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The matrix - why is it r rated?

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mrklaw

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This is one of my favourite movies, and I was considering letting my 12 year old son watching it, so I watched it again to screen for appropriateness. Here are some icky moments (big being removed) but a lot of the violence is clearly fantasy and there actually seemed less than in some recent PG-13/12A movies.

Am I missing something, or perhaps this is just a sign of ratings changing over the years? Would you consider it OK for a 12 year old that has seen all the marvel movies (except Thor 2 - still pondering that because it is quite stabby)
 
It had something to do with martial arts violence or some such nonsense. It is a violent movie though, with explicit bullet wounds and whatnot. Look at the end of TDKR, the policemen drop like sacks of potatoes without a single drop of blood. Dat PG-13.
 
I always wondered this myself. think it got harsher rating because of the religious overtones.
 
watched the whole series through and through for the first time a few days ago. There's some nudity in the second film (or third one I think) and the latter ones are a bit more violent.

The bug infiltration and removal scenes are gross and shocking for 12 year old. The entire movie is very dark. The real world awakening scene with tubes and machines is disturbing. Lots of bullets wounds blood and burned flesh. The themes and imagery can be brutal be careful

Ya the disturbing stuff is probably what pushed it up
 
The bug infiltration and removal scenes are gross and shocking for 12 year old. The entire movie is very dark. The real world awakening scene with tubes and machines is disturbing. Lots of bullets wounds blood and burned flesh. The themes and imagery can be brutal be careful
 
I noticed I didn't answer your other question.

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By the time I was 10 I had watched Terminator 1 and 2, Predator, Commando, Conan, Robocop and god knows what else.
 
did we watch the same movie ? where is all this extreme violence ? first saw this movie when I was 11 btw . said "oh shit" out loud in the theater when I first saw Trinity do the kick in the intro. still to date my favorite movie experience.
 
By the time I was 10 I had watched Terminator 1 and 2, Predator, Commando, Conan, Robocop and god knows what else.

Alien, Aliens, Die Hard etc

Movies are soft as hell these days. Or maybe it's the pampered audience that is soft as hell. Thor 2 is stabby? Come on son... come the fuck on. Kid is 12 years old, Thor 2 in real life can be watched by a 7 year old.
 
The bug infiltration and removal scenes are gross and shocking for 12 year old. The entire movie is very dark. The real world awakening scene with tubes and machines is disturbing. Lots of bullets wounds blood and burned flesh. The themes and imagery can be brutal be careful

This. When I watched the movie for the first time, as a kid, these scenes terrified me.

Especially the awakening scene from the Matrix and the violent "rejection" of it where the plugs get removed. My brain was also struggling to grasp what the hell was going on, what was this new place Neo had awoken to.

The combined effect of WTF imagery + WTF plot was intimidating.
 
It was rated M (PG-13 equivalent) in Australia. I found the bug interrogation scene and Neo's awakening sequence really cool as a kid. I don't really think it is that intense of a film.
 
Also it features many on screen deaths.

I don't mean Neo killing SWAT teams or whatever which even a kid might find cool, but stuff like Cypher murdering one by one the Neb crew, Switch saying "not like this" knowing she is going to die in the next seconds and the camera actually showing her dropping dead etc.

Not to mention many wounds, blood etc.
 
Because the whole movie is pretty disturbing dude :p
Like the scene where he slowly pulls the cable out of the back of his neck...
 
Shit I saw 9 1/2 weeks and Fatal Attraction when I was about 10, Movies don't affect normal kids in the way people believe.

That may be true, but the parent is tasked with determining what is appropriate for the child. Each child is different - hence the word, 'parenting'.

Just because they come out of it without being scarred for life, it doesnt mean the movies you cite should be offered freely without limits to children. People put too much weight on ratings, as if they somehow free the parent from the responsibilty of checking the content which is why props to the OP for tackling the subect and doing the rewatch. If they think their kid can handle it - go for it in a controlled way.

I watched Robocop when I was 9 sneakily at a friends house and did just fine - but Im glad my parents didnt give me such a free reign that my mates friends parents did (who didnt give two shits what he watched - it wasnt the movies but such an careless parental attitude that contributed in leading that mate to go on to be a nasty piece of work)
 
It probably has alot to do with killing an entire building full of security guards or shooting people in the head at point blank range.
 
