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The Last Guardian is the most frustrating game I've played this Gen

Jawmuncher

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Trico refuses to listen me. Numerous times the game comes to a screeching halt because Trico wants to do whatever he wants. I get it, he's an animal and all that. But being able to enjoy the game shouldn't be given up for that. I can't get invested in these characters, the relationship, or story. When all I'm doing is fighting with this creature to progress.

Maybe I'm missing something. If anyone has any tips I'd appreciate it. I'd like to see the end of the game rather than give up on it, but I've been very close to throwing in the towel numerous times already.

When the game is flowing correctly I really enjoy it. But the halts are driving me up the wall.
 
- Only issue commands once or twice. Don't spam commands. Make sure to get Trico's attention first, or that he is looking at you
- Make sure you're using the right commands (move, sit, jump, interact, etc.)
- If it takes more than a minute or two for Trico to listen, it's probably a bug or you're issuing the wrong command.

I'm on my second playthrough and I've honestly only had an issue once. Every other part of the game, Trico was responsive and quick to react and obey commands
 

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I don't know if Trico's already taking commands from you, but holding R1 and pointing with the analog stick, or jumping with triangle always got him to do what I needed with minimal frustration.
 

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Can't say I encountered anything overwhelming frustrating during my playthrough.

Felt like a good balance of obeying and having a mind of his own. Sometimes he needed some guidance and at other times he would do a bunch of stuff by himself without any input from me.
 

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- Only issue commands once or twice. Don't spam commands. Make sure to get Trico's attention first, or that he is looking at you
- Make sure you're using the right commands (move, sit, jump, interact, etc.)
- If it takes more than a minute or two for Trico to listen, it's probably a bug or you're issuing the wrong command.

I'm on my second playthrough and I've honestly only had an issue once. Every other part of the game, Trico was responsive and quick to react and obey commands

Yeah this happened to me too.
 

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Never had an issue with Trico. And sometimes he figure out stuff before I did.

The only advice I can give you is to not spam commands. I generally only gave him a couple of commands spaced out to get him to do what I wanted.
 

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- Only issue commands once or twice. Don't spam commands. Make sure to get Trico's attention first, or that he is looking at you
- Make sure you're using the right commands (move, sit, jump, interact, etc.)
- If it takes more than a minute or two for Trico to listen, it's probably a bug or you're issuing the wrong command.

I'm on my second playthrough and I've honestly only had an issue once. Every other part of the game, Trico was responsive and quick to react and obey commands

Pretty much-
We can go ahead and Close thread now.
 

balohna

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Yeah he will generally listen, but you need to find the "right" thing and treat him like an actual animal. Pay attention to his body language and be patient. You may run into situations where he does the wrong thing or you know generally what he should do and he doesn't get it, but to me it really hasn't been bad. Really understand that you aren't controlling him, you're just showing/telling him what you would like him to do.

The worst for me is when you think you found the right thing to do, but Trico won't do it. Always turns out I was wrong. Ideally the environments would be less ambiguous in this regard, but it's something I can live with.

Press Triangle to jump. The industry standard is X. That annoys the shit out of me.

This is fine to me. My only issue with the controls had been wrapping my head around climbing relative to the camera. Especially when holding the joystick "away" to jump off things. The camera in general is kind of weird to me, because I normally invert Y but the way the camera moves in this game makes my brain want to NOT invert Y... Most of the time. Slightly confusing in situations where I naturally decide down should be up again.
 

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Don't spam commands and point the camera toward whatever you want him to do.

Want him to jump up on something? Look at that something and press R1 + Triangle.

Want him to walk somewhere? Look that way and press R1 + that direction on the analog stick.

That's it. Just give him one command and let him do his thing. He pretty much listens all the time. I've played through twice and never had a single problem.
 

HStallion

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Just want to point out there are some weird AI bugs that seem to occur where Trico gets stuck. If you know the solution to a puzzle and you're waiting for your commands to be followed and nothing happens for more than five minutes restart the game/system and that should fix it. That said remember to be patient and don't spam commands. Pushing too many commands at once will only confuse Trico and it will even tell you so with some frustrated sounds. Even when its following your commands it can take twenty to thirty seconds for it re position itself, adjust its body and will even call out before it takes action.
 

bosseye

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Don't spam commands, occasionally you need a bit of patience. The only time I've had an issue is when I've been asking him to do something that isn't actually doable. In one room I got convinced the solution was to reach what looked like a high ledge, so I kept trying to get Trico to jump to it and he wouldn't (because it wasn't actually reachable) and he kept doing other stuff and I was like "Jump you fucking chump".

