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The Last of Us Remastered Patched for Pro/HDR Support

Elios83

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I have the KS8000.

My settings in HDR:
Backlight: 20
Brightness: 45
Contrast: 100
Sharpness: 0
Color: 50
Tint: G50/R50
Digital Clean View: Off
Auto Motion Plus: Off
HDMI UHD Color: Make sure this is set to On for the HDMI input going to your PS4.
HDMI Black Level Setting: Low
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Color Tone: Warm2
White Balance: 2-point (only changes for me RGAIN -2, BGAIN 4 - this can vary per panel)
Gamma - 0
Color Space: Native

I set the PS4 RGB Range to full. The picture looked pretty a bit washed out on "Automatic" and didn't really have much of the brightness/contrast improvements I'd associate with HDR content. This is apparently known for the Samsung set (there's a thread running around here about it). .Setting the RGB Range to full really brought the beauty of the game out for me.

I had to set the RGB range the same for Deus Ex to display properly on the PS4. Without making that change, Deus Ex looked /terrible/ with a super washed out picture and some strange artifacting around light sources. In that game I had to change the HDMI Black level to Normal which is supposed to match the full range settings on the PS4. In this game, setting to normal washes the picture out. Not quite sure I understand why that's happening here? Either way, Sony needs to look at what the hell is up with the RGB setting and how it plays with certain TV's.

With the settings above though and the changes to the PS4's RGB, I found the improvements to be quite nice. It's not the best HDR implementation I've seen but its a pretty substantial difference over the game in SDR, IMO.
The fact that you're using full RGB on the PS4 and then low HDMI black level means that something is off. You're artificially keeping mismatched color spaces to compensate for other settings that maybe simply do not look good to you.
So no reason to simply ''copy'' what rtings or other websites are suggesting for this TV.
You have dynamic contrast turned off, that kills the colors on this TV especially on HDR. Set it to medium and you'll see a world of difference.
Yet some purists bla bla bla :D ...every extra filter is evil even if it actually improves the image. Also IMO warm 2 is a yellow filter and with zero sharpness unless you have a native 4K source you can see a lot of blurriness that can totally be removed with a resonable value in the sharpness.
Also outside of game mode you're playing your games in high latency mode especially with HDR on. I've tested the difference and it's noticeable.
 

Futurevoid

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The fact that you're using full RGB on the PS4 and then low HDMI black level means that something is off. You're artificially keeping mismatched color spaces to compensate for other settings that maybe simply do not look good to you.
So no reason to simply ''copy'' what rtings or other websites are suggesting for this TV.
You have dynamic contrast turned off, that kills the colors on this TV especially on HDR. Set it to medium and you'll see a world of difference.
Yet some purists bla bla bla :D ...every extra filter is evil even if it actually improves the image. Also IMO warm 2 is a yellow filter and with zero sharpness unless you have a native 4K source you can see a lot of blurriness that can totally be removed with a resonable value in the sharpness.
Also outside of game mode you're playing your games in high latency mode especially with HDR on. I've tested the difference and it's noticeable.
You need to read my post again. I *know* that RGB Full from the PS4 and Low are apparently mismatched (I even said it in the post) as Normal should properly match the Full setting from the PS4 (RGB 0-255) from what I understand of the television. With Deus Ex, I'm using Full and Normal and the image looks "correct". For some reason, they don't here. With The Last of Us, setting the HDMI Black level to Normal is akin to setting the contrast too low and washes the image out to back and hell. I can't explain why that is here but it's what I'm seeing. I'm coming from an ISF calibrated Plasma (VT50) prior to this set so it's not as though I'm a neophyte when it comes to dealing with these options. It's my understanding that the PS4's RGB range options act cludgy with certain sets. Hence my questioning the results.

Furthermore, these settings aren't "copied" from rtings so don't assume as such. It's a combination of a variety of settings I've seen recommended at a number of sites (and have tested) along with my own calibrations. Using specific color settings from rtings and other sites is all fun for a base except its meaningless as it varies greatly per panel. Hence why I do my own calibrations as well.

As to your other recommendation specific to dynamic contrast - to each their own bro. I've tested it and am not a fan of the results at all. Not knocking you if you dig it to be entirely clear! You gotta do what makes you happy with your own television but it looks artificial as fuck to me.
 

