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[PJV3]

I hope they stick to their vision, they can't please everyone.

 

[AJLma]

Not really. You just kill-->die-->respawn and repeat on the same ~8 smallish maps forever. Most people who like that for some reason tend to stick to BF and COD now so there's really no need to have it in every single game with similar mechanics. Just play the 30 other TPS that have it.

I've got no beef with this game having no multiplayer, but your point is silly.

 

[Neuromancer]

It's interesting to see the reactions to this game and Titanfall, as they are almost polar opposites very different, singular visions.

Personally I'd take SP only over MP only any day of the week, but different strokes for different folks.

 

[Demon Ice]

Whenever I read entitled bitching like that VanWinkle kid is doing I begin to understand why society's view of "gamers" as a demographic is so negative. What a petulant little child.

You don't "have" to buy the game, idiot.

 

[Barack Lesnar]

4x MSAA with these netbook cpus and a low end gpu, but how?! /s

Impressive, I just hope it's like 12 hours or more. I think 12-15 is my bar for a game with no MP or co-op. 6-10 would just be too low, that's like a weekend of play.

 

[- J - D -]

It a massive resource hog, FXAA is less intensive.

That's because it blurs everything to shit.

 

[mrklaw]

So just his one game has spawned
- frame rate thread - is 30fps enough?
- resolution - when is 1080p not 1080p and artistic vision vs technical limitations
- SP without MP?

And now what will likely be a 'resolution vs image quality - which is more important?'

I think that is pretty much a clean sweep of technical discussions that can be had.


I vote image quality btw

 

[zod18]

Is 4xMSAA really necessary? Are the benefits enough to compensate for the high requirements?

 

[abtom]

"but it runs at 30fps so it sux balls"

"but black bars slaughtered my family and burned my crops"

 

[jabuseika]

4xMSAA, huh, this might actually look really good.

IQ>Resolution

 

[Dick Justice]

It a massive resource hog, FXAA is less intensive.

FXAA also blurs the screen.

 

[Leb]

I'm pretty surprised they went with such an expensive AA solution -- you'd think they'd be able to go full 1080 with, say, SMAA or some such.

 

[Projectjustice]

My vote goes to 4x MSAA . I had zero problems with letterboxing in games so far, and this looks more than fine:

Looks good, still hate those boarders.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

Can they really not run 4x at 1080? Im sure theyll get to that mark if they lock down to 30fps.

Later on perhaps but this is their first next gen game.

 

[Shinjiru]

I hope they stick to their original vision and keep the resolution at 1920x800.

 

[Dictator93]

Hey tech bros. How does MSAA compare to other AA methods.

It is good for geometry edges and if done a specific way, can also apply to transparencies. 4XMSAA is great.. especially in a renderer like this.

Isn't msaa awfully resource-hungry? I feel that SMAA T2X looks the same or better at MUCH less resource cost. At least it did in Crysis 3.

It is very expensive in deferred rendering games. Forward+ games like this should not break too much implementing it. In combo with a post processing AA like MSAA and a little TAA, this game could probably be one of the cleanest console games ever released.

Just hope they combine that MSAA with some PPAA and maybe some TAA for good measure (like one of the upper SMAA modes).

 

[Hypron]

MSAAx4? Nice! I'm currently playing through RE5 (again) on pc using exactly that and the game looks really clean.

4x MSAA with these netbook cpus and a low end gpu, but how?! /s

Impressive, I just hope it's like 12 hours or more. I think 12-15 is my bar for a game with no MP or co-op. 6-10 would just be too low, that's like a weekend of play.

Some Xbox 360/PS3 used MSAA as well, it's just been pretty rare in recent years because it doesn't work that well with games that use deferred rendering.

 

[TheKastorian]

Yup. I'm on #Team_4XMSAA, as well.

 

[Mdot]

Give me a great single player, story-driven campaign. I don't need some forced MP if that's not the focus.

 

[Kaako]

Yeah the IQ will look clean. Hoping they stick to their guns as well and true to their vision.

 

[Wereroku]

It a massive resource hog, FXAA is less intensive.

Isn't FXAA owned by Nvidia? I am not certain anyone is allowed to use that implementation without licensing if you are using competitor hardware.

 

[Terbinator]

IQ>Resolution

Pick one.

 

[Krusenstern]

Is 4xMSAA really necessary?

Good AA is never wrong.

 

[AJLma]

Is 4xMSAA really necessary? Are the benefits enough to compensate for the high requirements?

At 1080p, it makes a huge difference in IQ.

 

[Loudninja]

They should keep it like it is.

 

[ShOcKwAvE]

That's because it blurs everything to shit.

I get his point though. This generation there's several AA methods to use, so the choice of 4xMS seems odd. I'm not against it though.

 

[OverBlood 3]

There's some really idiotic people out there on that twitter.

 

[ShroudOfFate]

I really hope they keep to their vision and go with the letterboxed look instead of giving into the people whining about it "not being 1080p".

