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The mass shooting in Virginia is getting surprisingly little attention

matt404au

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Infinitely? Lol.

Yeah. A nation with guns has more gun violence than nations without significant gun culture. Get yer crackerjack prize. A nation without shovels would have less holes, too. What you fall to grasp is that we still want our guns.

Gun violence in the US has been going steadily down for years, despite what the news says. *



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Well over half if the gun deaths in the US are suicides. Suicide rates in the US generally mirror those of other western countries, meaning people just find other ways [ie, gun suicides are not because of guns].

The simple truth is that the single best way we could lower gun violence would not be removing legal guns, but rather, address the real issue: gang violence. Because that's really what we are talking about.

And sure, we can get into that. But then we'd have to discuss single motherhood. And if we discuss that, we need to discuss the welfare system. And if we discuss that, well, c'mon, let's be serious, we both know you're not going in deep on that. We'd need to discuss drugs. And black on black crime. You ready for that?

And you want to talk mass shootings? Yeah. We can discuss those. But first we need to discuss.... single motherhood. Again. And then we need to discuss the psychotropic pharmaceuticals being pumped into a significant percentage of today's boys: specifically, the most unruly and aggressive of those boys, often without fathers, who instead of learning about discipline are learning to pill pop on doctor's orders. The very ones being told they are toxic and wrong and awful. Yeah. Let's talk about that.

What we don't really need to talk about much is the 2nd amendment. First, because its here to stay. Second, because it's not the driving force behind gun violence. Just like knife ownership isn't the driving force behind knife murders in London.

You know who wants to talk about how to solve the societal problems causing gun violence? The right. You know who wants to blame the results of decades of bad policy on guns? The left. Why? Because they actively discourage talking about any real issue that might contravene their gun control narrative.

Because you're too fucking scared to admit that single mothers are not equipped to handle the most aggressive boys. You're too scared to admit that they are failed at home, then failed by state schools, handed drugs by counselors to control them, then released to the streets with a shit education in democratic stronghold cities incapable of dealing with crime because cops are forced to police with one arm behind their back else you scream brutality. Failure after failure after failure, but that's okay because you point at that failure of policy, of that failure of liberal ideology, and get to scream that its racism instead. Just like the left will find something thing to blame typhus and bubonic plague in California on that doesn't implicate their own failed policy and inability to address homelessness because they're too scared they might offend the mentally ill.

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Murdered by words.

The dishonest little cunt will never respond to this.
 
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Murdered by words.

The dishonest little cunt will never respond to this.
Well you are half right. I am not going to respond, but not because I was "murdered by words". I completely disagree with @autoduelist on this, but anyone who is willing to try that hard to defend gun ownership and be against responsible gun control laws in the face of mass shootings like this is not someone that is going to be convinced to change his mind based on a forum discussion so I am just choosing to save myself the time and energy. If I felt like he was able to be convinced then I would give it a go, but nothing I have seen from him in the past gives me that impression. Especially on this topic after reading his post. Me and him will just have to agree to disagree on the topic.

God. This is terrible. I had no idea things were so dire.

Please don't let NI come to my country.
Well unless you live in the UK or Canada you don't have much to worry about. I won't even need to move at all if the US could actually get its shit together when it comes to gun control, womens rights, and healthcare. But I don't see that miracle happening anytime soon.
 
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I heard it in our local news too. Of course no photos or race mention either.
One reason probably is because all those people where race and immigration is involved are released from prison very shortly and they don't want people to recognize them, having that amount of crimes
 

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Well you are half right. I am not going to respond, but not because I was "murdered by words". I completely disagree with @autoduelist on this, but anyone who is willing to try that hard to defend gun ownership and be against responsible gun control laws in the face of mass shootings like this is not someone that is going to be convinced to change his mind based on a forum discussion so I am just choosing to save myself the time and energy. If I felt like he was able to be convinced then I would give it a go, but nothing I have seen from him in the past gives me that impression. Especially on this topic after reading his post. Me and him will just have to agree to disagree on the topic.



Well unless you live in the UK or Canada you don't have much to worry about. I won't even need to move at all if the US could actually get its shit together when it comes to gun control, womens rights, and healthcare. But I don't see that miracle happening anytime soon.
Probably because his points on single motherhood hit too close to home.
 

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I find it rather ironic that you acknowledge that is probably gonna happen at some point.


Also what do you mean by "non-partisan". I will say fuck you to that shooter just like I did to this one. just like I would to any shooter.
Why is the possibility of a future shooter wearing a MAGA hat so strange?
Last three ones we talked about here were mixed-race gay, a trans and a black guy. Sooner or later it will be a crazy bernie supporter, a crazy antifa guy or someone crazy in a maga hat.
Why is that so unreasonable to assume that also people in maga hats can be crazy?
Crazy people come in all stripes. Some even wear MAGA hats. I am sure we will see future shooters wearing MAGA hats, just as we will see more black or Trans shooters.


