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Trailer The Last of Us Part 2 | Abby Story Trailer

DForce

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Well feigning ignorance is why we have the poor story in TLOU2. This is not how humans interpret stories and narratives.
Poor is your own personal opinion.

And yes, it's how humans interpret stories. Humans should be able to understand the difference between pure fiction and reality.
 
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I understand, but it still doesn't answer my question about Abby being a dude or not...

There's no inference that Abby is trans whatsoever. None. Nil. Zip. Absolute zero.

The game even shows how her physical bulk grows and shrinks based on her situation basically demonstrating that its just a manifestation of her obsessive need to avenge her father's murder. If they wanted to make a point of this Lev/Lily's situation would give ample opportunity to express solidarity and/or familiarity, but this doesn't happen.

She's just a gym rat who's preferred aesthetic is size. There's no gender/sexuality dimension to it at all.
 

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The conclusion its simple. You're either are unable to comprehend it or you just want to stay in denial. The end was already confirmed by Neil back in 2013 and that she knew Joel lied and she robbed that choice from her.
Ellie's not been told the conditions the Fireflies put her and Joel in so she can't make an as fair judgement of the situation as Joel can. Neil can statements about the ending months after the game's release but if it's not in the game it shouldn't be regarded in any conclusions drawn from the merits of the game, don't you think? :lollipop_grinning:
 
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Poor is your own personal opinion.

And yes, it's how humans interpret stories. Humans should be able to understand the difference between pure fiction and reality.

Okay, it was a great story, better than the first one!!

It is because of your required hamfisting, that the suspension of belief is destroyed.

Again, your method is not how people interpret stories. You telling people to ignore common sensibilities and relative experiences to fit your narrative is weak.
 

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Ellie's not been told the conditions the Fireflies put her and Joel in so she can't make an as fair judgement of the situation as Joel can. Neil can statements about the ending months after the game's release but if it's not in the game game it should be regarded in any conclusions drawn from the merits of the game, don't you think? :lollipop_grinning:
Joel made the decision to save Ellie, not because the cure wasn't guaranteed.


Neil can statements about the ending months after the game's release but if it's not in the game game

It is. He made it clear because people have hard time (example, such as you) failed to interpret the ending of the game.
 
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Okay, it was a great story, better than the first one!!

It is because of your required hamfisting, that the suspension of belief is destroyed.

Again, your method is not how people interpret stories. You telling people to ignore common sensibilities and relative experiences to fit your narrative is weak.

Scientist cannot create a super human serum.
Super Heroes keeping their identity a secret would be nearly impossible.
Ellie performing "surgery" on Joel would be nearly impossible for a young girl.
Protagonist in action films defeating an entire army of soldiers alone would be impossible.
Protagonist killing enemies without going to trial, being caught by the police would be nearly impossible.
 
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Scientist cannot create a super human serum.
Super Heroes keeping their identity a secret would be nearly impossible.
Ellie performing "surgery" on Joel would be nearly impossible for a young girl.
Protagonist in action films defeating an entire army of soldiers alone would be impossible.
Protagonist killing enemies without going to trial, being caught by the police would be nearly impossible.

Like I said... weak.
 

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So you think the vast majority of games and movies have a weak story. I'm sure you don't apply the same logic to all of them.

Honestly, your exercise in feigning ignorance does not make the story better. The power of the first game depended on the human belief of father/daughter, striving for survival, and believable human interactions.

Joel did what a father would do. There is no stopping a parent from saving their child, the world be damned.

The story set the table with real human interactions, so you have to stay the course.

There firefly doctor wanted to kill a kid.
There was no cure.
He needed to extract, replicate and create a cure.
The fire flies needed to synth and distribute.
There was and will never be a certainty of a cure, since that's how life works. You can pretend that, but it falls apart as it does not fit with common understood human existence.
Ellie does not get to decide to kill herself. She is a child.

Your narrative choice requires the removal of common life experience.

So, now we need to feign ignorance, hamfist a story, deny human interaction and pretend the realities around us do no relate to the human mythos. All in order to "prove" is was a "good" story in TLOU2. Weak.
 

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Honestly, your exercise in feigning ignorance does not make the story better. The power of the first game depended on the human belief of father/daughter, striving for survival, and believable human interactions.

Joel did what a father would do. There is no stopping a parent from saving their child, the world be damned.