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The fact that you're using full RGB on the PS4 and then low HDMI black level means that something is off. You're artificially keeping mismatched color spaces to compensate for other settings that maybe simply do not look good to you.
So no reason to simply ''copy'' what rtings or other websites are suggesting for this TV.
You have dynamic contrast turned off, that kills the colors on this TV especially on HDR. Set it to medium and you'll see a world of difference.
Yet some purists bla bla bla :D ...every extra filter is evil even if it actually improves the image. Also IMO warm 2 is a yellow filter and with zero sharpness unless you have a native 4K source you can see a lot of blurriness that can totally be removed with a resonable value in the sharpness.
Also outside of game mode you're playing your games in high latency mode especially with HDR on. I've tested the difference and it's noticeable.
Low is full range on Samsung.
Normal is limited.
 

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Can't wait for CES. I hope HDR PC Monitors will be a thing next year...my mancave is my only chance for HDR gaming in the near future.
 

Elios83

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You need to read my post again. I *know* that RGB Full from the PS4 and Low are apparently mismatched (I even said it in the post) as Normal should properly match the Full setting from the PS4 (RGB 0-255) from what I understand of the television. With Deus Ex, I'm using Full and Normal and the image looks correct. For some reason, they don't here. With The Last of Us, setting the HDMI Black level to Normal is akin to setting the contrast too low and washes the image out to back and hell. I can't explain why that is here but it's what I'm seeing. I'm coming from an ISF calibrated Plasma (VT50) prior to this set so it's not as though I'm a neophyte when it comes to dealing with these options.

Furthermore, these settings aren't "copied" from rtings so don't assume as such. It's a combination of a variety of settings I've seen recommended at a number of sites (and have tested) along with my own calibrations. Using specific color settings from rtings and other sites is all fun for a base except its meaningless as it varies greatly per panel. Hence why I do my own calibrations as well.

As to your other recommendation specific to dynamic contrast - to each their own bro. I've tested it and am not a fan of the results at all. Not knocking you if you dig it to be entirely clear! You gotta do what makes you happy with your own television but it looks artificial as fuck to me.
Ah ok if you're generally happy with your settings that's totally fine!
I thought that you were using mistmatched color spaces in general to make the image look good.
You're having problems with TLOU in particular, don't know about that though because in this game I have normal and full RGB and colors are not washed out at all.

Low is full range on Samsung.
Normal is limited.
No definetly not on this TV.
Normal is full and low is limited.
If you use low with full RGB on PS4 on this TV you get crushed blacks.
 

Futurevoid

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Ah ok if you're generally happy with your settings that's totally fine!
I thought that you were using mistmatched color spaces in general to make the image look good.
You're having problems with TLOU in particular, don't know about that though because in this game I have normal and full RGB and colors are not washed out at all.
I'll have to test it a bit more tomorrow night and see if there's something I'm missing but yeah, definitely not doing so intentionally.:)

I should also mention that I'm using movie mode as a base but definitely have game mode enabled for low latency. Should have mentioned that in my previous post!

Deus Ex is unplayable in HDR without it for me.

Thanks for the suggestions regardless.

Normal is full range low is limited according to avs forums.
That was my understanding as well. Thanks!
 

MchugN

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I have this exact same tv and I don't agree at all.
I have both my regular HDMI setting on BT.2020 and my HDR setting on BT.2020. There are a few differences as far as color settings between the two (HDR at Max and HDMI at 60) and the regular in HDR mode looks much more vibrant as opposed to washed out.
What particular section of the game stood out to you?
There were a few that I thought looked better at first but ultimately regular looked better
Edit: Sorry, I'm an idiot and don't know how to embed pictures!!

I've got that same TV. Sony 65" 850c. These are the results I'm getting.

Non HDR
http://imgur.com/a/EfQnh

HDR
http://imgur.com/a/OQD6F

Non HDR
http://imgur.com/a/BIUj5

HDR
http://imgur.com/a/TKteV

Non HDR
http://imgur.com/a/GHIjI

HDR
http://imgur.com/a/MZ9BN

Non HDR
http://imgur.com/a/ln2Xi

HDR
http://imgur.com/a/Gd2M2
 

Karak

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Edit: Sorry, I'm an idiot and don't know how to embed pictures!!

I've got that same TV. Sony 65" 850c. These are the results I'm getting.

