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The Last of Us (Naughty Dog): Hold One Second

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Chuck Norris said:
Mark Richard Davies @Ninjafr4me 4 hrs Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Hmm reading the hate about yourself on NeoGaf is a tad depressing. Oh well - the game is going to be awesome :D

You guys are asses :(
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Yeah, the personal attacks on here are pretty ridiculous. Sadly its a virus that affects the whole internet.

Got to say, I am very, very excited about this game. ND have been my favourite dev this gen.
 
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Luthos said:
Is that the Enslaved guy that's coming to work on LoU?

Because that sucks that stupidGAF is getting him down. I thought Enslaved was awesome, and the fact that he's working on this game actually got me more excited (along with ND making it, obviously)
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Games are always the sum of more than a single person, even leads.
 
Chuck Norris said:
Mark Richard Davies @Ninjafr4me 4 hrs Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Hmm reading the hate about yourself on NeoGaf is a tad depressing. Oh well - the game is going to be awesome :D

You guys are asses :(
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He'll be fine. People online love to jump the gun. Ninja Theory might be a mediocre development studio but that doesn't mean that they didn't/don't have a lot of talented people working there. If Naughty Dog decided to hire you then I'm pretty sure you have the required talent for the job.
 
I'm sorry but why are we hating on that Mark Richard Davies guy? If he's a Naughty God I demand you all to be ashamed of yourselves.

Edit : Oh a guy they hired from another studio. Well he's a Naughty God now.
 
Raitosaito said:
GAF hivemind has ruin many.
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fuck me @ GAF hivemind

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Chuck Norris said:
Mark Richard Davies @Ninjafr4me 4 hrs Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Hmm reading the hate about yourself on NeoGaf is a tad depressing. Oh well - the game is going to be awesome :D

You guys are asses :(
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goes with the job, he should expect that. People pay hard earned money to buy the products, it's not charity.

I'm a supervisor at my job, and sometimes people get upset with decisions I make. They lash out, behind my back or otherwise, and as an adult one has to understand that is the price of position. If you can't take the heat etc etc

That said, as everyone has already noted, he could have some talent, it's hard to say exactly what damage he did when he worked on Enslaved, so it's more technically a lashing out at just how awful Enslaved was in every way than a target on his back.
 
Amir0x said:
fuck me @ GAF hivemind

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goes with the job, he should expect that. People pay hard earned money to buy the products, it's not charity.

I'm a supervisor at my job, and sometimes people get upset with decisions I make. They lash out, behind my back or otherwise, and as an adult one has to understand that is the price of position. If you can't take the heat etc etc

That said, as everyone has already noted, he could have some talent, it's hard to say exactly what damage he did when he worked on Enslaved, so it's more technically a lashing out at just how awful Enslaved was in every way than a target on his back.
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Let's not exaggerate. You pay max 60$ in most cases way less. It's not like you are giving him or others your left kidney.
 
Amir0x said:
fuck me @ GAF hivemind

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goes with the job, he should expect that. People pay hard earned money to buy the products, it's not charity.

I'm a supervisor at my job, and sometimes people get upset with decisions I make. They lash out, behind my back or otherwise, and as an adult one has to understand that is the price of position. If you can't take the heat etc etc

That said, as everyone has already noted, he could have some talent, it's hard to say exactly what damage he did when he worked on Enslaved, so it's more technically a lashing out at just how awful Enslaved was in every way than a target on his back.
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Doesn't make it right.
 
SolidSnakex said:
So, we're going to be getting so more info soon? I was kind of worried after arne's first post in this thread.
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I presume we won't be seeing any gameplay before E3, at least that's what I would do in their place.
If that is true, man this and probably next SSM game (GOW4) and or next QD game getting shown. 3rd party probably Dead Space 3 since they like to push that on PS3. Can't freaking wait. :)
 
Amir0x said:
fuck me @ GAF hivemind

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goes with the job, he should expect that. People pay hard earned money to buy the products, it's not charity.

