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The King Of Fighters XIII Hype
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The Take Out Bandit
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haunts said:
Only if it's sprite based 2D! >:|
Since this is the hype thread, let me officially say I'm hyped for this game. I've never been much of a KoFer, but after having played XIII I've got to say I'm sold. Every time I play SFIV or SSFIV I can't help but come away complaining how shitty it "feels". I don't know if that's just by design or a result of it being 3D. Maybe it's the HD lag on... every SFIV setup I've played. Whatever the problem it doesn't feel as responsive as SF3 and after having played XIII I can say it falls well short of that as well. The game looks beautiful and feels like a real "next gen" incarnation of a classic fighting game, unlike the aforementioned. It was fun as hell too.
Once again I suck at KoF, but I was doing all kinds of crazy-awesome looking shit with K'. King was okay as well, but not as noob-friendly, unless you consider her losing her shirt when you inevitably get your ass handed to you as being noob-friendly. I played as Terry as well, who was kind of blaise compared to some of the other fighters. Anyway, this game rocks and seems deep enough to hang around for a while.
Once again I suck at KoF, but I was doing all kinds of crazy-awesome looking shit with K'. King was okay as well, but not as noob-friendly, unless you consider her losing her shirt when you inevitably get your ass handed to you as being noob-friendly. I played as Terry as well, who was kind of blaise compared to some of the other fighters. Anyway, this game rocks and seems deep enough to hang around for a while.
The Take Out Bandit
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Dali said:
TESTIFY!
Where did you get to play it?
GotchaForce
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I remember reading a good deal of the KOF team came from the SF2 team. It'd be interesting to see them come back to Capcom (if any are left and aren't tired of living under their desks). While I love sprites, I love polys too (I enjoyed the Maximum Impact games) and wouldn't mind seeing a CVS3 based on the SF4 engine once SFxT is done with. I like haunts' idea of Capcom iterating on KOF13 but I wonder how enthused they'd be since they keep stating they don't want to over-saturate the market.
Tokyo (Akihabara) a couple of weeks ago. I took some video with my camera in my lap, but it sucks pretty bad as the camera was... in my lap. On top of that it's not very compelling because I suck.The Take Out Bandit said:
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Wait a minute... I just read your post title. Damn I hate you, dude.
The Take Out Bandit
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Rehashing an existing KoF game is only permissable in the present day where SNK is as wounded as it is. I'm not saying the Ultimate Match games aren't fun, but when SNK was in it's prime it didn't need to have Super King of Fighters '95 because in the next year we'd get a new installment. Which worked for a while, until SNK ended up on skid row.
All I want is for SNK to get back on it's feet, if anything ditch the numbered interations and go back to the year of release. It's tradition.
But yeah, Capcom rehashed games because it didn't have the massive stable of fighters SNK had in it's prime. If anything, SNK stuck with titles a bit longer than Capcom who seemed more content with letting new titles that didn't gain commercial success fall by the wayside.
What I'm arguing against here is the danger that comes in all corporations whittling it's franchises down to ONE or TWO franchises that get beaten to death Activision/EA style.
In a perfect world SNK would find it's footing and KoF would thrive, then we'd get a new Garou, a new SamSho, a new World Heroes, a new Last Blade. Etc.
I know it's crazy in today's market where fighting games have seemingly been "saved" by Capcom and there's a generation who didn't grow up when coin-op games were abundant in America; but that's the way it used to be and there's no reason it can't be if we have reasonable expectations and developers use the download services instead of clogging store shelves with another retail SKU.
ANY genre can experience fatigue; but that doesn't mean it needs to die.
All I want is for SNK to get back on it's feet, if anything ditch the numbered interations and go back to the year of release. It's tradition.
But yeah, Capcom rehashed games because it didn't have the massive stable of fighters SNK had in it's prime. If anything, SNK stuck with titles a bit longer than Capcom who seemed more content with letting new titles that didn't gain commercial success fall by the wayside.
What I'm arguing against here is the danger that comes in all corporations whittling it's franchises down to ONE or TWO franchises that get beaten to death Activision/EA style.
In a perfect world SNK would find it's footing and KoF would thrive, then we'd get a new Garou, a new SamSho, a new World Heroes, a new Last Blade. Etc.
I know it's crazy in today's market where fighting games have seemingly been "saved" by Capcom and there's a generation who didn't grow up when coin-op games were abundant in America; but that's the way it used to be and there's no reason it can't be if we have reasonable expectations and developers use the download services instead of clogging store shelves with another retail SKU.