So that was my fault and I felt the chump when I realised and got the correct way forward.

Genuinely, Trico is a mind blowing achievement. An astonishing symphony of animation, AI and visuals. Love the game.
 

HStallion

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Press Triangle to jump. The industry standard is X. That annoys the shit out of me.

This game and its creator care little for industry standards if that wasn't already readily apparent. Its one of the reasons I enjoy it and the controls are designed in a fairly intuitive manner once you realize all the commands for the boy match up with Trico.
 
Press Triangle to jump. The industry standard is X. That annoys the shit out of me.
I actually found it very intuitive after the initial moment of confusion.

Triangle actually makes a lot of sense.
It's the up/top button on the controller, so it controls actions and commands related to going up, and it's literally an arrow pointing up.
X is the low/bottom button on the controller, so it controls actions related to going low like crouching and dropping down
 

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I treated Toriko like an animal during my playthrough and I had no problems. I don't know if it changes something or not ( it probably doesn't ) but everytime he did something good in the beginning, I cuddled him like I would with a dog - "Good boy Toriko"

I role played the animal trainer during the game, and I'm glad nobody was watching me play because I talked to my TV a fair amount of times. I'm pretty patient so I guess it didn't bother me that he did not react instantly to a command. I was pretty surprised when he did most of the work for some puzzles by indicating the right way to go very quickly. It made some rooms and puzzle really easy to solve.
 

HStallion

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I treated Toriko like an animal during my playthrough and I had no problems. I don't know if it changes something or not ( it probably doesn't ) but everytime he did something good in the beginning, I cuddled him like I would with a dog - "Good boy Toriko"

I role played the animal trainer during the game, and I'm glad nobody was watching me play because I talked to my TV a fair amount of times. I'm pretty patient so I guess it didn't bother me that he did not react instantly to a command. I was pretty surprised when he did most of the work for some puzzles by indicating the right way to go very quickly. It made some rooms and puzzle really easy to solve.

The game does drop a hint to pet Trico and to pet it in different places to get a different reaction but I'm not sure how much this translates to it listening to you.
 

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It's like you'd train your pet. Issue clear commands and see if it follows, don't spam it. You can reinforce a command when he looks where you want him to go.
 

BadWolf

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Press Triangle to jump. The industry standard is X. That annoys the shit out of me.

It's not the 'standard' sure but it's intuitive in the sense that X (the lowest button) makes the boy crouch and triangle (the highest button) makes him jump.
 

SmiteOfHand

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Just want to point out there are some weird AI bugs that seem to occur where Trico gets stuck. If you know the solution to a puzzle and you're waiting for your commands to be followed and nothing happens for more than five minutes restart the game/system and that should fix it.

Just to add to this, I've noticed this is most common (and by common I mean happened twice in my runs) when you are standing on Trico.

Getting on the ground and telling it to come (hitting just R1 with no direction) to the spot you want it has fixed it, for my anyway. I've just taken it as a bug/feature that Trico isn't your goddamn horse, get off once in a while.
 

bosseye

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Press Triangle to jump. The industry standard is X. That annoys the shit out of me.

Initially I was pressing X all the time from habit and continually falling off ledges, but actually it make sense; X (bottom button) for low actions, Triangle (top button) for high actions.

Camera has been my biggest irritation, but even that you get used to.

Edit; beaten by a mile!
 

balohna

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The game does drop a hint to pet Trico and to pet it in different places to get a different reaction but I'm not sure how much this translates to it listening to you.
Yeah I pet him periodically or when he does something good, and feed him as much as possible (early in the game this is a lot, late in the game feels like you get juuuust enough food to give him). I'm really fond of him actually (for a virtual character), so I treat him like I'd treat a pet. No idea if being nice to him makes him more responsive, but it also ties into patience which is hugely important.
 

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As others have said, don't spam commands. Issue one and wait 30 seconds to see how Trico reacts.

Pointing the camera where you want to go while issuing it seems to help

Read the digital manual, there are some commands in there that aren't explained in the game very well

Eg. If you need Trico to climb almost straight up above you, hold r1 + press triangle to tell him to jump. This may also work if you want him to cross a gap.
 

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I'm saddened to see this complaint so often; to me, communicating with Trico has been a joyful experience, not frustrating. Trico gives a lot of feedback, and you learn to read when is the best moment to issue commands (example: when you're on his back, he stops and looks back at you), and usually gives an immediate signal if the command has "registered" (following my example: he would immediately look in front, and start to prepare his move).
 
