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The Joker controversy
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GV82
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I am sorry to what happened back at the release of TDKR, I am sorry for those that lost their lives and their friends & family I really am but didn't we say that we should not allow the terrorists to win correct or did we change our minds on that?
I remember saying we should still go to the movies, but imo we should defy whoever also tells us that we should or should not watch something for fear something could, might, maybe potentially inspire some group of individuals who are probably already mentally ill anyway and if not this, then they could be inspired by any piece of Art at any time given and it has in the past. Therefore we owe it to ourselves to defy the groups that try to prevent us from making our own decisions over what art we should or should not consume by criticising it, by trying to cancel the people involved & from shutting down the sane fans who enjoy this sort of thing that would never attempt anything they see onscreen.
I do respect if a cinema decides they don’t want to show it, out of respect, that’s fair but I don’t feel it’s fair for a group of people to want to cancel this, if they haven’t yet they only a matter of time before they do.
I absolutely love the Quote that Banksy has recently added to his new installation, written on the flyer if anyone follows Banksy’s work at all?
The Quote said said “Art irritates life”
I think that little statement says a LOT in my mind, it really resonates with me.
I also think a small part of fear/controversy in the public mind which hasn’t been discussed is his make up potentially wright? Unlike every Joker onscreen previously it appears more clown like and people these days really fear & dread clowns, maybe they don’t even realise what is triggering I’d their Coulrophobia.
Cesar Romero that one time not counting because I feel that the fear of clowns thing came more prominent after his run on batman in the 60’s, whilst it did exist before Then most likely I feel it was after Gacy & everything going forward that made it a more widespread fear, especially linked to murders.
I remember saying we should still go to the movies, but imo we should defy whoever also tells us that we should or should not watch something for fear something could, might, maybe potentially inspire some group of individuals who are probably already mentally ill anyway and if not this, then they could be inspired by any piece of Art at any time given and it has in the past. Therefore we owe it to ourselves to defy the groups that try to prevent us from making our own decisions over what art we should or should not consume by criticising it, by trying to cancel the people involved & from shutting down the sane fans who enjoy this sort of thing that would never attempt anything they see onscreen.
I do respect if a cinema decides they don’t want to show it, out of respect, that’s fair but I don’t feel it’s fair for a group of people to want to cancel this, if they haven’t yet they only a matter of time before they do.
I absolutely love the Quote that Banksy has recently added to his new installation, written on the flyer if anyone follows Banksy’s work at all?
The Quote said said “Art irritates life”
I think that little statement says a LOT in my mind, it really resonates with me.
I also think a small part of fear/controversy in the public mind which hasn’t been discussed is his make up potentially wright? Unlike every Joker onscreen previously it appears more clown like and people these days really fear & dread clowns, maybe they don’t even realise what is triggering I’d their Coulrophobia.
Cesar Romero that one time not counting because I feel that the fear of clowns thing came more prominent after his run on batman in the 60’s, whilst it did exist before Then most likely I feel it was after Gacy & everything going forward that made it a more widespread fear, especially linked to murders.
Explosive Zombie
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Fox Mulder
Member
It’s pathetic that this concern only exists because the same people desperately want it to happen.
DeepEnigma
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Fake
Member
Yes I guess. Its hard to take his opinion serious.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Reviews, both positive and negative, are saying it sheds a light on class warfare and overall has leftist undercurrents.
www.hollywoodintoto.com
theknow.denverpost.com
I hope some conservatives who see this film can come away with something. We need more leftist movies less (read: not at all) focused on identity politics and more focused on economics, wage disparity, healthcare.
Mesmerizing 'Joker' Targets Oscar, Not Off-Screen Violence
When was the last time a movie dominated the conversation for the best of reasons? Director Todd Phillips' 'Joker' nailed the 'conversation' part months ago. His sober spin on Batman's arch nemesis, we were told, left the comic book blueprint in the circular file. The movie itself lives up to...
www.hollywoodintoto.com
Review: Todd Phillips’ “Joker” takes Batman’s nemesis to his darkest place yet
“Joker” deserves to be viewed on its own terms, as tough as that will be for many people.
theknow.denverpost.com
I hope some conservatives who see this film can come away with something. We need more leftist movies less (read: not at all) focused on identity politics and more focused on economics, wage disparity, healthcare.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
Reviews, both positive and negative, are saying it sheds a light on class warfare and overall has leftist undercurrents.
