Pretty sure you can move, but you can't scavenge or craft. Because resources are scarce, you will easily die if you don't use those things.
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The Last Of Us - Off screen footage from PAX East
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Also stealth is really important. If you don't finish off an enemy right away you will attract all others in that area. What I kept seeing a lot of was people too focused on using listen mode though to track the movements of one enemy, only to have another come up and kill them from behind.
WE'RE NOT SURVIVAL HORROR! *kills self*
Seriously we aren't, and if you treat this game as an action game or a survival horror game, rather than let the game teach you the "new" mechanics of this "new" genre, it game will be more difficult in an unsatisfying way. The game will teach you to think about combat differently, hard to do in a 30min+ demo, but that's a lot of what you see with the repeated deaths. The moment I tell someone - dont fall back to genre conventions for gameplay mechnaics, people start being far more successful in combat for this demo.
Listen mode is mapped to a button. Don't use it if you hate it, but it's not a massive advantage. You can't see things from across the map, only if they are making some sound, slows you down, etc. It will be a give and take. But if you hate it, and you want to be all hardcore, don't hit the button. You do have some self control right?
. What this guy said! If you rely on that button you are going to die. It does not give you a huge advantage and can even be a disadvantage.WE'RE NOT SURVIVAL HORROR! *kills self*
Seriously we aren't, and if you treat this game as an action game or a survival horror game, rather than let the game teach you the "new" mechanics of this "new" genre, it game will be more difficult in an unsatisfying way. The game will teach you to think about combat differently, hard to do in a 30min+ demo, but that's a lot of what you see with the repeated deaths. The moment I tell someone - dont fall back to genre conventions for gameplay mechnaics, people start being far more successful in combat for this demo.
Listen mode is mapped to a button. Don't use it if you hate it, but it's not a massive advantage. You can't see things from across the map, only if they are making some sound, slows you down, etc. It will be a give and take. But if you hate it, and you want to be all hardcore, don't hit the button. You do have some self control right?
I think we can only get a sense of how well or ill fitting the listen mode is once we try it for ourselves.
Thanks for Pojo King for the info.
Pertaining to crafting, it sounds like that items are crafted in real time only (which would be nerve wrecking during hostile situation). Can you kindly confirm this?
@Arne: Kindly inform us if you plan to do anything about the Opacity?
I want to play this game w/o suffering image retention.
Thanks for Pojo King for the info.
Pertaining to crafting, it sounds like that items are crafted in real time only (which would be nerve wrecking during hostile situation). Can you kindly confirm this?
@Arne: Kindly inform us if you plan to do anything about the Opacity?
I want to play this game w/o suffering image retention.
Miles Quaritch
Member
You can still move, albeit slowly.
I think a balance might be struck so long as the game isn't designed around listen mode. If level design/enemy encounters aren't dependent on it, then it's not a major issue. If it's like Absolution, etc where level design, etc is built around the mechanic and not using it result in s a frustrating and ultimately annoying experience, then the game will suffer tremendously for it in my eyes.
XOMTOR
Member
Thanks for posting the videos OP/Solidsnake. I won't mention the listen mode (since it's been well covered) other than to say I won't use it. Played through the new Tomb Raider and never once tapped the LB button.
One thing that bugs me in most modern games is the constant on-screen button prompts. Walk up to table, green triangle appears prompting you to open a desk drawer. Something's inside, green triangle pops up prompting you to pick it up. Hopefully there's an option to turn it off. Can they be disabled in the Uncharted games? The last few Crystal TR's (not the most recent one) allowed them to be disabled. After 2 minutes, I know that triangle is used to interact with things.
I kinda wish it could be a bit like the older Resident Evils or Silent Hills where you see a desk, shelf or a trash can etc. you try interacting with it and if it won't open, nothing happens. If something is inside, you can choose to pick up the item. I don't see why a constant interact prompt needs to appear on screen. Makes scouring the environment too easy; you really don't need to search for anything and there's no real chance of missing anything; you just walk around and watch for the green triangle to pop up.