ANY genre can experience fatigue; but that doesn't mean it needs to die.
Choppasmith
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Fersis said:
Exactly how I feel!
That would be GLORIOUS!
But yeah I think the best that might turn up at CES is Capcom announcing CVS2 HD Remix and SNK announcing SvC Chaos for the NG Station. Yeah I like that game, though I do wish we could get a sequel and/or the UM treatment.
The Take Out Bandit said:
Exactly. God knows that there's more than enough FPSes out there, with seemingly more arriving on the scene all the time. The bottomline is that there still an audience that buys enough of these games to make it worth the while. I'd like to think that fighting games can easily do that too, if the companies play their cards right. :lol
But if such is going to happen, yeah, SNK definitely does need to build itself up. The fact that it lost valuable time and resources due to the "Death and Rebirth" restructuring a decade ago doesn't help matters, and now they're really behind in the "game", as it were.
Again, I wouldn't mind at all if ASW decided to pal around with them, not unlike how ASW and Examu are now apparently business partners (though Examu is still its own entity still), if the upcoming AH3 PS360 port is anything to go by. If ASW wants to set itself up as a bastion for 2D fighting gamed as a whole, that would be fine. Besides, ASW and SNK should understand each other! They both were companies that escaped from harsh mistresses that were only bringing them down (Aruze and Sammy, in each respective case). :lol
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TreIII said:
If watching years of super robot anime has taught me nothing, it's that - with courage a 10% chance can become 100%!
Remember kids this week is CES! Im already hyped.
First showing of KOFXIII on consoles ?
Capcom announcing SNKP acquisition ?
Fersis hired as Garou 2 Director ?
Choo choo the hype train is here!
EDIT: Hello boxerprogrammer! As you may see theres a lot of love for the old SNK!
Sad to hear about your experiences on the 'current SNK'.
First showing of KOFXIII on consoles ?
Capcom announcing SNKP acquisition ?
Fersis hired as Garou 2 Director ?
Choo choo the hype train is here!
EDIT: Hello boxerprogrammer! As you may see theres a lot of love for the old SNK!
Sad to hear about your experiences on the 'current SNK'.
gundamkyoukai
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I was happy that KOFXIII was doing good in the arcades but if they still going to half as the console port like XII they can fuck off.
The lost allot of people with XII fucking up XIII is a no no .
The lost allot of people with XII fucking up XIII is a no no .
akilshohen
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Capcom buying SNKP would be mind blowing.
The Take Out Bandit
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gundamkyoukai said:
:|
Maybe you should read a few pages back for the explanation to that one.
Augemitbutter
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akilshohen said:
yea, they would be able to get away with more shit than they do now
The Take Out Bandit
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King of Fighters XII is arriving this week.
For all that's wrong with the game, the relationship I have with this series is too great for me to entirely discredit the hard work that went into completely overhauling the game visuals. Plus I'm fond of the SamSho style zooming.
Too little too late, but I believe in SNK all staff!
For all that's wrong with the game, the relationship I have with this series is too great for me to entirely discredit the hard work that went into completely overhauling the game visuals. Plus I'm fond of the SamSho style zooming.
Too little too late, but I believe in SNK all staff!
The Take Out Bandit said:King of Fighters XII is arriving this week.
For all that's wrong with the game, the relationship I have with this series is too great for me to entirely discredit the hard work that went into completely overhauling the game visuals. Plus I'm fond of the SamSho style zooming.
Too little too late, but I believe in SNK all staff!
Heh, I just picked up KOF12 brand new for 10 bucks. I figured at that price it was worth putting some time into it for the visuals alone. :lol
The Take Out Bandit
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Fersis said:Better late than never huh?
Oh and if you use any sprite softing ill add you to my ignore list
WHAT!?
Pixels are beautiful! :3
Ahhh, bump with no content! Let me help Remedy that!
Combo Vid for Ash/Betty/Duo/Shen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wug_FR9UDtc
SNKP + CES = no show, apparently. Not like anyone should be that suprised.
They asked in an "Ask Capcom" what the CES thing meant, and the Capcom guys responded that they had no idea of what all that was about, sooo... who knows.
I had to avoid posting walls of XIII alt colors the other day, when the "Aksys makes the best color alts!" thing came up in the MvC3 threads! Yuri and Raiden's colors looks a LOT better than things from either games, I'd say... ASW does a solid job, surely, but I find some of their contrast work to be a bit odd at times.