Non HDR
http://imgur.com/a/EfQnh

HDR
http://imgur.com/a/OQD6F

Non HDR
http://imgur.com/a/BIUj5

HDR
http://imgur.com/a/TKteV

Non HDR
http://imgur.com/a/GHIjI

HDR
http://imgur.com/a/MZ9BN

Non HDR
http://imgur.com/a/zMIbe

HDR
http://imgur.com/a/Gd2M2
Thank jezuz you can't imbed links lol. No one would buy an HDR tv again lol. And that's not on you or anything.

Also we shouldn't be seeing loss of detail in the color path. But in some of those pics its 100% evident especially where the spreading out of color detail is expected but instead is less than the normal SDR comparison. Even on an SDR pic you can notice it as evidenced by other titles(Forza, Gears, Shadow) with HDR and being photographed using normal SDR means. Then again even posting pics doesn't do any real justice as it can't even display some of what your seeing. But those make it look like an incredible amount of fine detail is being lost.
 

MchugN

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Thank jezuz you can't imbed links lol. No one would buy an HDR tv again lol. And that's not on you or anything.

Also we shouldn't be seeing loss of detail in the color path. But in some of those pics its 100% evident especially where the spreading out of color detail is expected but instead is less than the normal SDR comparison. Even on an SDR pic you can notice it as evidenced by other titles(Forza, Gears, Shadow) with HDR and being photographed using normal SDR means. Then again even posting pics doesn't do any real justice as it can't even display some of what your seeing. But those make it look like an incredible amount of fine detail is being lost.
I agree pictures can't do justice, especially when I'm snapping off screen from my cell. But even from these, you can see how wildly different the darker scenes are. Those last four pictures there is a very distinct difference.
 

Karak

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I agree pictures can't do justice, especially when I'm snapping off screen from my cell. But even from these, you can see how wildly different the darker scenes are. Those last four pictures there is a very distinct difference.
Ya it really does show something is completely off. Nothing like the past HDR examples. Its really odd. Sitting down to about 8 hours of late night testing on the 4 tv's to see what the situation is. going to be...an interesting night
 

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Robot Pants

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Edit: Sorry, I'm an idiot and don't know how to embed pictures!!

I've got that same TV. Sony 65" 850c. These are the results I'm getting.

Non HDR
http://imgur.com/a/EfQnh

HDR
http://imgur.com/a/OQD6F

Non HDR
http://imgur.com/a/BIUj5

HDR
http://imgur.com/a/TKteV

Non HDR
http://imgur.com/a/GHIjI

HDR
http://imgur.com/a/MZ9BN

Non HDR
http://imgur.com/a/zMIbe

HDR
http://imgur.com/a/Gd2M2
What are your settings for HDR mode?
And what are they without?
I suspect without is using Rec.709?
 

Chao

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For those saying "OMG There's a definitive difference as soon as it's activated!" You may want to check your settings and make sure it's not set to "dynamic contrast + 30 extra sharpness" like in my case by default.

Yeah it looked instantly different, also like shit. Had to change back to standard HDR and turn off all the post processing and the changes are very very subtle
 

bennibop

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I have the KS8000.

My settings in HDR:
Backlight: 20
Brightness: 45
Contrast: 100
Sharpness: 0
Color: 50
Tint: G50/R50
Digital Clean View: Off
Auto Motion Plus: Off
HDMI UHD Color: Make sure this is set to On for the HDMI input going to your PS4.
HDMI Black Level Setting: Low
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Color Tone: Warm2
White Balance: 2-point (only changes for me RGAIN -2, BGAIN 4 - this can vary per panel)
Gamma - 0
Color Space: Native

I set the PS4 RGB Range to full. The picture looked pretty a bit washed out on "Automatic" and didn't really have much of the brightness/contrast improvements I'd associate with HDR content. This is apparently known for the Samsung set (there's a thread running around here about it). .Setting the RGB Range to full really brought the beauty of the game out for me.

I had to set the RGB range the same for Deus Ex to display properly on the PS4. Without making that change, Deus Ex looked /terrible/ with a super washed out picture and some strange artifacting around light sources. In that game I had to change the HDMI Black level to Normal which is supposed to match the full range settings on the PS4. In this game, setting to normal washes the picture out. Not quite sure I understand why that's happening here? Either way, Sony needs to look at what the hell is up with the RGB setting and how it plays with certain TV's.

With the settings above though and the changes to the PS4's RGB, I found the improvements to be quite nice. It's not the best HDR implementation I've seen but its a pretty substantial difference over the game in SDR, IMO.
These settings seem to have a more noticeable difference, especially with clouds. I am now confused what the RGB setting should be on the TV and PS4!!
 

