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The press reaction to USA's China travel ban...back in January

TheGreatYosh

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Yes. That's one of the many reasons why I hate the media. Trump should have done a full travel ban in early January, and the border should have been locked down well before this. Since that's why we voted for Trump in the first place.
 

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Yes. That's one of the many reasons why I hate the media. Trump should have done a full travel ban in early January, and the border should have been locked down well before this. Since that's why we voted for Trump in the first place.
Imagine if Trump had finished the wall, and closed all borders in January. Any town with a reported case gets lockdown. Absolute overreaction, he would have been slammed by the media.

But right now? We could be producing masks and ventilators in large numbers for the rest of the world.

I'm not saying this would have been a good idea, or even possible. I'm not even necessarily recommending it, because a] back seat driving, b] 20/20 hindsight, and c] Constitution.

But my point is more our broken media. With 20/20, with perfect vision... our best reaction quite possibly would have been one that the media destroyed Trump over, but would now allow us to be helping the world rather than struggling alongside them. Armchair experts with journalism degrees impacting policy through coordinated TDS.
 

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I think a bigger concern is media pushing the narrative that travel bans don’t work. It’s a virus you dumb fucks
Exactly. Yet at the same time are pushing the buzz term social distancing. The best social distancing is keeping virus carrying people out of the country.
 

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The world will forever be changed. Dare I say it, some kind of National Socialism, a whole new breed.
 

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I think a bigger concern is media pushing the narrative that travel bans don’t work. It’s a virus you dumb fucks
They already convinced a bunch of dumbfucks that a wall doesn't work because it isn't 100% effective. Might as well push the same logic on travel bans.
 

theekad

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How effective were the China travel restrictions? The quotes in the OP seem pretty even keeled...
 

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All those "journalists" should be fired... and actually all the news organizations they report for should be eradicated.
 
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How effective were the China travel restrictions? The quotes in the OP seem pretty even keeled...
Our cases all stem from super spreaders picking it up in Europe, so it evidently was very effective at preventing spread from the 1st wave. Cases in the US are 3rd wave, after Europe's 2nd wave.

If the rest of the world had been a little more "racist" and a little less bootlicky it would have stayed a Chinese problem.
 
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theekad

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Our cases all stem from super spreaders picking it up in Europe, so it evidently was very effective at preventing spread from the 1st wave. Cases in the US are 3rd wave, after Europe's 2nd wave.

If the rest of the world had been a little more "racist" and a little less bootlicky it would have stayed a Chinese problem.
Sources?

And if all of our cases were from “Europe’s 2nd wave” then how does that prove the effectiveness of travel restrictions from “China’s 1st wave”?
 
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infinitys_7th

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Sources?

And if all of our cases were from “Europe’s 2nd wave” then how does that prove the effectiveness of travel restrictions from “China’s 1st wave”?
Europe is the current epicenter, and people started showing symptoms a month ago, well after China had supposedly halted the outbreak in their country:


Although it originated in China, the country took aggressive action at the start of the outbreak, shutting down transportation in some cities and suspending public gatherings. Officials isolated sick people and aggressively tracked their contacts, and had a dedicated network of hospitals to test for the virus. The number of new infections reported in China has been declining, which indicated to WHO officials that transmission was slowing down — and that their containment measures were working.

Now, the WHO says, the epicenter of the pandemic is in Europe, which now has more new cases reported each day than China did at the height of its outbreak.
We started having our initial cases in Washington after Europe's outbreak escalated, so obviously (given the 2-4 week asymptomatic period) it went from China to Europe to the US. China was the first wave, Europe the second, and US is the third. Our travel restrictions against China put delayed us from being second wave. If Europe had done the same they would have been protected.
 

theekad

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Europe is the current epicenter, and people started showing symptoms a month ago, well after China had supposedly halted the outbreak in their country:




We started having our initial cases in Washington after Europe's outbreak escalated, so obviously (given the 2-4 week asymptomatic period) it went from China to Europe to the US. China was the first wave, Europe the second, and US is the third. Our travel restrictions against China put delayed us from being second wave. If Europe had done the same they would have been protected.
I don’t think you understand. If the first case of USA COVID-19 was already present and spreading in the states for weeks before travel restrictions were in place, and no restrictions were in place for all the infected people flying in from every other country in the world, then there really is no evidence that restricting travel from China on Feb. 1 had any real affect on “delaying” the virus’ presence over here.