The story set the table with real human interactions, so you have to stay the course.

There firefly doctor wanted to kill a kid.
There was no cure.
He needed to extract, replicate and create a cure.
The fire flies needed to synth and distribute.
There was and will never be a certainty of a cure, since that's how life works. You can pretend that, but it falls apart as it does not fit with common understood human existence.
Ellie does not get to decide to kill herself. She is a child.

Your narrative choice requires the removal of common life experience.

So, now we need to feign ignorance, hamfist a story, deny human interaction and pretend the realities around us do no relate to the human mythos. All in order to "prove" is was a "good" story in TLOU2. Weak.

Sure, lets stay the course then.


1. There would be no outbreak since it would be nearly impossible.
2. Joel wasn't her father.
3. Fireflies and Joel would both need to consult Ellie before making a decision.
4. Joel didn't need to kill Jerry or Marlene.
5. Getting revenge is part of human nature.
6. Ellie could decide because there are no laws that govern her decision.



There was and will never be a certainty of a cure, since that's how life works. You can pretend that, but it falls apart as it does not fit with common

You're trying to use the "real world" stuff to make your opinion right. It doesn't change the fact that it's a fictional story. They chose to write it that way and your opinion isn't going to change anything.

You can either take it or leave it.
 

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Joel made the decision to save Ellie, not because the cure wasn't guaranteed.
Yes and IMO the game has enough indications for it to make sense for Joel to go back for her but the writers seem to want to vilify him a little for doing so.
It is. He made it clear because people have hard time (example, such as you) failed to interpret the ending of the game.
No it's not, it's clear Ellie knows that Joel is lying to her about something, what conclusions she draws from it is up to the player to decide since the game ends right there. She can't know she was robbed of a choice since she doesn't know what happened at the hospital at that point so Druckman was talking about something that wasn't in part I.
 

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Yes and IMO the game has enough indications for it to make sense for Joel to go back for her but the writers seem to want to vilify him a little for doing so.

No it's not, it's clear Ellie knows that Joel is lying to her about something, what conclusions she draws from it is up to the player to decide since the game ends right there. She can't know she was robbed of a choice since she doesn't know what happened at the hospital at that point so Druckman was talking about something that wasn't in part I.

Nope. That wasn't up for the player to decide. The player was to decide if Joel should've saved humanity or Ellie. That's it.
 
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Joel did what a father would do. There is no stopping a parent from saving their child, the world be damned.

Abby and Ellie just do what wronged children would do. This is a story as old as time.


The story set the table with real human interactions, so you have to stay the course.

There firefly doctor wanted to kill a kid.
There was no cure.
He needed to extract, replicate and create a cure.
The fire flies needed to synth and distribute.
There was and will never be a certainty of a cure, since that's how life works. You can pretend that, but it falls apart as it does not fit with common understood human existence.

There was a chance. And desperate times demand desperate measures, sacrifices have to be made. Even painful ones like the one Marlene makes.

Ellie does not get to decide to kill herself. She is a child.

Neither party gave her a choice in the matter, but the real salt-in-the-wound is how Joel lied to her for years about what happened and in so doing betrayed her trust. You're also missing the very real likelihood that Ellie, had she been asked, would have willingly laid down her life. Not just because of her survivors guilt over Riley, but because its as noble an act imaginable in the broken world of the game.

It would have been a truly heroic deed, especially because the outcome would have been uncertain, and Joel stole that from her. This is why she says she should have died in the hospital. Her martyrdom would have given her life meaning.


So, now we need to feign ignorance, hamfist a story, deny human interaction and pretend the realities around us do no relate to the human mythos. All in order to "prove" is was a "good" story in TLOU2. Weak.

Your rebuttal please. Because I feel like my case is watertight.
 

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Sure, lets stay the course then.


1. There would be no outbreak since it would be nearly impossible.
2. Joel wasn't her father.
3. Fireflies and Joel would both need to consult Ellie before making a decision.
4. Joel didn't need to kill Jerry or Marlene.
5. Getting revenge is part of human nature.
6. Ellie could decide because there are no laws that govern her decision.





You're trying to use the "real world" stuff to make your opinion right. It doesn't change the fact that it's a fictional story. They chose to write it that way and your opinion isn't going to change anything.

You can either take it or leave it.

Good lord.

There would be no outbreak!! Although, yes we are TODAY actually living in a outbreak....