I'm a supervisor at my job, and sometimes people get upset with decisions I make. They lash out, behind my back or otherwise, and as an adult one has to understand that is the price of position. If you can't take the heat etc etc

That said, as everyone has already noted, he could have some talent, it's hard to say exactly what damage he did when he worked on Enslaved, so it's more technically a lashing out at just how awful Enslaved was in every way than a target on his back.
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No that's not it, it is more like you've moved on to a new position in a new company and people/customers/investors/whoever assume you are personally shit at your job because your previous company had below average performance as a whole. You expect to take the blame for that?
 
Globox_82 said:
I presume we won't be seeing any gameplay before E3, at least that's what I would do in their place.
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Whilst on one level i would love this as i thought Uncharted 3's gameplay was shown far too early and i ended up watching wayyyy too much footage and basically ruining the game for myself.

On the other hand, i want to see this game NOW :P
 
WolfForager said:
Whilst on one level i would love this as i thought Uncharted 3's gameplay was shown far too early and i ended up watching wayyyy too much footage and basically ruining the game for myself.

On the other hand, i want to see this game NOW :P
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I feel the same, but as you said I think it would be unwise to show too much too early.

I would also like to see it now, but.
 
Its hard to make a shitty game, imagine how hard it is to make a good game.
That design vision you have can get muddled down very fast because of corporate decisions, designers under you who try to sneak in features they think are amazing, producers who have different visions of the game etc etc.

Its a pretty fucked up thing to blame a medium quality game on the lead designer. You guys forget that he is not in charge and features and decisions get changed because the creative director or producer have diffident ideas. being lead designer does not mean you have final say on the gameplay of a game.

now the guy moved on to a better studio working on a new ip and he has to take blame? It should be expected that he will do a horrible job on it? WTF! seriously.

There are times I get disgusted by gaf. this is one of those times.
 
Replicant said:
The more I see the monster, the less zombie-like they are. They actually move and sound more like Raptors.
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Yeah good observation man.

Plus people forget that you will be fighting other regular folks fighting for the survival.

Can't wait to see their hiding place. They must be having one ala "I am Legend". :)
 
Luthos said:
Is that the Enslaved guy that's coming to work on LoU?

Because that sucks that stupidGAF is getting him down. I thought Enslaved was awesome, and the fact that he's working on this game actually got me more excited (along with ND making it, obviously)
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It doesn't make any sense.
Mark Richard Davies was a former Lead Designer of Ninja Theory (Enslaved).
Now he is "a" Designer at Naughty Dog.
Naughty Dog (THE LAST OF US team) has its own Lead Designer.

The whole "Enslaved" and "Ninja Theory" stuff isn't even worth mentioning here.
 
Hyuga said:
It doesn't make any sense.
Mark Richard Davies was a former Lead Designer of Ninja Theory (Enslaved).
Now he is "a" Designer at Naughty Dog.
Naughty Dog (THE LAST OF US team) has its own Lead Designer.

The whole "Enslaved" and "Ninja Theory" stuff isn't even worth mentioning here.
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Well trolls need food man, IT IS SO IMPORTANT! /s
 
If anything, its a reflection of the standards that somebody who was relatively high in the management structure of Ninja Theory had to take the equivelant of a demotion (lead designer > regular designer) to work at Naughty Dog
 
Hyuga said:
It doesn't make any sense.
Mark Richard Davies was a former Lead Designer of Ninja Theory (Enslaved).
Now he is "a" Designer at Naughty Dog.
Naughty Dog (THE LAST OF US team) has its own Lead Designer.

The whole "Enslaved" and "Ninja Theory" stuff isn't even worth mentioning here.
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basically this. lots of neo-gaffers feel like becuase the post on neogaf, their opinions are super-important so they become excessively critical to the point of absurdity. putting aside that that a decent percentage of peopel bashing enslaved have even played it, most people are just throwing these claims so that be basically show off their virtual peacock feathers and show how they're able to make such strong statements almost immediateness because they're sooo super critical and knowledgeable about videogames.
 
Amir0x said:
fuck me @ GAF hivemind

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The intense disappointment and hatred that gets spewed at everything here is extremely grating at times.

It doesn't matter if it is the majority or the vocal minority because it is absolutely everywhere on GAF.
 
Great trailer and great premise. I trust ND will make another fantastic game out of this. It's hard not to be excited about it.