One thing that bugs me in most modern games is the constant on-screen button prompts. Walk up to table, green triangle appears prompting you to open a desk drawer. Something's inside, green triangle pops up prompting you to pick it up. Hopefully there's an option to turn it off. Can they be disabled in the Uncharted games? The last few Crystal TR's (not the most recent one) allowed them to be disabled. After 2 minutes, I know that triangle is used to interact with things.
I kinda wish it could be a bit like the older Resident Evils or Silent Hills where you see a desk, shelf or a trash can etc. you try interacting with it and if it won't open, nothing happens. If something is inside, you can choose to pick up the item. I don't see why a constant interact prompt needs to appear on screen. Makes scouring the environment too easy; you really don't need to search for anything and there's no real chance of missing anything; you just walk around and watch for the green triangle to pop up.
clickers don't. they're blind. runners do get alerted by your flashlight. that's the wrinkle to the gameplay - being in a dark area with a mix of infected types.
Hmm, this was the only PS3 game that still had me interested in buying it.
But the more I see of it, the less interesting it seems.
Looked so promising when it was first announced, but this doesn't do anything for me. So generic.
Very disappointed.
Looks like a lot of gamers are kind of bored of this generation. Don't know if the next will change anything unless developers shake things up a lot.
Killing_Joke
Member
Listen mode just seems like a little cheat sheet for the average gamer. Doesn't look forced at all. Judging by that one video at least. If there wasn't one hit kills then it would be absolutely unnecessary.
Detective vision was one of the core mechanics in the Batman games, and I've watched speed runs where they didn't use it once. Even when wallhacking made sense people still bitched! lol
Detective vision was one of the core mechanics in the Batman games, and I've watched speed runs where they didn't use it once. Even when wallhacking made sense people still bitched! lol
Selective? In terms of what? What do they more that other current gen games do not?
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Show me good geometry on any bullshots i've posted, because i dont see none.
So You dont know what You are talking about, but still thinking You're right?
BTW almost every game since 2010 is using procedural shaders, deferred lighting and HDR.
CE 3 on consoles uses more tech [that is completely dynamic] than any other game on consoles, it just runs poorly.
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I ask this again, what have really amazed You in this game graphically from technological point of view? What really stands out in comparison to any other good looking game released in past two years.
Hmm, this was the only PS3 game that still had me interested in buying it.
But the more I see of it, the less interesting it seems.
Looked so promising when it was first announced, but this doesn't do anything for me. So generic.
Very disappointed.
I assume you've already played the game fully to draw comparisons with myriad of other games released this generation in the same genre to call it "generic".... Oh wait...
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You think we add AF to our screenshots? We've already said a ton if times the only thing that can and often happens with our screens is that they're resized/downsampled. Nothing more. No special menu options, no 1fps mode, no photoshop.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
People seriously judging the visuals based on off screen demo footage?
It looks fucking amazing in person, believe me. Everything is nice and sharp and detailed, the lighting it superb and the animations are flawless compared to Uncharted 3.
It looks fucking amazing in person, believe me. Everything is nice and sharp and detailed, the lighting it superb and the animations are flawless compared to Uncharted 3.
Crafting is real time. in fact the only "pause" is if you to into the options menu. looking at the collectibles is still real time.
image retention?
The studio is reading this thread, so they can discuss your thoughts about a hardcore mode and HUD opacity. Do note, we did hire a dedicated UI/UX several months ago and work on that is still constantly happening and evolving.
Did you get a chance to play the demo? If so, any overall impressions?
Yeah this. And I heard someone mention sloppy shooting mechanics like Uncharted. What? Uncharted has made it easier for me to land head shots on enemies than ever before in a third person shooter. It was pretty fluid and simple aiming and shooting. Not sloppy at all. Maybe a bit strange in U3 bit they patched that.
The amount of stupid in this thread is mind-numbing though. Looking forward to enjoying this game and not seeing the haters in the online multiplayer at launch.
AranhaHunter
Banned
That's good news. It makes no sense to not have an option for HUD and cross hair removal. Killzone did it, why can't you?