Secondly, you and a non-partisan response to a righ-winger committing a heinous act of violence. Seriously? You won't weaponize it as proof of "Hate in Trumps America?" or "it is an already established narrative?"
That whole concept is just ridiculous.
 
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You were trying to say that white shooters are covered more because they are white and that since this guy was black it has been shelved. Which is obviously not true at all. The only one full of shit here is you. But that is par for the course at this point.
Except that it is true, evidence being this very shooting. It has gotten little to no national coverage. Same with the shooting that just happened in Colorado.

Seems that when the shooter doesn't fit a profile, the press magically lose interest.
 
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Except that it is true, evidence being this very shooting. It has gotten little to no national coverage. Same with the shooting that just happened in Colorado.

Seems that when the shooter doesn't fit a profile, the press magically lose interest.
It was all over CNN, Fox News, and MSNBC the day of the shooting and most of the day after. It was a widely discussed topic on Youtube, Twitter, Reddit, Instagram, and Facebook as well. It was even mentioned on my local news here. It got PLENTY of national coverage.


If you still think that isn't enough coverage then tell me what you think what would have been adequate coverage.
 
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Its not because the shooter was black. Its because mass shootings have become so common that they are barely covered beyond the first few days anymore. The New Zealand shooting was different due to the body count, the social media attention the shooter gave himself, and the fact that these thing never happen in New Zealand. In America these things happen almost bi-weekly now since Congress refuses to do anything about it. So its not really "shocking" anymore. Oh there was a mass shooting? Just another day in America.
You made an entire thread dedicated to a (fake) hate crime against Jussie Smollett. Your opinion on what is "just another day in America" is worth less than a 6-year-old reading the rack of magazines on the grocery checkout with their mommy.
 
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Assume they spoke English
Would still prefer Canada over Africa because it would be easier to travel back to see my family from Canada than it would be Africa. And I would still prefer Canada or the UK to both Africa and Mexico because I don't like the heat. I prefer a colder climate if given the choice. Winter is easily my favorite time of year.

Move to the UK and start posting on reeee I mean or do you love being miserable lol
I don't need to move to the UK to do that? I already post on Era. Also why would I be miserable? I mean the US is shit right now, but not bad enough to be "miserable". There are much worse places to live.
 
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Would still prefer Canada over Africa because it would be easier to travel back to see my family from Canada than it would be Africa. And I would still prefer Canada or the UK to both Africa and Mexico because I don't like the heat. I prefer a colder climate if given the choice. Winter is easily my favorite time of year.
So the possibility of gun violence in America has you eager to leave. But the violence in Africa and Mexico isn’t a concern? It’s the language and heat?
 
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So the possibility of gun violence in America has you eager to leave. But the violence in Africa and Mexico isn’t a concern? It’s the language and heat?
No it would still bother me and affect my decision in the end, but I am more familiar with the violence here in America than I am Mexico or Africa so I don't really feel like I know enough to talk about it when it comes to actually living there. So I didn't feel the need to mention it.
 
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No it would still bother me and affect my decision, but I am more familiar with the violence here in America than I am Mexico or Africa so I don't really feel like I know enough to talk about it when it comes to actually living there. So I didn't feel the need to mention it.
It’s bad. Look it up

You are my favorite. Never change a thing
 

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They speak plenty of English in Mexico, I travel back-and-forth all the time, but we all know why Canada is always chosen over that by virtue signaling ideologues, don’t try to hide it.
 

KINGMOKU

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Its not expensive to move to Canada, you could do it tomorrow. The only thing stopping you, is you.

Canada is a lovely place, I've been a multitude of times. Make sure you see Niagara Falls from the Canadian side. Its absolutely better then the American side. (Fits in with your disdain of America perfectly so it's a win win for you)
 
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Nope. The plan is either the UK or Canada. Preferably Canada.
Not Mexico? Whats wrong with our beautiful culture and cities? Language is super easy to learn and don't need much in border cities.

Is learning a new language scarier than American gun violence?

You can go to Mexico today, no money required, socialist president too! You can make money cleaning gravestones for 25 cents each during holidays, sell gum/candy to American tourists. You won't need a lot of money to survive. If you're prior military you make a ton of cash.

Actually if you're really lazy about the whole language thing, come to Belize!
 

KINGMOKU

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You know literally nothing about me or my situation. Its not just me that would need to go to Canada. Its not as easy as backing a bag and buying a ticket.



Yeah I thought so.
I'll concede that point, but I do know who you remind me of;



They didnt go either. We all have flights of fancy from time to time.
 

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Attention give it around three weeks and we'll be back to guess what trump ate for breakfast youwon't believe it.