Mesmerizing 'Joker' Targets Oscar, Not Off-Screen Violence
When was the last time a movie dominated the conversation for the best of reasons? Director Todd Phillips' 'Joker' nailed the 'conversation' part months ago. His sober spin on Batman's arch nemesis, we were told, left the comic book blueprint in the circular file. The movie itself lives up to...
Review: Todd Phillips’ “Joker” takes Batman’s nemesis to his darkest place yet
“Joker” deserves to be viewed on its own terms, as tough as that will be for many people.
I hope some conservatives who see this film can come away with something. We need more leftist movies less (read: not at all) focused on identity politics and more focused on economics, wage disparity, healthcare.
They forgot those aren't leftist issues any more, the left's only issues are "Orange Man Bad", "I want to abort my baby who was already born" and "OMG don't offend LGBTQ++204309JEFKJDFJDKFGJDJF"
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Everyone with a teenager has thought about this to be fair.
MacReady13
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I don't get my games news from this guy, and I certainly don't listen to his views on film, especially since he was a BIG fan of The Last Jedi and felt the need to push/promote it so much on twitter. He's just a fucking typical virtue signalling fake male feminist moron.
sol_bad
Member
WOW
Really?
We actually looked for political reasonings within the Joker film?
Jesus, just sit back and relax. I said in the other thread that I thought it was a great film but I can also see people having the opinion that @-Fake quoted.
I can definitely see people thinking it was just simply boring.
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Not really aiming my comment at you zombie, just generalising.
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EverydayBeast
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Even if you aren't a fan of the Joker, I would still take a look at this movie for its directing achievements, beautiful movie.
IzukuMidoriya
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If anything, 4chan is having a field day with these Joker memes. 
C4lukin2
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I do not think the intent of the film, is to justify certain behavior.
It is simply about, telling a version of the story of one of the most popular comic villains, in a modern setting.
Everyone who is making it out to be more then that, has an agenda, or is justifying their poor behavior and using this film to do so.
And very few of us have seen it at this point, and those who are making a thing of it mostly have not seen it either.
So I hate to comment on a film I have not yet watched. And I cannot condemn its critics, many of who have not watched the film as well.
But I think the average film goer, is going to enjoy or hate the experience. And it will come down to those that can dismiss the film because they are in touch with reality, and those that blame the film for idolizing violence towards the people that bully and neglect the insane.
In general, logical people will see it as a film. Idiots will politicize it. And crazy people will use it to justify violence. And none of that is the films fault.
It is simply about, telling a version of the story of one of the most popular comic villains, in a modern setting.
Everyone who is making it out to be more then that, has an agenda, or is justifying their poor behavior and using this film to do so.
And very few of us have seen it at this point, and those who are making a thing of it mostly have not seen it either.
So I hate to comment on a film I have not yet watched. And I cannot condemn its critics, many of who have not watched the film as well.
But I think the average film goer, is going to enjoy or hate the experience. And it will come down to those that can dismiss the film because they are in touch with reality, and those that blame the film for idolizing violence towards the people that bully and neglect the insane.
In general, logical people will see it as a film. Idiots will politicize it. And crazy people will use it to justify violence. And none of that is the films fault.
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MetalAlien
Banned
They were doing car searches at the Drive In (they never do that). Not sure what they were looking for though since I had my service pistol with me and they didn't seem to mind at all...lol
brap
Banned
Gramps, what are you talking about? It's not the 70s anymore. Take your meds.
MetalAlien
Banned
I only go to the Drive In.
brap
Banned
Are there actually still drive-in's where you live? I always wanted to go to one and watch old movies.
MetalAlien
Banned
A few on the west coast at least.