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My girlfriend and I are playing together, and Trico basically acts exactly like our dog. The dog gets confused and pretty jealous when we talk to Trico and praise him while playing lol

The other night I had to try and play one handed so I could pet the dog and Trico at the same time, she wasn't having any of it.

Just pay attention to Trico's feedback, you can clearly tell when he is thinking about doing something and is just waiting for the right command and the right circumstances. Don't try and force it like you're trying to spam an RTS command.
 

HStallion

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Ok will see if these tips help.

Just remember Trico has a lot of body language and vocal cues. If you're doing something wrong, especially if you try to repeat it, Trico will give a frustrated response. You can watch Trico look around the environment and it will even clue you in on places you need to go or get to and items and objects you might need to interact with. I find Trico responds better if its near to you and the task you need it to complete. Make sure both Trico is paying attention and looking at whatever you need it to interact with and it also helps to focus the camera on the "goal" as well. Give a command and you can usually tell from the way Trico reacts whether its actually "heard" you.
 

Fisty

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I know this might sound crazy... but pet Trico more.

I swear he was always more responsive the more you pet him in my playtime.
 

Jito

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But I saw that video, that animal doesnt want to do what the player wnats him to do, I would probably brake a few controllers if that happened to me.

Not really, a lot of that video is set up for comedic effect.

But yeh, if you don't want to play a game about bonding and adventuring with a giant beast with its own AI then don't play this.
 

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Yes Trico is an animal and all that...but honestly most of the time I was tempted to curse Trico it's because I was on the wrong track. Trico has a pretty good idea of where to go, often, and if he/she is ignoring your commands there is a chance it's because you're trying to do something pointless.

Aside from that, I agree with others, patience is required. Spamming commands tends to slow things down.
 

bosseye

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Honestly, those moments when you have to wait for Trico to get the command and adjust into position is a good opportunity to admire the superlative animation and glorious feather physics.
 
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Trico's AI is a PITA to deal with.

It makes for no fun in a video game, but I guess it's an authentic pet owning experience?

It's fun if you allow yourself some patience and treat Trico like a new pet. It's very intuitive once you get past that initial roadblock moment when you can first start issuing commands.
 

HStallion

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Trico's AI is a PITA to deal with.

It makes for no fun in a video game, but I guess it's an authentic pet owning experience?

To be fair once you get the game down and it clicks with you its smooth as butter unless you are trying to solve a puzzle totally wrong. We've got people doing the speed running trophy that requires you to beat the game under 5 hours and for most people it takes 10 to 15 hours on the first play through. I do realize some people are having problems but the game isn't broken or anything, I think it just requires a very different play style and focus than most anything else out there.
 

balohna

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As others have said, don't spam commands. Issue one and wait 30 seconds to see how Trico reacts.

Pointing the camera where you want to go while issuing it seems to help

Read the digital manual, there are some commands in there that aren't explained in the game very well

Eg. If you need Trico to climb almost straight up above you, hold r1 + press triangle to tell him to jump. This may also work if you want him to cross a gap.

The first time you have to do this I didn't know and was stuck for like over an hour. The narration says he matches your actions, which for some reason didn't click for me as "hold R1 and jump and he will jump". I thought it was more like "try to jump near something tall and he'll jump up on it".

It's also like, not THAT high of a ledge and he actually just leans on the wall. So I was trying to get him to lean by telling him to go forward, or getting him to take me to other ledges I could potentially climb from. Bad tutorial moment IMO, but the only time I've been stuck due to controls being unclear.
 

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I really wish I liked it but I can't stand this game.

-That barrel puzzle at the beginning was super frustrating since Trico wasn't eating the barrel. I found out that there's a specific area where you have to put it.
-Controls are not very responsive and kind of laggy (And jump being on Triangle)
-Camera has a mind of its own and gets me motion sickness in 5 minutes
-Bad framerate to boot unless I set the Pro to force 1080p
 

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- Only issue commands once or twice. Don't spam commands. Make sure to get Trico's attention first, or that he is looking at you
- Make sure you're using the right commands (move, sit, jump, interact, etc.)
- If it takes more than a minute or two for Trico to listen, it's probably a bug or you're issuing the wrong command.

I'm on my second playthrough and I've honestly only had an issue once. Every other part of the game, Trico was responsive and quick to react and obey commands

It's a funny thing, I've heard people complain about this, but in my case, Trico had done entire platforming sections by himself without me giving him any order.