Joel wasn't her father!! This explains a lot. You do not have the emotional development to realize that Joel/Ellie relationship was a father/daughter one. Oh, you do get that? and you are now again feigning to suit some desired narrative.

Ellie, a child, does not get consulted. Joel gets to decide, she gets to be pissed (she would not, since that was also a hamfisted notion that a kid would suddenly want to kill themselves instead of having their lives saved. Again with writer and directors being devoid of family experience.) Joel acts like an adult and save a kid.

Joel killed Marlene so the bitch would not chase them down. That's a basic. The asshole doctor was trying to kill a kid.

Yes revenge is a part of nature.

Ellie can decide, but kids are stupid. She did not get to decide at all, since you know, she was being taken to be killed, and it there was need for a quick resolution to get out of there by Joel.

They did not write it YOUR way, you choose to believe a notion to fits your narrative. The story is what it is. You can feign all you want, Druckman isn't going to fuck you, other than how he fucked his fans for downgrading the franchise through TLOU2.
 
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Except they never explained that in the story. The game that has flashbacks for practically everything somehow missed that one.

Jesus m8 fill the fucking blanks in yourself use that imagination, we don't need handheld through every little fucking detail
 

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I actually did like Abby but come on we played fucking tons with her already.

Let me take a wild guess why they don't do Joel DLC for fuck's sake 🙄

Why would anyone wanna play as the main protagonist of the first game? It's not like Joel has any fans.
 
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Nope. That wasn't up for the player to decide. The player was to decide if Joel should've saved humanity or Ellie. That's it.
There is no choice really if you want to complete the game. Saving humanity is rather vague, it has been show that humans are capable of holding their own in a world with the cordyceps virus.
There was a chance. And desperate times demand desperate measures, sacrifices have to be made. Even painful ones like the one Marlene makes.
For that to work I feel there should've been some explanation why the surgery needed to happen the way it did but there isn't which makes the Fireflies look bad.

It would make it easier to paint Joel as (more) in the wrong if there was.
Neither party gave her a choice in the matter, but the real salt-in-the-wound is how Joel lied to her for years about what happened and in so doing betrayed her trust. You're also missing the very real likelihood that Ellie, had she been asked, would have willingly laid down her life. Not just because of her survivors guilt over Riley, but because its as noble an act imaginable in the broken world of the game.

It would have been a truly heroic deed, especially because the outcome would have been uncertain, and Joel stole that from her. This is why she says she should have died in the hospital. Her martyrdom would have given her life meaning.
You omit that the Fireflies didn't give Joel or Ellie a choice and escalated the situation. You feel that Ellie would've agreed with dying for the cure but do you feel that she would also be fine with dying without saying good bye to Joel or tying any other loose ends first? For me the near father-daughter bond they have at the end casts doubt that Ellie still would've gone along with dying. I can easily buy she's willing to die at the beginning of the game where she feels abandoned by everyone she cared for but not so much by the end after she made Joel see her as a daughter.

Assuming she was fine with dying regardless of what she went through with Joel, don't you feel that's a bad outlook for Ellie's character? That she's OK with leaving Joel so abruptly? That doesn't sound like the Ellie we see throughout the game.
 
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Good lord.

There would be no outbreak!! Although, yes we are TODAY actually living in a outbreak....

You're really trying hard to push a narrative isn't working. You're trying to compare covid to a fungal outbreak where it turns humans into zombies.

One is reality.
The other is make believe.

Joel wasn't her father!! This explains a lot. You do not have the emotional development to realize that Joel/Ellie relationship was a father/daughter one. Oh, you do get that? and you are now again feigning to suit some desired narrative.

Your attention to detail is poor. Joel being not her father means he has no authority to make the decision for her.

Ellie, a child, does not get consulted. Joel gets to decide, she gets to be pissed (show would not, since that was also a hamfisted notion that a kid would suddenly want to kill themselves instead of having their lives saved. Again with writer and directors being devoid of family experience.) Joel acts like an adult and save a kid.

No. Joel doesn't because he's not her father.

Joel killed Marlene so the bitch would not chase them down. That's a basic. The asshole doctor was trying to kill a kid.

Joel was worried about Marlene coming after Ellie, not him.

Yes revenge is a part of nature.

So that means it's understandable that Abby would want to kill Joel.