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Naru
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I am still trying to make sense of it all but I just can not. I just don't get it. What is so different about this Joker, why didn't we have the same reaction to Heath Ledger's or Jack Nicholson's Joker? What is so different about the violence in this movie compared to other violent movies? I've read some articles but nothing answers the many questions I have. Maybe it has something to do that I am not from the US... or that I don't even know what a "Orange Man" is lol
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I saw it and thought the movie was phenomenal. I don’t really get all the manufactured controversy. The movie was about a guy with mental issues that couldn’t get help and the growing disparity between the rich and the poor. Certainly those are issues that have been covered plenty of times. There were only a few violent scenes. None of it was glorified. Had I not read anything on the internet I wouldn’t have known the movie was “controversial” after seeing it.
Anyways....I’d recommend seeing it.
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I don't think it's the fact that the content of the movie is different or more violent etc.
The problem seems to just be down to the cultural "background" of the movie.
After movies like Black Panther and Captain Marvel have gotten so much hype for "breaking the glass ceiling" and have been heralded as "finally a movie for oppressed groups" it kind of created an impression that Joker is almost the antithesis of that.
That is not true but I believe that was the perception.
So if Ghostbusters, The Last Jedi, Black Panther and Capt. Marvel are seen as giving a big middle finger to "The Alt-Right" and then Joker comes along...
Some people think only in terms of The Culture War and there's only really "with us" or "against us".
They kind of flirted with the idea when that "Alita: Battle Angel" movie was a bit popular but popular with "the wrong people".
Like a movie can be bad just because of what people might like it.
The difference is that back in the day a DC Comics movie was just that. You're either into that stuff or not and that's about as far as it goes.
In modern times people are trying to "claim" a movie for their "side" and the flip-side of that is you have to pan movies that you see as belonging to the other side.
The reaction is basically "people we don't like might like this movie and that's a problem".
Fox Mulder
Member
It’s 2019.
The people crying about this movie are probably wishing shootings actually happen too.
lifa-cobex
Member
Joker viewers around the globe WALK OUT of movie theatres
The R-rated supervillain flick smashed October opening-day box office records after taking home $39.9 million in domestic ticket sales on Friday, is on pace to take in a $92 million weekend total.
Watched it today.
What a fucking nontroversy.
Fantastic acting, sound track and really well filmed.
I have no fucking clue what the press are going from.
Clown world indeed.
Ellis
Member
Funny thing is, so is Batman.
lifa-cobex
Member
Batman probably killed more people in that Batman v Superman.
interactivemonodrama
Banned
I always wondering that how many people died because batman wasn't willing to kill the joker.
cryptoadam
Banned
Is it just me or is there a seriuose lack of advertising/media for this movie? If I didn't know better I would have no idea it came out this week.
No YouTube ads, radio spots,(I don't watch TV so not sure about commercials) almost nothing except for the "controversy". I know its not a conventional superhero movie, but its still a DC movie and still a "comic book" movie. Its like the movie doesn't exist.
No YouTube ads, radio spots,(I don't watch TV so not sure about commercials) almost nothing except for the "controversy". I know its not a conventional superhero movie, but its still a DC movie and still a "comic book" movie. Its like the movie doesn't exist.
lifa-cobex
Member
or at least cut his hands and legs off.
Verdanth
Member
The thing with Joker is it tells a transformation of a weak and fragile person to someone, who, through violence, is able to start a movement where the weaks speak and stand up for themselves against the higher classes. I don't understand all the controversy honestly, since that's exactly what we are having in many places around the globe.
Are we suppose to ignore those and be extremely shocked with the Joker? Please.
Are we suppose to ignore those and be extremely shocked with the Joker? Please.
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hariseldon
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What a truly magnificent film. In some ways it feels like a film out of time, evoking the classics of the 70s, acted and shot beautifully. I’m glad it exists, it’s a film which reminds us what film can be.
OmegaSupreme
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The weekend is almost over. Any horrible violence happen because of this movie? No? What a shock. Going to try and check it out tonight. Looking forward to it.
Schrödinger's cat
Banned
Didn't you hear?