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As I said here. Strangely (and I know how to set up my tv spent two days on it ) the mos tcorrect picture I can get for hdr game on PS4 is PS4 full Rgb / tv limited / dynamic contrast on

It's like with hdr games, PS4 is forced in limited yet the limited setup is broken. So stay in full

I have an easy way to try. Uncharted 4 wallpaper. when you press PS button the PS4 OS stays in hdr. Uncharted 4 wallpaper is a good test. If full /full tv-ps4 in hdr the wallpaper black level isn't correct
 

MchugN

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What are your settings for HDR mode?
And what are they without?
I suspect without is using Rec.709?
I believe it's set to automatic. I followed some settings being used over at avsforums on the dedicated thread for this tv. Is your tv behaving better/worse than mine? Overall, I'm not very impressed with HDR on it. Seems it helps in darker scenes, but in bright scenes everything seems washed out and dull.
 

Karak

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Some people saying it's glorious and some saying it's terrible. God dammit!
Well aside from the one person with the OLED issue in the Second Son thread, you can see what a proper implementation usually does. Which is almost everyone noticing the improvement versus noticing the difference. That is the BIG issue here.
 

Harp

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I have this exact same tv and I don't agree at all.
I have both my regular HDMI setting on BT.2020 and my HDR setting on BT.2020. There are a few differences as far as color settings between the two (HDR at Max and HDMI at 60) and the regular in HDR mode looks much more vibrant as opposed to washed out.
What particular section of the game stood out to you?
There were a few that I thought looked better at first but ultimately regular looked better
I assume your comparing Custom mode to HDR mode, because that is the only to set BT2020 manually. When I use Custom I use DCI color, I found that BT2020 over saturates the colors to the point that you lose alot of detail, and the color changes to a completely different color. DCI gives a colors a little bit more contrast. And what are you changing to 60? The black level? I only set my Backlight brightness at Max, not the black level. The black level on this tv is perfect at 50. Even changing that to 51 kills alot of contrast. The best thing about the 850c is the contrast and that is what HDR is doing giving more shades.
 

Robot Pants

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I assume your comparing Custom mode to HDR mode, because that is the only to set BT2020 manually. When I use Custom I use DCI color, I found that BT2020 over saturates the colors to the point that you lose alot of detail, and the color changes to a completely different color. DCI gives a colors a little bit more contrast. And what are you changing to 60? The black level? I only set my Backlight brightness at Max, not the black level. The black level on this tv is perfect at 50. Even changing that to 51 kills alot of contrast. The best thing about the 850c is the contrast and that is what HDR is doing giving more shades.
I was referring to the Color setting. For HDR it's at 80 now, and HDMI it's now at 40. (Changed back to Auto/rec.709).
Brightness max, black level 50.

After these changes I did see it pop a little more. It's a difference. Nothing huge still though but it does look better. And at night the blacks are pretty light even with the in game brightness all the way down. I think it's just inherent of the game. However the best looking setting is HDR OFF and color space at BT.2020. It's the best of both worlds. Best color and not washed out at all.
Only for this game though
 

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for those of us with receivers that doesn't do HDR and have to plug the ps4/ps4 pro directly to the TV, will we be able to use an optical out cable to the receiver in order to get surround sound? Does the Pro have such capability?
 

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Some people saying it's glorious and some saying it's terrible. God dammit!
Its a fairly conservative implementation of HDR. That being said, it does add to the image realism.

Only way it could be terrible is if you have incorrect settings anywhere in your PS4-Monitor pipeline.

for those of us with receivers that doesn't do HDR and have to plug the ps4/ps4 pro directly to the TV, will we be able to use an optical out cable to the receiver in order to get surround sound? Does the Pro have such capability?
Yes, you can do this, it just will be compressed. Also the pro has an optical out port.
 

Pjsprojects

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Why would HDR be greyed out in the options menu when my TV and PS4 are set to HDR mode?

Edit - Only HDMI one has HDR output.
 

mitchman

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Why would HDR be greyed out in the options menu when my TV and PS4 are set to HDR mode?

Edit - Only HDMI one has HDR output.
You dont set the TV to HDR "mode". If you did, then that's the pseudo HDR called HDR+ and tries to take SDR content and make it better. Set the HDMI input to UHD Color mode and it should be automatic.