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Yeeeessssss... It is a movie. No rule says that the main character must be alive at the end of such a media format however.WickedAngel said:
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The Last Samurai is awesome innit.
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Freshmaker said:
No rule says that. It's kind of stupid to be surprised about such an occurrence, however.
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It's not surprising. It was just stupid.WickedAngel said:
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Freshmaker said:
Your complaint was about authenticity. The only thing stupid about any of this is the idea that Hollywood has ever given a shit about historical authenticity.
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Yeah, "LOL Hollywood!" contributes far more.WickedAngel said:
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Freshmaker said:
It contributes more than someone who is too ignorant to acknowledge it as standard practice.
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Yeah, no.
This seems to be a popular argument on GAF lately. It just the way it is, so don't bitch about it, you can't change it.WickedAngel said:
It's a pretty weak argument.
Edit: A to the movie, it is probably my favourite Tom Cruise film, but I hate Tom Cruise in films! I think it would have been a better story without his character at all. Sure, there would then have been no transgressive romance angle, and a few of the cool scenes with the kid in the village would have been lost, but Watanabe's character could have been more developed, as could the other Samurai. It is a beautifully shot film though, and I watch it often.
I rate it above Dances with Wolves, it is almost the same movie, but I think it is a bit better with the cultural context of the story. Haven't seen Avatar to compare it yet.
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It's pretty weak to assume that anyone that actually has the ability to change such things in the industry gives a shit about what some guy on a gaming forum thinks about anything.
It is even weaker to assume that someone expects their comment to change anything. Who has said anything about being able to change anything? All I saw was a guy saying he wished it ended differently. Big fucking deal, why jump down his throat for that? You never commented about something you couldn't change?WickedAngel said:
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idahoblue said:
Should the thread have ended there where he made that statement? How is it wrong to point out the absurd generality of his statement in the context of the industry at large? Almost every single "historical" movie that has been a success in the industry has seen huge embellishment for the sake of entertainment.
No, it should not have ended there, but your argument became 'why bother talking about it, it won't change anything'. That's a pretty weak stance to take. It makes 99.9% of human conversation pointless according to you.WickedAngel said:
I can see why the character lived, I can see that TC and the producers would never have killed him off, but certainly can wish that wasn't the case.
I haven't seen Valkyrie, but the character he played DID die, so not much choice there. I think the translator could have been further developed, or even change the scene completely so the Emperor made the realisation based on the example of the Samurai, without needed to the rough westerner to help point it out. But I get it was a nice simple way to tie p the story.PSGames said:
I think the suspension of disbelief required to have him be the ONLY survivor is too much. Again, I see why they did it, I just wish they hadn't.
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Man, fuck the cruise haters. I was expecting this film to suck because of all the movie dorks bitching but i thought it was fantastic.
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Historically speaking it's a travesty. At least Mel made it an awesome movie to compensate though.
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And other times when I am not as knowledgeable about the history of something it doesn't bother me. I am fairly sharp on many eras of history but I majored in the Meiji period. So yeah it bothered me. Doesn't mean it is a bad, horrible movie.
It's a personal thing.
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Patrick McGoohan made that film man, holy shit what a performance.
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I like The Last Samurai for several reasons;
~ It's a genre that Hollywood barely ever touches, and as such it was great to see a big-budget samurai film on the big screen for once.
~ Ken Watanabe is undeniably likable and all sorts of badass in practically every role he plays, The Last Samurai is no exception.
~ The scene near the beginning when the we get the big reveal of the samurai when they come riding through the dark and foggy forest gives me chills to this day, it really is an incredible shot.
~ I think Tom Cruise did an excellent job, the movie was one of the last ones he did before 2005 came around and everyone wanted to hang him from the highest tree and he had to earn back the public's trust
~ Steven Seagal's little tantrum over Tom Cruise being cast as "the last samurai" instead of...Steven Seagal, is infinitely hilarious to me:
Steven Seagal. Man of sentence fragments.
I understand people ho-humming the film because of "typical Hollywood" making Whitey McWhiteguy the last one to survive not any of actual asian samurai, but overall I felt it was a very respectful depiction of that kind of lifestyle.
I don't want to get into pissing-contests about historical accuracy/inaccuracy, I just enjoyed the film, don't know what else to say :/
~ It's a genre that Hollywood barely ever touches, and as such it was great to see a big-budget samurai film on the big screen for once.
~ Ken Watanabe is undeniably likable and all sorts of badass in practically every role he plays, The Last Samurai is no exception.
~ The scene near the beginning when the we get the big reveal of the samurai when they come riding through the dark and foggy forest gives me chills to this day, it really is an incredible shot.
~ I think Tom Cruise did an excellent job, the movie was one of the last ones he did before 2005 came around and everyone wanted to hang him from the highest tree and he had to earn back the public's trust
~ Steven Seagal's little tantrum over Tom Cruise being cast as "the last samurai" instead of...Steven Seagal, is infinitely hilarious to me:
Steven Seagal. Man of sentence fragments.
I understand people ho-humming the film because of "typical Hollywood" making Whitey McWhiteguy the last one to survive not any of actual asian samurai, but overall I felt it was a very respectful depiction of that kind of lifestyle.
I don't want to get into pissing-contests about historical accuracy/inaccuracy, I just enjoyed the film, don't know what else to say :/
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No it wasn't.PSGames said:
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