Uno Venova
Banned
pre-order reinstated
Odd conclusion to come to. Did you forget there's an entire other type of enemy to show?
Good to know. Thanks.
They've already shown that heavily last year so they also wanted to show off the clickers.
Are you serious? Do people forget that these are only glimpses of what is going to be over a 10 hour campaign?
No I didn't but I thought the emphasis in the game was battling other humans. I'd like to see some actual players play through one of those sections to see how close it gets to the e3 demo or to see if that was all bullshit.
Ah, thank you.
Pertaining to image retention:
Given what I saw from the youtube clip, it looks like the HUD is ever present denoting equipped items and semi circular health bar (which transforms from bright green to yellow and presumably red by the end). Given the importance of remaining informed at all times, it befits the context of the game. I just wish the entire HUD to have a 3 tier opacity control option (if adding slider is difficult) akin to inFAMOUS 2 (Opaque, Translucent and Faint). That will allow plasma users, like myself, to play the game at appropriate brightness and contrast level without incurring image retention, albeit temporary.
EDIT: Just to add- It is quintessential that we can play the game with proper visibility given the prevalence of dark environments.
Oh look. Someone who actually played this thing. Thanks for the post! Gets me excited.
Downsampling filters textures, so You get free AF with this.
Fast example
Native: http://i1.minus.com/i5gu57Z3wXLK0.png
Downsampled from 3000x2400: http://i4.minus.com/iCG4di2aUk6Vw.png
how did you manage to triple post? item highlighting?
The only way to feel empathy for the characters is to know their story and context..................Otherwise you've just been watching random clips.
wa?
I only see one post both on here and in my post history, must be a glitch.
What I meant is the glow that appears when you get near stuff you can interact with like drawers or certain objects during "puzzle" sections.
At some point we had to show off the infected enemy types. it also coincided around the time we were asked to make a hands on demo. that's all - as someone else said, so much of the focus has been on human survivors. this was not a reveal of human survivors.
Naughty Dog said right from the start that they were keeping their cards close to their chest with this game. They have shown just one or two environments so far and just a sprinkle of gameplay here and there. They want to keep the entire thing fresh as possible. The game will take around 12 hours to complete, and all the gameplay we have seen combined doesn't even scratch the surface of that.
Unlike Uncharted games where a lot of the amazing setpieces are already shown in trailers and gameplay sequences way before launch. I think TLOU is utilizing a way, way better strategy.
fair enough, textures would benefit too. although given our past work, unless you're being extremely nitpicky, or a PC player ha, our IQ holds up except obv more jaggies.
the team here does some great LOD work.
pharmboy044
Member
Well lookie here, another person who actually played the game and has positive impressions.
SniperHunter
Banned
He thinks you guys faked the enemy AI, says it was all smoke and mirrors. I am also skeptical at this point, the enemy AI you guys showed at E3 was one of the most interesting I have seen since beat FEAR back in the day. Why suddenly hide it and focus on the brain dead clickers?
Sleeplessnights
Banned
Whenever the player gets caught by a group of humans his friends start attacking immediately. From these demos it doesn't seem there's a lot of intuition in terms of giving s player a chance to learn the environment and use it for their advantage. Is there a lot of trial and error in this game? I don't mind it but just curious.
I would assume that it has to do with showing off "other environments and other types of enemies" given we haven't seen a long demo featuring the infected.
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ND, if you are reading this (you are), please allow for opacity/ ability to remove completely HUD options. It effects immersion in a huge way.
Aren't they showing different parts of the game now? What do you mean by hide?
Enemy AI wasn't faked. our demo wasnt propped up unlike some... others.
So we're revealing a new enemy type (that we've planned for a long type) why is that "hiding" anything. This part of the game that we took the slice out for the demo is all about infected encounters anyway. There's no attempt to obfuscate something.
this. there hasn't been ANY demo featuring the infected. this is our "Infected First Look".
pharmboy044
Member
How are they hiding it? They're showing the infected now. We've seen plenty of human combat and people were craving for infected gameplay and that's what ND gave.