Bright-Light
Member
Are they facts? I don't know I ain't playef it. How many of these coins can you earn by playing a song. And how do you earn these coins?
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The new Guitar Hero has a new form of Microtransactions
- Thread starter Dusk Golem
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The perfect Dark
Banned
The problem is that there are only 42 songs on disc. And most of them are shit. I don't want to earn ingame currency to play other songs. And I'm definitely not paying real money to unlock songs for only 24 hours, lol.
on disc songs don't require tokens.....just GHTV stuff.....but go ahead and keep calling is a F2P title when it launches with over 200 songs that you don't have to pay a dime to play.
Absolutely disgusting, having a model that would be barely passable in a F2P ga...
Bad OP, bad!
Bad OP, bad!
Why is the person tweeting, and the OP, conveniently leaving out the fact that you naturally unlock tokens to play the songs you want just by playing the game. Almost every review has specifically stated that they never found themselves at a point where they were even inclined to spend a dime.
To add to this, you never, ever, ever have to pay to play the Live content in the game and on the disc.
Acerac
Banned
That's more than any other Guitar Hero though so it seems very silly to bitch about it?
GustyGardens
Banned
This doesn't seem like an issue to me. It actually sounds rather nice to have a large array of music available, without the need to pay outside the base price.
And this is worse than having to pay for all of the DLC songs in previous games or Rock Band? Not being able to just buy the songs sucks, but also there's a way to play all of the DLC songs for free.
No. There are 42 on disc songs you can play whenever. There is also GHTV, which is also free. Where spending real money comes in is if you want to play a specific GHTV song at the time (you can also use earned play tokens).
Think of GHTV as listening to the radio, where you have the option to pay (or use credits) to hear a specific song at any given time. Otherwise you get what you get, but it's free to access, so whatever really.
CecilRousso
Member
Nah, I'm asking a question here, so any clarifications are welcome. But based on this industries recent behaviour, I'm not really apologizing for being cynical.
So you're just saying "I can't have it the way I want it, so I hate it!"
There is a tangible business benefit to doing it this way. While not being able to unlock and keep songs sucks, I agree, it allows them to license much more songs, at amuch cheaper rate. So GHTV should potentially be a constantly growing and evolving thing.
There's only 42 on the disc. The rest are online only. So if you have shit internet, you have 42 songs forever.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
I am updating the OP, if some clarifications can be made, I will do as such.
Bright-Light
Member
Is the rate at which you earn tokens reasonable?
42 songs on disc, 200 songs on GHTV (these 200 are the ones that you play on the channels, and unlock via tokens for on-demand play)
According do every review I have personally seen, yes. Gametrailers and Kotaku went out of their way to say that they never once felt pressure to spend money.
This is one of the few fair points about TV I've heard. I will check my box when I get home to see if "online required" is mentioned anywhere near it, since it absolutely should be.
Yeah, fun fact, that's approaching half of *all* the content you could play in Warriors of Rock, total.
bananafactory
Banned
"most of the songs on the disc are shit" is your opinion. The disc track list could very well be my own playlist, I like nearly every song on there.
If you don't like the music offered why are you considering buying the game?
giancarlo123x
Banned
With my buddy we played overover 50 songs on live without spending a dime and earning more credits. This model is pretty great and I can tell people will come in without reading a thing saying "Lol Activision" or some crap.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
This is disgraceful, I feel sometimes this industry needs to die and reborn anew.
toythatkills
Corporate Lickspittle
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toythatkills
Corporate Lickspittle
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There are two modes.
42 songs in the play-whatever/traditional mode.
200+ songs in the play-whatever-is-on/radio mode. This is where the on-demand stuff is.
the people who are bitching are the hardcore players that like to master songs.....but for casual players......or folks that do like to own both games its perfect.
I can spend a base $99 and get everything with the game and not worry about buying more DLC.....while I keep my RB4 library growing.
When I cared about 100% songs and learning solo, yes I liked spending hours on end playing the same song or section....now a days I just want to play and discover music which GHTV allows people to insanely easy to jump in and discover/play music. If they find a song they want they will have plenty of tokens to play that song a few times in a row before getting bored and moving on to discover even more music.