I still don't get why they had to put that "captured directly from a PS3" banner. That's totally misleading. No console this generation can render that in real time. That level of lighting, shadowing and postprocessing just can't be achieved on current hardware. It's just a prerendered in-engine video, nothing else. The fact that it's taken from a PS3 is completely irrelevant. Having said that, it bodes very well for Naughty Dog that they have such a future-proof engine. I don't even expect next gen hardware to render this in real time, but I'm sure that with their technical expertise they will get really close.
 
Globox_82 said:
Let's not exaggerate. You pay max 60$ in most cases way less. It's not like you are giving him or others your left kidney.
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60$ per game is very expensive if one wants to buy several games. And here in Denmark, it´s 100$ a game, so spare your condescending remarks. Don´t dismiss the high price of games like that.
 
EVIL said:
Its hard to make a shitty game, imagine how hard it is to make a good game.
That design vision you have can get muddled down very fast because of corporate decisions, designers under you who try to sneak in features they think are amazing, producers who have different visions of the game etc etc.

Its a pretty fucked up thing to blame a medium quality game on the lead designer. You guys forget that he is not in charge and features and decisions get changed because the creative director or producer have diffident ideas. being lead designer does not mean you have final say on the gameplay of a game.

now the guy moved on to a better studio working on a new ip and he has to take blame? It should be expected that he will do a horrible job on it? WTF! seriously.

There are times I get disgusted by gaf. this is one of those times.
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What?

that's life dude. I'm tired of people making excuses for everything. He took part on the project, his name is on it, if he was working on it from beginning to end then yes, he does have to take blame. If the project wasn't going his way he could've always quit, yes its a tough call specially with the current market, but such are the stakes if you want to keep a pristine record/feel good about yourself.

As harsh as Amir0x might sound, he is right about this.
 
Even good actors play in bad movies. And some are even forced to do bad acting because the director doesn't give the O-K until the acting is overdramatic.

I'd rather judge him for the good moments, probably result of a more competent environment surrounding him.

Tagging him as the Enslaved guy is a reduction to absurd in order to make him look somewhat incompetent due to a product that was lacking specially in areas that even leading you cannot overhaul. Such are technical engine aspects and stuff like the combat system, which seems to be a trademark of the company.
 
Irish said:
The intense disappointment and hatred that gets spewed at everything here is extremely grating at times.

It doesn't matter if it is the majority or the vocal minority because it is absolutely everywhere on GAF.
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True that. I have to take constant breaks from all the negativity at the things i like or else I am afraid i would get a brain aneurysm.

I think I should just start making use of the ignore function at times.


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I can't wait for some more information. I just realised we have absolutely no idea what gameplay could be like. I just hope it's more survival, less shooting.

Gotta go to sleep now, hopefully it'll be up by tommorow.
 
Worried about the Enslaved connection. Nothing in that game made it apparent that there even was a lead designer, let alone that they should be allowed to move up into a position at ND.
 
Well since the devs are reading this thread, another one for the "I liked Enslaved" category.

So did most of the reviews, which I think is a much better judge of overall quality than the random and bizarre GAF hivemind opinions that get invented and perpetuated some time after a game comes out (see also: Mass Effect 2, GTA 4, etc.).

This often goes to the point where people who like the game feel obligated to post things like "I understand the criticisms, but for some inexplicable reason, I liked the game anyway!" in order to be in line with GAF opinion. No, you liked the game because it was a good game. Truly absurd.
 
Rolf NB said:
Worried about the Enslaved connection. Nothing in that game made it apparent that there even was a lead designer, let alone that they should be allowed to move up into a position at ND.
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I don't think you should have many reasons to be worried at all. Enslaved is not as terrible as people make it to be. The worst things about it have to do with combat and platforming mechanics, technical aspects ND excels at.
 
Rolf NB said:
Worried about the Enslaved connection. Nothing in that game made it apparent that there even was a lead designer, let alone that they should be allowed to move up into a position at ND.
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I'll just post this again

http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/damnation

The lead designer of that went on to design the train level in Uncharted 2.

It's not like the guy was the director of Enslaved. That was Tameem. He's was also the creative director on Heavenly Sword and he currently has the same role with DMC.
 