I think if you read through what the actual epidemiologists are saying in the reports posted in the OP instead of relying on partisan sources, you’ll realize that it’s not “Trump derangement syndrome” to doubt the effectiveness of a policy that attempts to disrupt the movement of a virus from one point in a massively interconnected world.
 
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I don’t think you understand. If the first case of USA COVID-19 was already present and spreading in the states for weeks before travel restrictions were in place, and no restrictions were in place for all the infected people flying in from every other country in the world, then there really is no evidence that restricting travel from China on Feb. 1 had any real affect on “delaying” the virus’ presence over here.

I think if you read through what the actual epidemiologists are saying in the reports posted in the OP instead of relying on partisan sources, you’ll realize that it’s not “Trump derangement syndrome” to doubt the effectiveness of a policy that attempts to disrupt the movement of a virus from one point in a massively interconnected world.
Do you realise that they were essentially flying blind for months due to the CCP lying about the virus? Had information on the virus not been withheld, I've no doubt they would've acted sooner.
 
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I don’t think you understand. If the first case of USA COVID-19 was already present and spreading in the states for weeks before travel restrictions were in place, and no restrictions were in place for all the infected people flying in from every other country in the world, then there really is no evidence that restricting travel from China on Feb. 1 had any real affect on “delaying” the virus’ presence over here.

I think if you read through what the actual epidemiologists are saying in the reports posted in the OP instead of relying on partisan sources, you’ll realize that it’s not “Trump derangement syndrome” to doubt the effectiveness of a policy that attempts to disrupt the movement of a virus from one point in a massively interconnected world.
The pandemic hit the US after Europe, so clearly something slowed it down.
 

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Do you realise that they were essentially flying blind for months due to the CCP lying about the virus? Had information on the virus not been withheld, I've no doubt they would've acted sooner.
The bolded is probably true, though I’m not confident that there would have been any additional action from the federal government. We were still caught flat-footed once the seriousness of the virus was made clear by experts here and abroad.


The pandemic hit the US after Europe, so clearly something slowed it down.
Well, no. The first confirmed case in Italy was around the same time as Washington and they also shut down travel from China at the end of January.

“Clearly something slowed it down” is a statement based in assumptions - faulty probably - not evidence.
 
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The bolded is probably true, though I’m not confident that there would have been any additional action from the federal government. We were still caught flat-footed once the seriousness of the virus was made clear by experts here and abroad.
Nonsense. This is TDS. Anyone else would get the benefit of the doubt. The WHO was literally saying that the virus couldn't transmit from human to human based on CCP lies. How were they supposed to act if the WHO was downplaying it?
 

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Is calling everything TDS the Trumper mirror of the left calling everything fascist?

Warning signs were being blared by WHO as the President was saying “everything is under control” and no response to the virus’ potential spread here was even being formulated by the federal government.

Please expand your roster of news sources.
 
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Well, no. The first confirmed case in Italy was around the same time as Washington and they also shut down travel from China at the end of January.

“Clearly something slowed it down” is a statement based in assumptions - faulty probably - not evidence.
No, it's based on the fact that the major US infections lagged behind Europe by several weeks. It has only started popping up in most of the country in the past few weeks, with Europe as the source based on the strains.
 

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Is calling everything TDS the Trumper mirror of the left calling everything fascist?

Warning signs were being blared by WHO as the President was saying “everything is under control” and no response to the virus’ potential spread here was even being formulated by the federal government.