There are also RATM and Marilyn Manson songs playing over the end credits that up the profane language count up quite a bit.
 
Alien, Aliens, Die Hard etc

Movies are soft as hell these days. Or maybe it's the pampered audience that is soft as hell. Thor 2 is stabby? Come on son... come the fuck on. Kid is 12 years old, Thor 2 in real life can be watched by a 7 year old.

Thor 2 has at least 2, possibly 3 scenes where someone is stabbed clearly and at least he of those the sword comes out the other side. Avengers had that once briefly with coulson but Thor 2 is much more in your face IMO

Matrix is interesting because the real violence happens to artificial beings (although real humans will die, you don't see this), and the real bloody one is neo at the end and I think that is excusable as it is critical to the movie and he recovers from it.
 
That may be true, but the parent is tasked with determining what is appropriate for the child. Each child is different - hence the word, 'parenting'.

Just because they come out of it without being scarred for life, it doesnt mean the movies you cite should be offered freely without limits to children. People put too much weight on ratings, as if they somehow free the parent from the responsibilty of checking the content which is why props to the OP for tackling the subect and doing the rewatch. If they think their kid can handle it - go for it in a controlled way.

I watched Robocop when I was 9 sneakily at a friends house and did just fine - but Im glad my parents didnt give me such a free reign that my mates friends parents did (who didnt give two shits what he watched - it wasnt the movies but such an careless parental attitude that contributed in leading that mate to go on to be a nasty piece of work)

Good post. I think I ended up watching The Matrix in cinemas when I was 9. As was stated above, The Matrix was rated PG-13 equivalent in Australia so it wasn't a huge deal but my parents loosely enforced ratings rules in our house. When I saw some horrible shit on screen when I was young, it didn't scar me for life, but some stuff certainly freaked me out at the time. Sometimes I would go to bed worrying about murderers breaking in and doing the same horrible shit I just saw on screen earlier that night.

In regards to OP's question, The Matrix is a strange one I think. It's not really as violent, doesn't have as much swearing (no f-bombs at all I don't think), or as much sexual imagery (one scene in the sequel) as a regular R-rated film. But at the same time, it is a bit harder than a PG-13 you feel. Blood is there when it needs to be there. The characters freely say 'shit,' which is, as far as I know, not so prominent in a regular PG-13 film. I love this kind of filmmaking. Usually, the team will either try to squeeze a film into the PG-13 slot, and as a result it always feels a little bit artificial - The Dark Knight's lack of blood entirely for example. That, or they say 'fuck it - It's gonna be R. May as well go balls to the walls and make it a selling point. Every actor, ramp up on the f-strikes. Every action scene needs blood pouring from the arteries.'

The Matrix just tells the story it wants to tell. If violence is necessary here, it'll throw it in freely but it won't be a staple of every action scene. Most of the martial arts scenes are blood free - delicately stylized appropriate to the world of The Matrix. But over the course of the series, you'll see charred arms, skewered bodies, torture, burnt/singed eyes by sparky-hot-cable and knife stabs. And it's all quite graphic but it's all there for the story. I would imagine having a studio allowing that amount of freedom would feel quite liberating.

If I could make this post just a tad longer, I suppose I'd also like to bring up the themes and tone too. I think the thing that ultimately makes The Matrix fine to show to a younger audience is that it's, in essence, a good vs. evil story. There are heroes we can root for who ultimately prevail against the forces of evil. There are casualties along the way, but that's what always got me to sleep at night when I was younger - the notion that good is out there and will stop evil. More mature R-rated films with more mature themes would have scared the shit out of me. Ones where the protagonist is a shade of evil and the right things don't always end up happening. Or there are psychopaths who get humanised and explored. I feel like there isn't really enough weight put on this by classification boards as there probably should be.

But The Matrix is certainly heavier thematically than a more typical PG-13 film like Star Wars. It does deal with strange and confronting ideas. It's a pretty shocking setting and premise and there's no easy way out. The idea that your whole life has effectively been a lie and you're being monitored constantly to conform is a bit terrifying. The imagery of being possessed without knowing or agreeing to is pretty scary. And then you might be dead by the time you get your body back. I always felt sorry for the homeless guy just minding his own business who got taken over by Smith and ended up being squashed by the train.
 
