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The Order: 1886 Gets New Direct-Feed Screenshots From Obama
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Abusive_Red
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Completely off topic, but I just got $1000 dollars and first class upgrades from delta for staying back in Boston for 2 more nights. Guess I'm gonna be spending a lot more on expensive beer this weekend!
Find yourself an Allagash Curieux, a good beer store or beer bar will have it. Belgian tripel brewed in Maine and aged in bourbon barrels. Spectacular beer. Cheers!
Alkastelca
Member
They should have gone with horde mode or some other unlockable mode....
Especially since their GOW games had unlockable alternate outfits and challenge arenas.
Seriously when they were making the game no one at RAD said ''Hey since we have such awesome crazy looking guns and gore let's do some sort of horde mode ! '' ?
It's like TLoU all over again. Co-op horde mode would be absolutely fucking fantastic in this game but nope not gonna happen.
I'm very disappointed..... I feel betrayed.
Forceatowulf
G***n S**n*bi
For whatever reason, I sometimes forget just how much of a monster 2001 was for gaming.
just... damn
BiGBoSSMk23
A company being excited for their new game is a huge slap in the face to all the fans that liked their old games.
I think i'm in agreement with Theman.
This game suffers from the same issue as Killzone.
Specifically Killzone 2.
It's got the theatricality of its core gameplay down pat, sprinkled with a few moments of brilliance, but so far its wasted it on a very disjointed story backed by an immensely interesting premise, much like the Killzone lore and its game's stories.
I hope things pick up, but right off the bat its failed to establish what makes the Order so ominous and omnipresent with their Blackwater, and you shouldn't make your audience wait till past the game's half to intrigue them.
This game suffers from the same issue as Killzone.
Specifically Killzone 2.
It's got the theatricality of its core gameplay down pat, sprinkled with a few moments of brilliance, but so far its wasted it on a very disjointed story backed by an immensely interesting premise, much like the Killzone lore and its game's stories.
I hope things pick up, but right off the bat its failed to establish what makes the Order so ominous and omnipresent with their Blackwater, and you shouldn't make your audience wait till past the game's half to intrigue them.
DoubleTake
Member
So gameplay needs cleaning up and the game is a slow starter. Everything else is gravy?
Just as I was signing off and starting my day, I saw a mention of NeoGAF from Andrea. I don't know how to put an Image of the tweet up - but here it is:
https://twitter.com/AndreaPessino/status/566705825159606274
https://twitter.com/AndreaPessino/status/566705825159606274
He is talking about story.
But I dont think I need to learn every single detail in one game, leave some mystery.
Omnistalgic
Member
R&D's first big AAA title though man...gotta let them stretch there feet first, more stuff will come. it's a miracle there are no bugs in the game.
They should have gone with horde mode or some other unlockable mode....
Especially since their GOW games had unlockable alternate outfits and challenge arenas.
Seriously when they were making the game no one at RAD said ''Hey since we have such awesome crazy looking guns and gore let's do some sort of horde mode ! '' ?
It's like TLoU all over again. Co-op horde mode would be absolutely fucking fantastic in this game but nope not gonna happen.
I'm very disappointed..... I feel betrayed.
DoubleTake
Member
By slow starter I'm referring to the story
Theman2k
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LookAtMeGo
Member
TBH, I find the story comparisons to Killzone disheartening. A game so focused on story drawing comparisons to a game I feel has one of the weakest stories in gaming is worrisome. I'm still crazy excited and will draw my own conclusions when I play it. But damn.
Hi Andrea!
Edit: if this game has good characters and voice overs, there is no possible way it could be as dull as killzones.
Also, I see now rapier is just comparing it in terms of not reaching its potential with the givin lore. Not the mediocrity of the story as a whole and has also not finished it.
Hi Andrea!
Edit: if this game has good characters and voice overs, there is no possible way it could be as dull as killzones.
Also, I see now rapier is just comparing it in terms of not reaching its potential with the givin lore. Not the mediocrity of the story as a whole and has also not finished it.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
RAD, if you happen to read through this thread, please ignore the people who want horde mode or those that don't understand why it's important to start slow and build up to maximise excitement. ND ignored them and look how successful TLOU was.
edit: OH, you ARE reading GAF. Ignore them!!!!
edit: OH, you ARE reading GAF. Ignore them!!!!
BiGBoSSMk23
A company being excited for their new game is a huge slap in the face to all the fans that liked their old games.
No, the gameplay is fine. At least by my standards.
But it's like their writing and story outline went through a lot of twists and turns to get to where its at.
You can tell they were inspired by naughty dog games, but I'm not sure they have that much lore to back things up...
I haven't finished, so none of this is final, but, I don't know... Expected it to go somewhere else. It's been stuck in a bit of an amateurish limbo that feels very incongruous with the extreme level of fidelity and artistry the story is packed in. I'm being ambiguous to avoid spoilers, of course...
BabyFaceKillah
Member
Really I'm already over it.. I dont think videos,screenshots and streams do it justice because the wow factor for me is gone.
I know it will probably still blow me away when I play.
Always-honest
Banned
Seems like the worst thing he could do. But i would probably do the same.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
ShutterMunster
Junior Member
I don't see why they should ignore people who want more content. In terms of changing the structure of narrative, sure, ignore them. It's their story, they get to tell it how they want, but if people feel there isn't enough content or they're just hungry for more it would be in RAD's best interest to satiate those desires.
bananafactory
Banned
Yeah I don't get why people want horde mode in TLOU.
TLOU was about scarcity of items, carefully reserving ammunition, and the tension of having to pick your shots and know when to melee/stealth and when to run away.