If there is no multiplayer then i hope it will have multiple playable character just like Resident Evil 2, which for me is the greatest survival horror game ever. The girl and the man as separate story and they will have different path but they will cross each other sometimes just like RE2. I miss that style of gameplay that past RE has.

I also hope this game will have that scary, difficulty, and desperation feel of Siren. Remember, Siren of Ps2? This game is the scariest game ever for me, I hope they copy some of the elements of Siren and sense of desperation and also the importance of stealth.
 
Rolf NB said:
Worried about the Enslaved connection. Nothing in that game made it apparent that there even was a lead designer, let alone that they should be allowed to move up into a position at ND.
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Buuuuuuu!

Enslaved is good! great atmosphere, and the pacing was correct. It managed to tell a story which few games do.

I'm EXCITE, Enslaved was a love letter as much as a rip-off of Uncharted, i understand how the connection between the guy and ND was made.

yogaflame said:
If there is no multiplayer then i hope it will have multiple playable character just like Resident Evil 2, which for me is the greatest survival horror game ever. The girl and the man as separate story and they will have different path but they will cross each other sometimes just like RE2. I miss that style of gameplay that past RE has.

I also hope this game will have that scary, difficulty, and desperation feel of Siren. Remember, Siren of Ps2? This game is the scariest game ever for me, I hope they copy some of the elements of Siren and sense of desperation and also the importance of stealth.
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Don't hope for it. The Enslaved connexion is strong and the story will heavily rely on the cooperation betwwen the two characters shown. Except if ND goes crazy and offers a game+ with Drake as protagonist and includes his voice and reajusts scenes to his athletic abilities (dreamer...)
 
Chuck Norris said:
Mark Richard Davies @Ninjafr4me 4 hrs Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Hmm reading the hate about yourself on NeoGaf is a tad depressing. Oh well - the game is going to be awesome :D

You guys are asses :(
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Embarrassing for those who took part imo. Makes the rest of us look bad or worse lol.

Hyuga said:
It doesn't make any sense.
Mark Richard Davies was a former Lead Designer of Ninja Theory (Enslaved).
Now he is "a" Designer at Naughty Dog.
Naughty Dog (THE LAST OF US team) has its own Lead Designer.

The whole "Enslaved" and "Ninja Theory" stuff isn't even worth mentioning here.
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Well now that just makes it worse. Smh.


Amir0x said:
That said, as everyone has already noted, he could have some talent
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And the hits keep rolling...

Some people are just born with a passion to piss on others it seems. Yes, people do lash out at workers and bitch about them behind their backs etc, but none of those things are right. None of those things are commendable attributes. Not right when it happens to you nor when it happens to others. Pisses me off when customers have a problem with something and rage at some worker who is but a single part of a much bigger machine.

What we have here is one guy singled out for insults, unfair criticisms or hate simply because you didn't enjoy a game he worked on, along with 50+ other people. A game that was largely critically accepted as 'good', and by a large portion of the public too (if GAF is anything to go by). Not saying that criticism's and negativity aren't fair game, they most certainly are. But there's a line when it comes to actual human beings, dependant on the context of course. It's a free country, you're free to do or say as you please, you don't have to have even bought the product to for that, however, exercising that right in order to maim others does not mean others cannot in response criticise your own opinion and ultimately, does not make your actions right. In-fact, I'd say as Mark Davis put it, it just makes you an ass.

Also find it fitting that a lead designer working on Damnation (a very poorly received game critically speaking) went on to make one of the best levels in U2 (the train level). Sort of highlights the idiocy of some of the singled out hate.


Anyway, can't wait to hear more about the game.
 
quaere said:
Well since the devs are reading this thread, another one for the "I liked Enslaved" category.
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So did I but the combat was shallow as a puddle unfortunately.

Trailer looks great. Though the music at the end sounds awfully like something from Left 4 Dead 2.
 
So I'll just put down that everyone is making negative wild assumptions about the game and stating them as complete fact when we know almost absolutely nothing.
 
Amir0x said:
I'm a supervisor at my job, and sometimes people get upset with decisions I make. They lash out, behind my back or otherwise, and as an adult one has to understand that is the price of position. If you can't take the heat etc etc
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Who'd have thunk it.
 
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