Please expand your roster of news sources.
Mate, you just said "though I’m not confident that there would have been any additional action from the federal government" and then unironically accused someone else of making a statement on likely faulty assumptions instead of evidence.
 

theekad

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No, it's based on the fact that the major US infections lagged behind Europe by several weeks. It has only started popping up in most of the country in the past few weeks, with Europe as the source based on the strains.
What do you mean by “major US infections”? Your “wave theory” doesn’t really hold up...



Again, first confirmed case and shutdown of travel from China aligns perfectly with Italy. What has lagged behind most is our capability to test large numbers of people.

And of course you’re missing the original point: the effectiveness, or lack thereof, of restricting travel from a single point in an interconnected world.

Mate, you just said "though I’m not confident that there would have been any additional action from the federal government" and then unironically accused someone else of making a statement on likely faulty assumptions instead of evidence.
I think you’ve got it twisted. A bad assumption would be that this administration would have pursued additional action with more warning considering that (this part you conveniently ignored): Warning signs were being blared by WHO as the President was saying “everything is under control” and no response to the virus’ potential spread here was even being formulated by the federal government.
 
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What do you mean by “major US infections”? Your “wave theory” doesn’t really hold up...



Again, first confirmed case and shutdown of travel from China aligns perfectly with Italy. What has lagged behind most is our capability to test large numbers of people.

And of course you’re missing the original point: the effectiveness, or lack thereof, of restricting travel from a single point in an interconnected world.



I think you’ve got it twisted. A bad assumption would be that this administration would have pursued additional action with more warning considering that (this part you conveniently ignored): Warning signs were being blared by WHO as the President was saying “everything is under control” and no response to the virus’ potential spread here was even being formulated by the federal government.
Please provide evidence and timelines of these supposed warning signs being blared by WHO. I seem to recall them downplaying the risks, comrade.
 

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Comrade T theekad what do you make of this article?


Specifically the quote from world renowned epidemiologist Michael T Osterholm:

 
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Please provide evidence and timelines of these supposed warning signs being blared by WHO. I seem to recall them downplaying the risks, comrade.
Don't worry, I've got your back T theekad . The WHO was vocally warning about the dangers of human to human transmission early and often after three months of obvious human to human transmission in China. In January they warned the world!



Oh, wait, no, they didn't.
 

theekad

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Please provide evidence and timelines of these supposed warning signs being blared by WHO. I seem to recall them downplaying the risks, comrade.
February 24:

But the key message that should give all countries hope, courage and confidence is that this virus can be contained.

Indeed, there are many countries that have done exactly that.

Outside China, there are now 2074 cases in 28 countries, and 23 deaths.

The sudden increases of cases in Italy, the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Republic of Korea are deeply concerning.

There’s a lot of speculation about whether these increases mean that this epidemic has now become a pandemic.

We understand why people ask that question.

WHO has already declared a public health emergency of international concern – our highest level of alarm – when there were less than 100 cases outside China, and 8 cases of human-to-human transmission.

Our decision about whether to use the word “pandemic” to describe an epidemic is based on an ongoing assessment of the geographical spread of the virus, the severity of disease it causes and the impact it has on the whole of society.

For the moment, we are not witnessing the uncontained global spread of this virus, and we are not witnessing large-scale severe disease or death.

Does this virus have pandemic potential? Absolutely, it has. Are we there yet? From our assessment, not yet.

February 26:

“View this the same as the flu.”

“We have this so well under control.”

“We’re going to be pretty soon at only 5 people.”

“The risk to the American people remains very low.” - President Trump

Seriously, please expand your news sources.
 

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Comrade T theekad what do you make of this article?


Specifically the quote from world renowned epidemiologist Michael T Osterholm:

Our relationship with China was strained, markets were rattled and the virus wasn’t contained just as the experts predicted. What’s your point...
 

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February 24:

But the key message that should give all countries hope, courage and confidence is that this virus can be contained.