I don't hate MvC3's colors, but some of them do look awkward. And since there's so few colors in comparision (though I understand WHY), it makes it easier to be annoyed by specific colors... The colors in XIII are just so cool! I still smile at the Martial Champions Yuri color.
Combo Vid for Ash/Betty/Duo/Shen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wug_FR9UDtc
SNKP + CES = no show, apparently. Not like anyone should be that suprised.
They asked in an "Ask Capcom" what the CES thing meant, and the Capcom guys responded that they had no idea of what all that was about, sooo... who knows.
I had to avoid posting walls of XIII alt colors the other day, when the "Aksys makes the best color alts!" thing came up in the MvC3 threads!
Yuri and Raiden's colors looks a LOT better than things from either games, I'd say... ASW does a solid job, surely, but I find some of their contrast work to be a bit odd at times.I don't hate MvC3's colors, but some of them do look awkward. And since there's so few colors in comparision (though I understand WHY), it makes it easier to be annoyed by specific colors... The colors in XIII are just so cool! I still smile at the Martial Champions Yuri color.
Why has it been so long since arcade infinity did any nice hd videos.
Anyway, kofXII...actually seeing this game in motion in front of you is truly something else. How could anyone possibly complain about the pixels? Blows my mind. This is actual, honest to god next gen pixel art! Be praying XIII has the option to disable filters. Online play is absolutely abominable though. It's a shame I actually have to play the game to see the visuals. :lol
Beat the arcade mode in under 8 minutes without losing a round on normal the first time I played it. That's all kinds of wrong. (also, time trial? seriously?)
I need XIII now more than ever.
Anyway, kofXII...actually seeing this game in motion in front of you is truly something else. How could anyone possibly complain about the pixels? Blows my mind. This is actual, honest to god next gen pixel art! Be praying XIII has the option to disable filters. Online play is absolutely abominable though. It's a shame I actually have to play the game to see the visuals. :lol
Beat the arcade mode in under 8 minutes without losing a round on normal the first time I played it. That's all kinds of wrong. (also, time trial? seriously?)
I need XIII now more than ever.
The Take Out Bandit
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SAB CA said:
Praise Beth Gaga Shaggy!
Now let that terrible rumor die!
ASW + SNK, BELIEVE! </Spaceology Star Ordering System>
The Take Out Bandit
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Fersis said:
Fersis, normally I endorse your Fersis-ness; but this is what's important:
- God's Own Netcode
- 2D Sprite Based Love
You show me any other company out there now that maintains this legacy!
Alternatively, I'd love Wayforward to work with SNK in the capacity of a publisher, but I don't believe that's really in the cards or the way forward.
I agree... but i dont want ASW sprite (Vector based drawing) style in KOF.The Take Out Bandit said:Fersis, normally I endorse your Fersis-ness; but this is what's important:
- God's Own Netcode
- 2D Sprite Based Love
You show me any other company out there now that maintains this legacy!
Alternatively, I'd love Wayforward to work with SNK in the capacity of a publisher, but I don't believe that's really in the cards or the way forward.
(Im NOT talking about art styles)
I want 2D Pixel Art and nothing more >8(
The Take Out Bandit
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Fersis said:
ASW is working with Examu and Arcana Heart 3 is fine. Fine, except for the part where it's awash in loli and moé. :|
bernardobri
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So nothing from SNK/Capcom at the CES? I knew it :lol
Im a bitter old man Bandit... im old school. Too old to embrace polygons and Vector drawings. :lolThe Take Out Bandit said:
Pixels 4 Lyfe.
We only know its in development and that it will be released this year (Q1 i think)zlatko said:
The Take Out Bandit
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Fersis said:
You're preaching to the choir Fersis, and BB is a great looking game compared to the competition. My only complaint is in typical ASW fashion certain characters animate better than others, but that's been the case since GG series.
And I'll troll you on a technicality since the foundation for KoF sprites are rough polygon models that get painted up to look like pixels. Don't forget the ingredients used to prepare the dish. ASW used a similar approach creating BB. It's basically rotoscoping in modern terms.
The Take Out Bandit said:
The models are used as a reference for each frame and nothing more. I'd say the end result is more important than the techniques used to achieve them.
Pixel art is an insanely time consuming process and doubling the resolution effectively quadruples the work involved. You gotta take a few shortcuts.
The Take Out Bandit
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luka said:The models are used as a reference for each frame and nothing more. I'd say the end result is more important than the techniques used to achieve them.