The perfect Dark
Banned
Yes. Rockband has more songs, previous GH titles had more songs and if I buy those DLC songs I own them. I can replay them whenever I want.
Now I need enough ingame currency (or real money) to replay songs.
I'm not buying this game
Thanks for shedding a light on the situation man. Thought at first this was the most disgusting use of microtransactions I've ever seen on a videogame, but after your post yeah i guess its passable. It's not like we'll be able to get rid of MTs anytime soon, just deal with them, liking or not.
Cheat Code
Member
It's been advertised as an online streaming service since it was first revealed.
FrankCaron
Member
This worked really well for Just Dance Now on mobile. They ended up selling a yearly sub for $59.99, which to be honest, was great because a) it lasted long enough and b) they actively kept adding songs.
As per usual, if you don't like it, don't buy it and they won't do it.
As per usual, if you don't like it, don't buy it and they won't do it.
Acerac
Banned
If you don't have internet at all this an issue, but there are many games that lose value without access to the net.
That doesn't seem to be the main complaint anyways, especially here on an online forum.
Oh, I know. Been following it since announce. (<3 FSG) And I bet it's on the box, but like Titanfall (really meh comparison but yeah) people should know that a huge advertised portion is online only.
I'd probably buy that to be honest.
PROh1bited
Banned
I dunno why they can't give players the option of paying a certain amount per month and get unlimited access to the songs.
M1ch04c4n0
Banned
Next gen, just as you asked: full price for broken games, pay for playing them!
I play a lot at a friend's house who lives in the boonies. He has truly horrible capped internet. It's my main complaint against the game.
Oh cool! What's so broken about GH? And tell me, again, after I just laid out exactly how you never have to pay for it, why I have to pay for it?
The Dutch Slayer
Member
But in GHTV also there is no "win" or "failure" so it really does not matter in that aspect.
BronsonLee
Member
Was about to ask if it had failstates like Rock Band. Since it doesn't, it's definitely less arcade game and more karaoke service.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
You don't have to pay for a lot (or any for that matter) of F2P either, while they have some problematic mechanics over it.
This complaint is becoming less and less fair to me. It's the internet. Not everyone has it, I agree, and it's not always their fault (sometimes it's a product of where you live). Not everyone has an HDTV either, but consoles aren't still including composite cables. The idea of GHTV, being a streaming service that you can log into at any time to see a constantly refreshed library of music, is pretty sweet. But it requires internet to exist. At some point devs can't cater to everybody. Don't blame devs for making use of the internet, blame ISP's for not better servicing the population at large with what is at this point a basic utility.
Most F2P that people complain about are the ones that actively lock you out of the game or horrendously slow your progression. GHL does none of that. Literally the only reason to pay is to play a song you want. As others have mentioned, it's really no different than a karaoke machine that if you play otherwise, you don't really have to pay for.
Acerac
Banned
Fair enough, capped internet is a scourge.
Woffls
Member
It's a great system for parties because you get loads of music available for free and don't need to worry about selecting songs. Pretty much the only way to compete with Rock Band libraries.
But it's terrible for players like me who replay the same songs over and over to get better, and play probably half of the setlist at best. I'd like a system where you can select a handful of songs each month for full access and really focus on improving at those songs.
But it's terrible for players like me who replay the same songs over and over to get better, and play probably half of the setlist at best. I'd like a system where you can select a handful of songs each month for full access and really focus on improving at those songs.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
I consider this a bullshit model for a game that costs 100$.
TheSlySoul
Member
So I am guessing you pay to play a song but there is zero way to actually buy the songs? Seems the harsh Gamespot review is accurate.
toythatkills
Member
pretty much, and its not going to change anytime soon as long as we have monopolies being our providers. We are living in a future that wants to boom and go forward but are being held back by the complete ass holes known as giant corporations. With no competition making them upgrade as well its not going to improve anytime soon.
Can you imagine what we would have if fiber was available to every game at this instant? The amount of cloud activities that devs want to do would be most likely a reality.