Thor 2 has at least 2, possibly 3 scenes where someone is stabbed clearly and at least he of those the sword comes out the other side. Avengers had that once briefly with coulson but Thor 2 is much more in your face IMO

Matrix is interesting because the real violence happens to artificial beings (although real humans will die, you don't see this), and the real bloody one is neo at the end and I think that is excusable as it is critical to the movie and he recovers from it.

Also:

The game was rated T despite featuring that lesbian kiss due to David Perry's amazing ability to bullshit: http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=16405

He then discussed the Matrix games – noting that they had problems with a lesbian kiss from Matrix Revolutions and the ESRB. His excuse was that as it was the Matrix, it was actually “two computers kissing” – “and the ESRB bought it!”

LOL!
 
It's not really as violent, doesn't have as much swearing (no f-bombs at all I don't think), or as much sexual imagery (one scene in the sequel) as a regular R-rated film.

It's interesting to note that drafts of the script had prominent f-bombs, which were all removed in the shooting script :P

For example the scene near the beginning where the cops witness Trinity jump from roof to roof in an earlier draft read like this:

Then hitting, somersaulting up, still running hard.

COP
Motherfucker -- that's impossible!

They stare, slack-jawed, as Agent Brown duplicates the
move exactly, landing, rolling over a shoulder, up onto
one knee.

Another one:

NEO, a younger man who knows more about living inside a
computer than living outside one.

NEO
Fuckin' idiots don't know shit.

He finishes his cereal and is about to disconnect when an
anonynous message slices onto the screen.

SCREEN
Do you want to know what the
Matrix is, Neo?

The famous "dodge this" scene:

Immediately, he whirls around and turns straight into the
muzzle of her .45 --

Jammed right into his head.

TRINITY
Dodge this, motherfucker!
 
There are also RATM and Marilyn Manson songs playing over the end credits that up the profane language count up quite a bit.

Well that is easily solved... :p

As for the rest, if there is any reason for it to be R, I agree with some that some of the themes and sequences are just really intense. I did see it when I was around 13 and I don't think I really understood everything until a later viewing when I was closer to 18 (and not necessarily because it was the second viewing...some things make more sense with age).
 
Ratings have changed. You can do a lot today with PG-13 that you couldn't years ago.

Not true at all. LotR came out not long after, and wasn't much less violent at all than the Matrix.

I think a 1-10 or 1-5 scale of intensity would be much better than the current rating system. First we need to reorganize the MPAA completely.
 
Wasn't it to do with headbutting,I remember Star Wars prequels had the same issues.

Rating boards seem to have major problems with that as it's apparently easily replicated.
 
Alien, Aliens, Die Hard etc

Movies are soft as hell these days. Or maybe it's the pampered audience that is soft as hell. Thor 2 is stabby? Come on son... come the fuck on. Kid is 12 years old, Thor 2 in real life can be watched by a 7 year old.

I started smoking when I was 12, Now that I'm 36 and have two kids It feels a lot more difficult to imagine kids doing shady stuff at various ages. I constantly have to think back to myself at whatever age and remember the crap I was up to.

I was either 7 or 8 when I watched Friday the 13th, A Nightmare on Elm Street, Terminator, and stuff like that with my friend. All this was while my mom was explicitly against anything of the sort, but you know kids will find a way. Now that the roles are reversed I'm sure I'll tell my kids not to watch stuff that they will find a way to watch. I don't think it affects them nearly as much as people like to think it does.

EDIT: and yes everyone all around is soft as hell now days.
 
Wasn't it to do with headbutting,I remember Star Wars prequels had the same issues.

Rating boards seem to have major problems with that as it's apparently easily replicated.

LOTR had headbutting and decapitations. But it also had black blood and it was monsters getting chopped up or headbutted.

As for watching R rated stuff as a kid, I saw just about anything that came out. When I was 5, I saw Terminator in the theaters. Watched tons of horror movies with my brother at home. Watched lots of vulgar stand up. It was awesome.
 
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