Right. Rotoscoping, which I'm sorry if I assumed was a common term. Feature animators have used it for years.
You are preaching to the choir.
I don't care how developers get there, as long as they reach the destination. And it doesn't end up looking SF4/MvC3 terribad.
Prime crotch
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Personally, I hate rotoscoping, it's useful in certain situations, but overall the amazing animation of the likes Vampire Saviour wouldn't be possible with it.
Im aware.The Take Out Bandit said:You're preaching to the choir Fersis, and BB is a great looking game compared to the competition. My only complaint is in typical ASW fashion certain characters animate better than others, but that's been the case since GG series.
And I'll troll you on a technicality since the foundation for KoF sprites are rough polygon models that get painted up to look like pixels. Don't forget the ingredients used to prepare the dish. ASW used a similar approach creating BB. It's basically rotoscoping in modern terms.
But all the details are made by hand. Not only but some of the character shades too.
And KOF uses lots of shading not just the classic : Shadow Color,Base Color, Bright Color.
KOFXIII has the most detailed sprites since SFIII and Garou.
The animation is not as smooth as those titles though.
Prime crotch said:
Well, it's a great technique if you're going for a particular style. I don't think KOF would look particularly good with the comically exaggerated proportions of Vampire. It would also take an astronomical amount of work to achieve in anything higher than 384 x 224.
For shit's and giggles, here's a great article on why Vampire is so awesome.
Darkstalkers and SFIII have godlike animations.luka said:Well, it's a great technique if you're going for a particular style. I don't think KOF would look particularly good with the comically exaggerated proportions of Vampire. It would also take an astronomical amount of work to achieve in anything higher than 384 x 224.
For shit's and giggles, here's a great article on why Vampire is so awesome.
Capcom had some of the best animators/artists in the business... i wonder where they are now.
The Take Out Bandit
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For that matter an excess of animation and some odd characters are part of the reason SF2 fanboys were so butthurt by the glory of SF3. Darkstalkers level animation is nice, I don't think it fits into Street Fighter quite as seemlessly. Not the design of characters like Twelve and Necro, but the deformation and extreme range of animation technique. SF characters didn't deform that much in SF2 series, and from what I recall the Alpha series as well.
More so the techniques discussed in the link, which seems to be making the nerd rounds as my buddy texted it to me this morning, not the actual frames of animation.
Like any tool, it has a purpose and I wouldn't use a hammer to set a screw.
KoF12 looked great. KoF13 looks great. Shantae Risky's Revenge looks great. BlazBlue looks great. There are great 2D games being made, but gamers need to support the developers or it's going to go away for good.
More so the techniques discussed in the link, which seems to be making the nerd rounds as my buddy texted it to me this morning, not the actual frames of animation.
Like any tool, it has a purpose and I wouldn't use a hammer to set a screw.
KoF12 looked great. KoF13 looks great. Shantae Risky's Revenge looks great. BlazBlue looks great. There are great 2D games being made, but gamers need to support the developers or it's going to go away for good.
The Take Out Bandit said:For that matter an excess of animation and some odd characters are part of the reason SF2 fanboys were so butthurt by the glory of SF3. Darkstalkers level animation is nice, I don't think it fits into Street Fighter quite as seemlessly. Not the design of characters like Twelve and Necro, but the deformation and extreme range of animation technique. SF characters didn't deform that much in SF2 series, and from what I recall the Alpha series as well.
More so the techniques discussed in the link, which seems to be making the nerd rounds as my buddy texted it to me this morning, not the actual frames of animation.
Like any tool, it has a purpose and I wouldn't use a hammer to set a screw.
KoF12 looked great. KoF13 looks great. Shantae Risky's Revenge looks great. BlazBlue looks great. There are great 2D games being made, but gamers need to support the developers or it's going to go away for good.
Agreed, Darkstalkers animation is beyond awesome ... but it doesnt fit KOF.
And yeah : Moar 2D games plz!
The Take Out Bandit
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Fersis said:
I wonder.
I seem to recall back in the day there being a lot of talent moving between Capcom, SNK, and others I can't think of at the moment. Some of the staff split off and formed Arika. I believe some of that staff split and formed Dimps. Some of the SNK staff left and formed ASW.
Some of the character designers got into anime, but hearing how miserable the Japanese animation industry is as a profession for animators; I can't see moving into anime for them being a step up. Unless the work conditions for game animators is worse than commercial animation.
And if you'd like any assistance in visuals for your secret project you have my Axe!