I don't think just dumping a bunch of guns and ammo on the player and letting them shoot hordes of infected works.
Nope, Theman was talking about level design
Always-honest
Banned
No..
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
So we have one guy saying its like Killzone because of the story but not level design and another saying its like Killzone because of level design.
WTF is going on.
On a side note that much reference to Killzone is really tempering my expectations.
DoubleTake
Member
Hmm interesting. Thanks for the impressions btw!
The more I see, the more my jaw drops. It is truly going to be a 'now this is next-gen' moment in terms of the visuals and effects going on. It blows away everything that has released so far in that regard.
XxRampage07xX
Member
Yeah, like I have said, it was my opinion and also a feeling that this game's score would be in that range. So yeah, my prediction was completely wrong and out of place. And personally, I would give this game a solid 8.5 score if what he said was true. There were both positives and negatives in this game, but to me those flaws didn't seem to be a big deal. Sadly, the press would definitely stress these problems in their reviews. And given that media has been harsh with The Order for a very long time, I will not be surprised to see this game not reviewed well. Goddamn, all the nuisances like "Next-gen this" or "Next-gen that" are driving me nuts
You should probably make that clearer by writing that as a single sentence rather separate bullet points, which is where the confusion is coming in - it looks like you're saying that about the game as a whole, not just encounter design. It would probably help if you qualified how you felt about SF's design to.
Same. The big thing this game has to nail is narrative. Especially in a campaign only game.
illmatic22
Banned
Yo Ready at Dawn. Your God of War games were dope, so I look forward to playing The Order real soon.
BiGBoSSMk23
A company being excited for their new game is a huge slap in the face to all the fans that liked their old games.
He compares it to Killzone because half of its appeal is being oddities within their respective genres, mechanically speaking.
The Order is to Uncharted and Gears what Killzone 2 was to Halo and COD... Sort of...
But I extended the comparison to story because it too has this very defined worldy aesthetic and lore ripe for the picking but the story feels very light to start.
I think the opener being up there with TLOU was kind of stretching it a bit.
If for nothing else but this, I'd like to say well done to Ready at Dawn.
That said I eagerly await the opinion of the masses when the game releases.
Always-honest
Banned
I personally can't wait for a finely crafted SP experience, after all the recent open world games with massive amounts of needless fluff, it'll be a welcome change. Got next Friday booked off and warned the girlfriend. Just need to decide whether to wear headphones or not.
PS. Hi Andrea and R@D! Good luck with the game.
PS. Hi Andrea and R@D! Good luck with the game.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
I might be getting confused so I apologize but weren't you the one with all the hyperbole filled impressions or was that someone else. I am just trying to follow the narrative because I don't understand how we go from "Great gameplay like GEARS" to "Killzone". If that wasn't you I apologize.
Lifejumper
Member
Killzone 2 was the best game in the series. So it isnt that bad imo.
ricardo_sousa11
Member
Just went to the store to pick it up, I had 50 store credit so all will be fine eitherway. I think the game will succeed, I'm very hyped, and Im sure I will have a blast playing it, even if it doesnt live up to the hype (or even if it does), I will sell it to get bloodborne next month (poor gamer 1st world problems). I believe the game will have similar pacing as MGS games, with big cutscenes.
To all the people skeptical, chill down people, some people will like it, some wont...even TLOU (which is one of the greatest games ever IMO) has some dislikes...so, reading amateur previews in this stage is self-destructive.
To all the people skeptical, chill down people, some people will like it, some wont...even TLOU (which is one of the greatest games ever IMO) has some dislikes...so, reading amateur previews in this stage is self-destructive.
BiGBoSSMk23
A company being excited for their new game is a huge slap in the face to all the fans that liked their old games.
You guys know how Killzone 2 is kind of an FPS cult hit because of its weightyness and hit detection and AI, etc?
That kind of thing.
It doesn't have incredibly complex level layouts either.
The Order, aside from the obvious, looks and feels very, very different from anything I've played.
It's kind of a very ornate museum piece of a Third Person Shooter.
...
Y'all mufuckas gotta play it, okay? It's not something you can accurately convey with words, not spoiling etc.
My main gripe is with the handling of the timid exposition and plot so far...
I never mentioned Gears.
It has presentation and production values unlike any other game. That's not hyperbole, that's just the way it struck me.
That kind of thing.
It doesn't have incredibly complex level layouts either.
The Order, aside from the obvious, looks and feels very, very different from anything I've played.
It's kind of a very ornate museum piece of a Third Person Shooter.
...
Y'all mufuckas gotta play it, okay? It's not something you can accurately convey with words, not spoiling etc.
My main gripe is with the handling of the timid exposition and plot so far...
I never mentioned Gears.
It has presentation and production values unlike any other game. That's not hyperbole, that's just the way it struck me.
Gameplay was ever a problem with Killzone games.
I just need a good narrative from The Order.
He kick the crap out of that ankle.I captured this from some of the footage I was watching. Some brutal shit in this game:
I think it was recieved well by virtue of looking really good and not being terrible from a gameplay perspective. The AI is good, I guess, to the extent that people tell you it's good. But as a game it isn't bad, but I wouldn't call it 'good'.
Hahah it's him. Kinda funny seeing such a quick shift in tone.
LookAtMeGo
Member
Aye, it was, but the story has always been serviceable at best for a FPS. Doesnt sound good to compare it similar with a story heavy, cinematic game like what The Order is trying to accomplish.
Well damn, that sounds great. That meaty and visceral feel is why I love Killzone 2.
No he is not taking about gameplay.
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