There will be more before the years out
 
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I'll concede that point, but I do know who you remind me of;

They didnt go either. We all have flights of fancy from time to time.
I have wanted to move to Canada since I was 14. Which was before Obama was even elected. The idiot being elected president has literally nothing to do with my initial desire to leave. It has only strengthened that desire. I was unhappy living in United States long before he began his circus and I will still want to leave long after he is gone unless things miraculously change for the better.
 
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I have wanted to move to Canada since I was 14. Which was before Obama was even elected. The idiot being elected president has literally nothing to do with my initial desire to leave. It has only strengthened that desire. I was unhappy living in United States long before he began his circus and I will still want to leave long after he is gone unless thing miraculously change for the better.
Well, you should try it then. It is always a good experience to live in a different country and different culture properly, as opposed to just visit as a tourist.

Canada has a points based system, and part of it is based on age. The older you get the harder it gets to pass.
It is also a very long process, with a lot of documents and processing that has to happen to get a migration visa or permanent residency.
It is a lot of work and takes a very long time but if you really want to, then just do it, or start the process at least.
 
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Well, you should try it then. It is always a good experience to live in a different country and different culture properly, as opposed to just visit as a tourist.

Canada has a points based system, and part of it is based on age. The older you get the harder it gets to pass.
It is also a very long process, with a lot of documents and processing that has to happen to get a migration visa or permanent residency.
It is a lot of work and takes a very long time but if you really want to, then just do it, or start the process at least.
It won't be that long and we won't be that old. If everything stays on track and everything goes as planned we should be able to retire with enough money to live fairly comfortably within the next 10-15yrs. And neither of us will even be over 45 by that point.
 
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KINGMOKU

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I have wanted to move to Canada since I was 14. Which was before Obama was even elected. The idiot being elected president has literally nothing to do with my initial desire to leave. It has only strengthened that desire. I was unhappy living in United States long before he began his circus and I will still want to leave long after he is gone unless things miraculously change for the better.
Well then regardless of your politics, and the bickering on this board, go. Stop putting it off, or planning for the future. Everyone has compelling reasons why they dont do something.

Fortune favors the bold. Make a plan, and get it done. I learned an important lesson when I was young about putting things off becuase it was inconvenient, or difficult. It's never as impossible at it seems.
 

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Its not because the shooter was black. Its because mass shootings have become so common that they are barely covered beyond the first few days anymore. The New Zealand shooting was different due to the body count, the social media attention the shooter gave himself, and the fact that these thing never happen in New Zealand. In America these things happen almost bi-weekly now since Congress refuses to do anything about it. So its not really "shocking" anymore. Oh there was a mass shooting? Just another day in America.
But a kid akwardly smiling at a native american banging a drum got a month of attention.

And some celebrity bitching about an assault (that never actually happened) was given at least a couple weeks.

Really gets that noggin joggin’ doesn’t it? It’s almost as if they’re refusing to cover this specific shooting because it doesn’t jive with the established narrative.

It’s almost like you feel a personal need to defend that narrative and the people pushing it because it’s the one that you personally agree with and have bought into.

Really makes you think. 🤔
 
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Infinitely? Lol.

Yeah. A nation with guns has more gun violence than nations without significant gun culture. Get yer crackerjack prize. A nation without shovels would have less holes, too. What you fall to grasp is that we still want our guns.

Gun violence in the US has been going steadily down for years, despite what the news says. *



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Well over half if the gun deaths in the US are suicides. Suicide rates in the US generally mirror those of other western countries, meaning people just find other ways [ie, gun suicides are not because of guns].

The simple truth is that the single best way we could lower gun violence would not be removing legal guns, but rather, address the real issue: gang violence. Because that's really what we are talking about.

And sure, we can get into that. But then we'd have to discuss single motherhood. And if we discuss that, we need to discuss the welfare system. And if we discuss that, well, c'mon, let's be serious, we both know you're not going in deep on that. We'd need to discuss drugs. And black on black crime. You ready for that?

And you want to talk mass shootings? Yeah. We can discuss those. But first we need to discuss.... single motherhood. Again. And then we need to discuss the psychotropic pharmaceuticals being pumped into a significant percentage of today's boys: specifically, the most unruly and aggressive of those boys, often without fathers, who instead of learning about discipline are learning to pill pop on doctor's orders. The very ones being told they are toxic and wrong and awful. Yeah. Let's talk about that.

What we don't really need to talk about much is the 2nd amendment. First, because its here to stay. Second, because it's not the driving force behind gun violence. Just like knife ownership isn't the driving force behind knife murders in London.

You know who wants to talk about how to solve the societal problems causing gun violence? The right. You know who wants to blame the results of decades of bad policy on guns? The left. Why? Because they actively discourage talking about any real issue that might contravene their gun control narrative.