 

[Zophar]

Gonna be stunning. It's pretty clear they want this game to be *the* showpiece title for the new generation. 4xMSAA is gonna make this pretty, pretty, pretty.

I get his point though. This generation there's several AA methods to use, so the choice of 4xMS seems odd. I'm not against it though.

MSAA is still the highest quality option out there.

 

[Dawg]

The Order 1886 devs,

If you read this, don't mind that VanWinkle dude. Plenty of people still enjoy a good ol' SP game WITHOUT a silly and unnecessary MP mode.

 

[pa22word]

What's 4xMSAA? Some form of aliasing technique? Where have I seen it used before?

http://naturalviolence.webs.com/msaa.htm

You've seen it in Alan Wake on the 360 last gen, and probably a few others too, but most devs don't use it anymore because it's super expensive nowadays compared to post-processing filters like FXAA, MLAA, or SMAA both due to the inherent way MSAA works vs post AA and because of the way almost all engines today utilize deferred rendering in some way, which literally multiplies the performance cost with MSAA to untenable levels due to them having to apply MSAA passes through each individual rendering pipeline.

 

[jim2point0]

It a massive resource hog, FXAA is less intensive.

And blurry.

EDIT: beaten

FXAA also blurs the screen.

 

[Arcoril]

That VanWinkle fellow is downright rude.

He actually said nearly the exact same thing in another thread here. He made a baseless assumption about the game's length, didn't like his assumption, ran with it, and trashed the game because of it. He just can't let go.

I'm totally looking forward to a fantastic SP experience. Not every game needs MP.

 

[Piggus]

What's 4xMSAA? Some form of aliasing technique? Where have I seen it used before?

You've probably seen it because it's been around for many many years. Lol. I was using 8x MSAA back in like 2004 to have a perfectly jag-free GTAIII.

 

[Chinner]

although i guess its annoying that its lower res, at least we're not getting into situtation where its upscaled and looks fuzzy or stretched. m

 

[Wishmaster92]

1080p without any AA is still full of jaggies.

Not as much as 720p no aa, or with those awful aa methods that blur the whole damn image.

 

[Jigolo]

Damn, 4xMSAA? Very impressive.

I wonder...
Are their only options 1920x800 with 4xMSAA and 1920x1080 with no AA/cheaper AA?

Doubt it. They'll just use a lower AA. Killzone runs at 1080p and has a really clean IQ

 

[mrklaw]

I hate these guys for forcing vanwinkle to buy their game though. He doesn't sound happy about it at all, that really shouldn't be allowed.

 

[-griffy-]

Isn't FXAA owned by Nvidia? I am not certain anyone is allowed to use that implementation without licensing if you are using competitor hardware.

You must be thinking of TXAA.

 

[Juliet's 8½ Spirits]

1920x800 doesn't bother me at all, as long as the frame rate solid that is.
I'm counting down the day's for the embargo, can't wait

 

[Zombie James]

Ehh, hope they're using MSAA in combination with FXAA or SMAA. MSAA is good but on it's own it can miss things like transparencies and shader aliasing that post-processing AA could catch.

 

[LeBart]

Letterboxing is something you notice for the first 10 minutes and then completely forget about. Aliasing is in your face for the entire game.

They made the right decision.

 

[DieH@rd]

Dam 4xMSAA is kinda rare on consoles should be a clean IQ game.

Yes, incredibly clean, especially with all this subltle DOF

Is 4xMSAA really necessary?

Yeah. Look at this picture. It cleaned up everything except those metal support beams in top-left, and even that is barely noticeable.

MSAA is awesome, but it is resource intensive. Very little games used it on old gen. most picked 2X MSAA and later on MLAA/FXAA which can mess up texture quality.

 

[Lactose_Intolerant]

Need to show the physics, everything shown so far is just corridors.

 

[funkystudent]

I think they should make a game designed around the screens 99.999% of the audience uses so I hope they go full 16:9

 

[Terbinator]

What's 4xMSAA? Some form of aliasing technique? Where have I seen it used before?

In the God of games:

 

[Dictator93]

MSAA is still the highest quality option out there.*

* For reasonable geometry sub pixel samples on consoles.

There definitely combined solutions or things like SGSSAA which are just better.

But them using MSAA is awesome. I applaud them.

 

[walltowall]

Sooooo NOT really artistic choice???

Looks great either way though!

 

[andycapps]

Good shit. Glad they're going for 4X MSAA at the res they're targeting. I am hoping that co-op is there, I assumed it was there given that there are 4 characters. No multiplayer doesn't bother me.

 

[Domdev]

I really wish the "No multiplayer WHAAAAAH!" crowd would just shut up.

I find this crowd similar to the Titanfall "No single player WHAAAAAH!" crowd. I would much rather have a game that has a very good single or multiplayer component instead of a mediocre single and multiplayer component.