Ellie can decide, but kids are stupid. She did not get to decide at all, since you know, she was being taken to be killed, and it there was need for a quick resolution to get out of there by Joel.

She can.

There's no law that governs her decision. You have to be within certain age to drink, drive and smoke in the US, but this doesn't apply to the world of the Last of Us, unless you're under Fedra's law (which she wasn't). It would be reasonable to consult and adult, but again, its her decision that she could make on their own. There's no established law that says Joel has the right to make the decision for Ellie.

You can spin it anyway you want, but you're trying to put some BS arguments forth that isn't working. lol

They did not write it YOUR way, you choose to believe a notion to fits your narrative. The story is what it is. You can feign all you want, Druckman isn't going to fuck you, other than how he fucked his fans for downgrading the franchise through TLOU2.

Yes, they didn't write the story your way and that's why you're upset.
 

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There is no choice really if you want to complete the game. Saving humanity is rather vague, it has been show that humans are capable of holding their own in a world with the cordyceps virus.


Joel made his choice. It was up to us to decide if it was right or wrong. That's the entire point of the ending.

And saving humanity is not vague.

Cure or no cure.

That's it.
 

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Good lord.

There would be no outbreak!! Although, yes we are TODAY actually living in a outbreak....

Joel wasn't her father!! This explains a lot. You do not have the emotional development to realize that Joel/Ellie relationship was a father/daughter one. Oh, you do get that? and you are now again feigning to suit some desired narrative.

Ellie, a child, does not get consulted. Joel gets to decide, she gets to be pissed (she would not, since that was also a hamfisted notion that a kid would suddenly want to kill themselves instead of having their lives saved. Again with writer and directors being devoid of family experience.) Joel acts like an adult and save a kid.

Joel killed Marlene so the bitch would not chase them down. That's a basic. The asshole doctor was trying to kill a kid.

Yes revenge is a part of nature.

Ellie can decide, but kids are stupid. She did not get to decide at all, since you know, she was being taken to be killed, and it there was need for a quick resolution to get out of there by Joel.

They did not write it YOUR way, you choose to believe a notion to fits your narrative. The story is what it is. You can feign all you want, Druckman isn't going to fuck you, other than how he fucked his fans for downgrading the franchise through TLOU2.

Yes and IMO the game has enough indications for it to make sense for Joel to go back for her but the writers seem to want to vilify him a little for doing so.

No it's not, it's clear Ellie knows that Joel is lying to her about something, what conclusions she draws from it is up to the player to decide since the game ends right there. She can't know she was robbed of a choice since she doesn't know what happened at the hospital at that point so Druckman was talking about something that wasn't in part I.

Don't bother with DForce, they have been going at it for months. There is no reasoning possible with those MKUltra sheep.

No one was rooting for the fireflies at the end. We wanted Joel to save Ellie. They were evil, there was no lie and no choice. That's the story they wrote. There was no other interpretation possible until TLOU2 came out with those awful retcons. All the defenders are pathetic.
 
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You're really trying hard to push a narrative isn't working. You're trying to compare covid to a fungal outbreak where it turns humans into zombies.

One is reality.
The other is make believe.



Your attention to detail is poor. Joel being not her father means he has no authority to make the decision for her.



No. Joel doesn't because he's not her father.



Joel was worried about Marlene coming after Ellie, not him.



So that means it's understandable that Abby would want to kill Joel.



She can.

There's no law that governs her decision. You have to be within certain age to drink, drive and smoke in the US, but this doesn't apply to the world of the Last of Us, unless you're under Fedra's law (which she wasn't). It would be reasonable to consult and adult, but again, its her decision that she could make on their own. There's no established law that says Joel has the right to make the decision for Ellie.

You can spin it anyway you want, but you're trying to put some BS arguments forth that isn't working. lol



Yes, they didn't write the story your way and that's why you're upset.

Whatever, all I see from you is weak hand-wringing to try to make a narrative stick. It doesn't and it is weak. It is not consistent and it shows.

I question your life experience and interactions to just keep saying "he's not her father." If I cannot question your life experience, then I have to deduce you are being willfully ignorant. Just realize it convinces no one.

Sorry, but it is weak. TLOU2 is a weak story. Nothing you have said refutes what anyone is saying about TLOU1 or TLOU2. You are just demanding narrative rules that simply do not fit.
 