It's only because of the warnings and fears raised by concerned internet journalists that nothing bad has yet happened.
Or, at least, that's what some of the self-fellating articles that'll appear in the next few days will tell us.
#Phonepunk#
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Shakespeare once said, "When you've lost the good graces of 
agentbizzle, all hope for your show is thus forsaken."
agentbizzle, all hope for your show is thus forsaken."
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DeepEnigma
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Perhaps the “controversies” are being manufactured by the ruling class/establishment.
Panda1
Banned
But in the film he kills the people in the train randomly - he did not know they were Wayne employees.
He did not start any movement . He was a catalyst for it maybe, but he had no idea and did it because he was mental.
Nickolaidas
Member
"And when we go back home, I'm going to buy him Grand Theft Auto V and let him murder some hookers."
Lady, as long as there are stupid parents who will take their kids to see movies like 'Joker', cinemas (and other places) will never be safe.
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SLUG_____
Neo Member
They are digging so hard it's insane. Now they're pushing this BS about Rock and Roll Part 2 being in the movie, because it was written by a "convicted child sex offender" (CNN). That song is in probably a hundred movies and plays at thousands of stadiums all over the world. Never heard one controversy about it until Joker.
Babylon Bee nailed it:
babylonbee.com
Now we're at the stage where the media is so angry that no one shot up a theater that they have to shift into some other Alinskyite tactic.
People wonder why no one trusts the press.
Babylon Bee nailed it:
Media Horrified By Lack Of Violence At Joker Screenings
U.S.—Our nation’s intrepid journalists had been warning the country about the threat of the Joker movie and how it could encourage violence among disaffected white people and incels -- the new greatest threat to mankind. And as reporters prepared for an onslaught of violence as Joker premiered...
babylonbee.com
Now we're at the stage where the media is so angry that no one shot up a theater that they have to shift into some other Alinskyite tactic.
People wonder why no one trusts the press.
autoduelist
Member
The Joker, a mentally ill, broken man with no real political stance is barely capable of getting through his day. He lashes out in violence at 3 men, not for who they are, or who they represent, but just because. His anger could just as easily have been aimed at the earlier kids.
A movement grows, not because of anything he stands for, but because people are willing to burn down their own city ignoring how that might actually affect them and everyone they know. Ignorant of the fact they aren't protesters... just vandals and looters, killers and criminals. They have turned Gotham into a shithole, not Thomas Wayne - he was running for mayor and trying to actually fix things.
They aren't 'speaking up' for themselves, they are showing themselves as the destroyers they really are. Just Joker's henchmen, following a mad man into a life of violence and villainy, smashing windows rather than simply making the world around them a better place by being kind, or picking up trash, or going to work.
Yeah, not controversial at all.
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Verdanth
Member
A valid point, but I dont agree at all.
autoduelist
Member
Hence the controversy, i think. The movie is highly critical of both the upper class, media class, and of leftist activists. Criticizing the rich is hardly controversial, but Joker takes aim square at antifa [clown masks], media [DeNiro's character, etc], and leftist government [80's gotham is Democrat run 80's NYC, full of crime, porn theatres, and street violence before Giuliani cleaned it up].
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Lionel Richie
Member
Going to watch it this weekend, couldn't get a ticket for the opening. Love to see it breaking all kinds of records and I'm definitely doing my part to help. Todd Phillips is a punk rock alpha male, part of me wants to believe the team knew what they were doing and that the media would try this bullshit cancelling strategy and they went ahead anyway because someone needs to stand up for these agenda pushing mongoloids.
KillCleanEat
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Not reading any posts because I won't see the movie till tomorrow night.
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MetalAlien
Banned
What a bunch of limp dick cry bitches.Joker viewers around the globe WALK OUT of movie theatres
The R-rated supervillain flick smashed October opening-day box office records after taking home $39.9 million in domestic ticket sales on Friday, is on pace to take in a $92 million weekend total.www.dailymail.co.uk
Watched it today.
What a fucking nontroversy.
Fantastic acting, sound track and really well filmed.
I have no fucking clue what the press are going from.
Clown world indeed.