Impressive, never would've gotten that impression. Take pride in the fact that you voted for a... how did you put it? A moron.

Nah, I voted my conscious.

Back to the original topic: Democrats know folks won't vote differently. Sneaking things into bills or through courts is what they've built their political dynasty on for the last 30 years.
 

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You voted a straight Republican ticket? Impressive, never would've gotten that impression. Take pride in the fact that you voted for a... how did you put it? A moron.

Nah, I voted my conscious.

Back to the original topic: Democrats know folks won't vote differently. Sneaking things into bills or through courts is what they've built their political dynasty on for the last 30 years.
Lol, so now you wanna spin yourself as Mr. think for himself Independent. How convenient.

Then you go back saying nebulous democrats are hive thinkers, knowing you'd do the same thing in reverse once everyday and four times on Sunday.
 
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Lol, so now you wanna spin yourself as Mr. think for himself Independent. How convenient.

Then you go back saying nebulous democrats are hive thinkers, knowing you'd do the same thing in reverse once everyday and four times on Sunday.
Sheesh... what are you going to be like in 15 days.
 
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Lol, so now you wanna spin yourself as Mr. think for himself Independent. How convenient.

Then you go back saying nebulous democrats are hive thinkers, knowing you'd do the same thing in reverse once everyday and four times on Sunday.
That didn't really answer the question. You voted a straight Republican ticket? Seeing how we're talking about seats in congress and not the office of president, your protest vote for King Moron is irrelevant.
 

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So if you didn't report income in 2018, or if you earned less that $2,500 you're not eligible for a check?
 

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So if you didn't report income in 2018, or if you earned less that $2,500 you're not eligible for a check?
It was 18 / 19 and I believe they got rid of the minimum.

Edit: I'm not entirely sure about the minimum, but I know some Republican Senators were against it like Sen. (R) Hawley. I would be surprised if they had not removed it by the end. We won't know though because Democrats have refused to even bring the bill up for discussion.
 
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That didn't really answer the question. You voted a straight Republican ticket? Seeing how we're talking about seats in congress and not the office of president, your protest vote for King Moron is irrelevant.
Almost. I live in a weird state. There were some libertarian dingos (truly crazies) on the menu versus a democrat, so I chose a democrat once, and voted for neither another time. Who did you vote for then?
 

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So if you didn't report income in 2018, or if you earned less that $2,500 you're not eligible for a check?
Under the original Senate bill you would get at least $600 (+ money for kids). Apparently that amount could be increased, but I'm not sure what the criteria were.
 
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The Democrats want to give $2000 per adult until things return to normal.
The Republicans want to provide a one time $1000 payment.

That's what people will see, and thats what we'll all remember come November.
I sincerely hope you're correct: That people will see the effort to literally buy votes will be remembered.
 

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• Nullifies the White House executive orders on federal collective bargaining and codifies taxpayer-funded union official time.
• Requires a labor union representative on every airline’s board of directors.


• Multiemployer pension bailout lacking needed reforms.


• Permanently raises the minimum wage to $15 for any business that receives federal aid for COVID-19.


• Cancels all debt owed by the U.S. Postal Service to the Treasury.


Under the heading “Green New Deal priorities”:


• Requires all airlines that receive assistance to offset carbon emissions for domestic flights by 2025.


• Includes a $1 billion “cash for clunkers” airplane program where the Transportation Department buys fuel-inefficient planes from airlines in exchange for agreeing to buy new ones.


• Includes expansive new tax-credit for solar and wind energy.


Under “Student Loan Forgiveness”:


• $10,000 blanket loan forgiveness.


Under “Federalizing Elections”:


• Mandates how states must run elections, including the nationalization of ballot harvesting, requiring early voting, same day registration, and no-excuse vote by mail.


• Puts states at risk of costly litigation if they are unable to implement these stringent mandates ahead of the 2020 election.


Under “Immigration Provisions”:


• Requires the Homeland Security Department to automatically extend visas and work authorizations expiring within the next year, including those with Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals and Temporary Protected Status, for an amount of time equal to their prior visa, authorization or status.


• Limits Customs and Border Patrol’s ability to shutdown processing centers if there is a health crisis on the border and requires CBP to assure the timely adjudication of asylums applications.


• Would allow certain funding to go to sanctuary cities.


Under “Overreaching Mandates on Businesses”:


• Permanent changes to who can serve on corporate boards of directors for companies that receive assistance for payroll and operating costs.


• Mandatory disclosure on supply chain management.


• Requires board diversity disclosure for all publicly traded companies.


• Ban on all federal rulemaking including non-COVID 19 proposals (extends 30 days after emergency) “in an attempt to delay the current administration from promulgating actions House Democrats disagree with.”
Under “New Permanent Mandates”:


• Virtually rewrites the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program policy with no reference to COVID-19 and permanently disallows rulemaking pertaining to work requirements and eligibility.


• Permanent expansion of Obamacare entitlement, “putting the American taxpayer on the hook for endless and unchecked health insurance spending and would remove all incentives for insurers to reduce the cost of health insurance.”


Mr. Scalise said the Democrats’ bill also excludes bipartisan health-care provision in the Senate bill, including a proposal to expand telehealth access for home dialysis patients, hospice and home health patients; and a measure to prevent a payment reduction for durable medical equipment to help patients’ better transition from the hospital to home.


“Instead of working in a bipartisan, bicameral way to provide this immediate relief, the speaker has proposed legislation that includes highly partisan provisions while excluding key patient care provisions that would have a real impact on Americans affected by COVID-19,” Mr. Scalise told his Republican colleagues.

Will they ever make a bill that doesn't look like it's been written by r/politics or that other forum?
 
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Say what you want about socialism, but everyone wants the government's money, and they want it bad. I got mines = get ahead regardless of whose money it is.