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Thought it was DLC, but it’s just the core game. Where’s the 60fps patch slappy dog?

But how incredible does this look. Nothing absolutely nothing in the gaming industry comes close.
 
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Abby was never compelling enough to have earned the right to bludgeon to death the beloved lead (one of them) from the first game. That's the main issue, which is then compounded by all the SJW stuff and pandering Druckman did in the pre-release interviews. Abby murdering Joel is a betrayal to the player after all they've gone through with him. It's not subversive, it's hamfisted and done purely for shock.
Disagree. But that’s ok.
 

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Abby was never as bad as gaf made out to be. Did people only not like her because she was a bit Manish.
c'mon she could bench press half the cunts on here and gamers dont like wimmen with bigger guns...
Guys you are posting on the wrong forum. Let me redirect you.

Abby is the best character Sony has, to be honest.

OK, I'm not interested in sonys first party exclusives, and even I can see through that bait bullshit.

Don't bother with DForce, they have been going at it for months. There is no reasoning possible with those MKUltra sheep.

I ended up blocking him. Trying to reason with him was fun at first, but ended up feeling sorry for him.
 
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Don't bother with DForce, they have been going at it for months. There is no reasoning possible with those MKUltra sheep.

No one was rooting for the fireflies at the end. We wanted Joel to save Ellie. They were evil, there was no lie and no choice. That's the story they wrote. There was no other interpretation possible until TLOU2 came out with those awful retcons. All the defenders are pathetic.

Yeah, I see that now.

I don't get all the twisting and contorting, when the story is right there in the open. The level of spastic gymnastics being observed is exhausting.
 
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Whatever, all I see from you is weak hand-wringing to try to make a narrative stick. It doesn't and it is weak. It is not consistent and it shows.

I question your life experience and interactions to just keep saying "he's not her father." If I cannot question your life experience, then I have to deduce you are being willfully ignorant. Just realize it convinces no one.

Sorry, but it is weak. TLOU2 is a weak story. Nothing you have said refutes what anyone is saying about TLOU1 or TLOU2. You are just demanding narrative rules that simply do not fit.

Getting upset over a video game storyline doesn't mean its bad, neither doesn't mean you're right.
 

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Sometimes a trailer comes along that you can sleep easier by skipping completely

Also, guess Last of Us 2 sales were dipping or they needed some dumb new video for PS5 media screen
 

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Don’t watch that video if you haven’t played the game! Geez, put some spoiler warnings in the video, Sony!
 

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Honestly, your exercise in feigning ignorance does not make the story better. The power of the first game depended on the human belief of father/daughter, striving for survival, and believable human interactions.

Joel did what a father would do. There is no stopping a parent from saving their child, the world be damned.

The story set the table with real human interactions, so you have to stay the course.

There firefly doctor wanted to kill a kid.
There was no cure.
He needed to extract, replicate and create a cure.
The fire flies needed to synth and distribute.
There was and will never be a certainty of a cure, since that's how life works. You can pretend that, but it falls apart as it does not fit with common understood human existence.
Ellie does not get to decide to kill herself. She is a child.

Your narrative choice requires the removal of common life experience.

So, now we need to feign ignorance, hamfist a story, deny human interaction and pretend the realities around us do no relate to the human mythos. All in order to "prove" is was a "good" story in TLOU2. Weak.

Ellie/Abby did what children would do, grieve their parents. Sadly, they're survivors in a violent world. So, of course, the grieving process will include violence.

Careful, because the 'feign ignorance' argument applies to you much better than the other way around.
 
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It’s a sequel to a game about fungus that can turn people into zombies focused on a literal human McGuffin. It’s very weird how the suspension of disbelief for those elements is somehow totally fine but buff girl Abby is just a bridge too far for some people.
Take The last Jedi for an example. We have a series about force users, lightsabers, and soldiers in bright white armor. The very definition of space fantasy.

Yet, we had a scene where Leia survived in outer space, forced her way back in the blown up ship, while the crew opened the door to get her back without being sucked into outer space again. People expect some logical consistency they can relate too. Take Holdo for example too. A commander in chief would never tell her 2nd in command to just shut up we have a plan and hide her plan for no fucking reason.

Wether that makes or breaks the story is up to you to decide, but don't hand wave every logical inconsistency, (even within the own rules of that universe) just because it's some type of fiction. Abby's buff arms didn't ruin the game for me at all, but there were other things that just kept adding on to it that reduced my enjoyment of the story. It does not help the game by trying to be sooo serious and dark too.
 