Because you're too fucking scared to admit that single mothers are not equipped to handle the most aggressive boys. You're too scared to admit that they are failed at home, then failed by state schools, handed drugs by counselors to control them, then released to the streets with a shit education in democratic stronghold cities incapable of dealing with crime because cops are forced to police with one arm behind their back else you scream brutality. Failure after failure after failure, but that's okay because you point at that failure of policy, of that failure of liberal ideology, and get to scream that its racism instead. Just like the left will find something thing to blame typhus and bubonic plague in California on that doesn't implicate their own failed policy and inability to address homelessness because they're too scared they might offend the mentally ill.

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This exemplifies the extent conservatives will travel to avoid a discussion about substantive gun control legislation.

99.9% of children with "single mothers" don't shoot anyone. With mass shootings and single mothers correlation, the percentages of black offenders would be disproportionate, but they aren't. In fact, single or both patent families alone provide no predictive factor for whether someone will commit a mass shooting, or a general homicide. Gang violence causes a lot of homicides, but comes from far less than 1% of the population, and doesn't directly have to do with single motherhood. Income is part of the equation, but so is access to guns, and many other things. Authoritative parenting does not reduce homicide rates either as far as we know.

So a lot of what you said is absent evidence, but is mostly the generic Rick Santorum talking point.

Regardless of whether you want to commit a mass shooting, or a homicide, you still need to do background checks to get a gun. That would be nice. It would also be nice if the entire country had the same standards so people can't circumvent local rules.
 
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Regardless of whether you want to commit a mass shooting, or a homicide, you still need to do background checks to get a gun. That would be nice. It would also be nice if the entire country had the same standards so people can't circumvent local rules.

A new FBI study of active shooters over a 13-year period reveals that the majority used legally purchased guns, have a history with the site that they attack, and contrary to popular belief do not have a long history of mental health issues.

The youngest active shooter was 12 and the oldest 88, with an average age of 37.8 years. The sample was overwhelmingly male (94 percent) compared with only four females (6 percent).

Active shooters had a limited history of adult convictions for crimes, including violent crime.

Active shooters often attacked people and places with which they were familiar. There was a known connection between the active shooters and the attack site in 73 percent of the cases, often a workplace or former workplace for those 18 and older and almost always a school or former school for those younger than 18.

Most commonly the active shooter purchased a firearm or firearms legally and specifically for the purpose of perpetrating the attack. A very small percentage, only 2 percent, purchased firearms illegally or stole the firearm. Some borrowed or took the firearm from a person known to them. A significant number of active shooters (35 percent) already possessed a firearm and did not appear to have obtained it for the express purpose of committing the shooting.

 
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That's specific to mass shooters, but I added "or homicide", so I'm talking about everything.
 

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Its not because the shooter was black. Its because mass shootings have become so common that they are barely covered beyond the first few days anymore. The New Zealand shooting was different due to the body count, the social media attention the shooter gave himself, and the fact that these thing never happen in New Zealand. In America these things happen almost bi-weekly now since Congress refuses to do anything about it. So its not really "shocking" anymore. Oh there was a mass shooting? Just another day in America.
First few days? This one didn't even last on Resets front page for more than 24 hours.
 

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I have been seeing a bunch of articles and material on it. Era excluded of course
 

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Its not expensive to move to Canada, you could do it tomorrow. The only thing stopping you, is you.

Canada is a lovely place, I've been a multitude of times. Make sure you see Niagara Falls from the Canadian side. Its absolutely better then the American side. (Fits in with your disdain of America perfectly so it's a win win for you)
Hey we already have Trudeau, I think we have suffered enough!
 

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This shooting is all over the media.

I actually lived not far from where this happened for quite a few years.
So I know the area pretty well.

That particular area on Princess Anne Rd, is where the Court House is, so a lot of police are there. But obviously the shooter knew this, hence why he used a silencer.

As far as skin color. None of that matters when it comes to mass shootings or at least it shouldn’t, unless it was racially motivated, which this particular shooting was not. It has been reported by co-workers, that he gave his two week notice, days prior to the shooting.
 
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..unless it was racially motivated, which this particular shooting was not.
Funny how that criteria is so selectively applied.
Also, can you provide the empirical evidence to support your claim?
I believe the only person with absolute authority on the topic isn't in a position to speak.
 
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12 dead to pistols? They can try limiting types/magazines/sizes all they want, but psychos are always gonna find a way to burn things, be it with vehicles, blades, chemicals, or whatever you can imagine.

Starting to see why "more guns" might not be terrible reasoning for the short term (not gonna fix mental health any time soon)
 

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Funny how that criteria is so selectively applied.
Also, can you provide the empirical evidence to support your claim?
I believe the only person with absolute authority on the topic isn't in a position to speak.
People died and you guys want to make this about Resetera and it’s outrage about everything. Amazing.

My evidence is based around the victims of this shooting. Three of the twelve victims were black.

 
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