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A child does what a child does, grieve their parents.

Careful, because the 'feign ignorance' argument applies to you much better than the other way around.


You mean the parent that was trying to kill a kid? Sure man, that nullifies everything I have said.

Abby overhears her dad talking about killing Ellie. Marlene even asks him what he would do if she was his daughter (omg father/daughter dynamic)... and he makes a maybe face, and is about to say yes or no. The dude was the murder that Joel stopped.

Abby would have at least realized her father was willing to kill innocent kids for his ideas. The story could gone somewhere better than the cheap golfing scene.
 
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Ellie/Abby did what children would do, grieve their parents. Sadly, they're survivors in a violent world. So, of course, the grieving process will include violence.

Careful, because the 'feign ignorance' argument applies to you much better than the other way around.
It’s ironic because the game was a mirror to echo chambers and isolated points of view.
 
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You mean the parent that was trying to kill a kid? Sure man, that nullifies everything I have said.

Abby overhears her dad talking about killing Ellie. Marlene even asks him what he would do if she was his daughter (omg father/daughter dynamic)... and he makes a maybe face, and is about to say yes or no. The dude was the murder that Joel stopped.

Abby would have at realized her father was willing to kill innocent kids for his ideas. The story could gone somewhere better than the cheap golfing scene.

A dad is a dad is a dad is a dad is a dad is a dad....
 

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A dad is a dad is a dad is a dad is a dad is a dad....

Right, I get that. I understand Abby being upset... but... Marlene and Abby both knew it was wrong.

The dude even didn't not want to tell Joel, because he knew he was a shit for being willing to kill Ellie. Everyone got it, except for her father and a few people in the thread.

Flashback scene:

 

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For that to work I feel there should've been some explanation why the surgery needed to happen the way it did but there isn't which makes the Fireflies look bad.

The explanation is the mutated cordyceps is wrapped around her brain meaning there's no way to extract this benign, mutated version without killing Ellie. This being the first and only medical examination is why the decision to continue or not has to be made quickly. The Fireflies have been decimated at this point making it a last ditch attempt at creating a cure and thus rebuilding their bargaining power.

It doesn't make them look good, but then nothing the Fireflies do really makes them look good. The only question is whether they represent a greater or lesser evil than the authorities, who themselves are in equally dire straits at this point.

It would make it easier to paint Joel as (more) in the wrong if there was.

To Abby, the problem with Joel is that he murdered her father, not that he denied the world a cure. Its a personal vendetta.

To Ellie, the problem with Joel is that he betrayed her trust and made her live a lie for years. Its a personal grudge, and him being killed by Abby before they have properly reconciled their issue is what hits her the hardest. That Joel would have enemies from his past who'd like to do him harm is no surprise at all, its the timing of it that really hurts precisely because Joel's reasons for saving her were understandable, even if they were selfish.

Joel is still Joel. There's no revision to his character or outlook at all, he states repeatedly that he'd do it again. Even if he knew the cure would have been a success he would still have chosen the same path. In some respects he's like Rorschach in Watchmen, his past has rigidly bound him to follow his convictions beyond all reason or debate. Its a sort of broken heroism that is simultaneously admirable and tragic.

Stop looking for a moral lesson here. Its just human behavior in extremis; desperate people clinging onto their dreams and values in world that's long gone past the point of caring about any of that.

Assuming she was fine with dying regardless of what she went through with Joel, don't you feel that's a bad outlook for Ellie's character? That she's OK with leaving Joel so abruptly? That doesn't sound like the Ellie we see throughout the game.

But we know she's damaged emotionally. Orphaned, forced to watch her first love die before her eyes while she inexplicably survived. She's untrusting and defensive, but over the course of their long journey together to Salt Lake she opens up and bonds with Joel as the reliable parental figure she's always craved. She's forced to kill or be killed, brutally stabbing David to death before he rapes and murders her.

By the end of the story she's distant and obsessed with the journey, and her life to that point, actually meaning something. There's a brief moment of respite with the Giraffes but that's just one moment within an endless fight for survival.

So no. It exactly sounds like the Ellie we see at the end of the game. Confused, doubting, underwhelmed by the prospect of life in Jackson, and still tormented by an existential need for her immunity to mean something.