Indeed, there are many countries that have done exactly that.

Outside China, there are now 2074 cases in 28 countries, and 23 deaths.

The sudden increases of cases in Italy, the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Republic of Korea are deeply concerning.

There’s a lot of speculation about whether these increases mean that this epidemic has now become a pandemic.

We understand why people ask that question.

WHO has already declared a public health emergency of international concern – our highest level of alarm – when there were less than 100 cases outside China, and 8 cases of human-to-human transmission.

Our decision about whether to use the word “pandemic” to describe an epidemic is based on an ongoing assessment of the geographical spread of the virus, the severity of disease it causes and the impact it has on the whole of society.

For the moment, we are not witnessing the uncontained global spread of this virus, and we are not witnessing large-scale severe disease or death.

Does this virus have pandemic potential? Absolutely, it has. Are we there yet? From our assessment, not yet.

February 26:

“View this the same as the flu.”

“We have this so well under control.”

“We’re going to be pretty soon at only 5 people.”

“The risk to the American people remains very low.” - President Trump

Seriously, please expand your news sources.
It's usually common courtesy to link your source.

What's wrong with what he said on the 24th?

What's the context for what he said on the 26th? I'd like to see these snippets in the context of the full statements.
 

theekad

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Oh man :messenger_tears_of_joy: I’ll think about replying once you’ve graduated from petty nonsense and actually bother reading.
 

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I think you’ve got it twisted. A bad assumption would be that this administration would have pursued additional action with more warning considering that (this part you conveniently ignored): Warning signs were being blared by WHO as the President was saying “everything is under control” and no response to the virus’ potential spread here was even being formulated by the federal government.
The same WHO that was basically saying, "nothing to worry about" before it started shouting about warning signs. Still not sure if they were just trying to play damage control for China or not, but they fucked up in their initial coverage of this thing and that really informed the delay in governments around the world.

It really wasn't until they officially called it a pandemic that most places started to take things seriously.
 

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WHO is sponsored by China, in their pockets.

Delay was in China interest no doubt. Once the world collapses as low as it will go, China will buy it. No destroyed infrastructure, no environmental damage, WW3 goes to CHINA!
 

theekad

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Are you not aware of the thread you're in? Did you read the OP? Maybe re-read the title, particularly the month it references.
Are you aware that two points can be discussed at one time?

The OP cites various articles sourcing experts in the field that travel restrictions would be ineffective in stopping the spread of the coronavirus

The idea from the right-leaning posters here - I’m assuming this is a frequent talking point in conservative/Trump media - is that Trump was ahead of the curve in late January and made a brave choice in restricting some travel from China. This isn’t backed by evidence, as I’ve already explained.

Second, this idea is somehow extended by Trump sycophants like matt404au to claim that Trump was always ahead of the curve and wasn’t caught flat footed as the virus spread in America.

But he was caught flat footed, consistently claiming we have it completely under control and there was “no risk” while the WHO was warning of a possible pandemic.

Is it that difficult to fathom that the guy from The Apprentice isn’t infallible?
 

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Are you aware that two points can be discussed at one time?

The OP cites various articles sourcing experts in the field that travel restrictions would be ineffective in stopping the spread of the coronavirus

The idea from the right-leaning posters here - I’m assuming this is a frequent talking point in conservative/Trump media - is that Trump was ahead of the curve in late January and made a brave choice in restricting some travel from China. This isn’t backed by evidence, as I’ve already explained.

Second, this idea is somehow extended by Trump sycophants like matt404au to claim that Trump was always ahead of the curve and wasn’t caught flat footed as the virus spread in America.

But he was caught flat footed, consistently claiming we have it completely under control and there was “no risk” while the WHO was warning of a possible pandemic.

Is it that difficult to fathom that the guy from The Apprentice isn’t infallible?
Oh so you're more interested in discussing politics and making assumptions about political leanings than the plain facts of the situation, got it.

They always come out of the woodwork...
 

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Sycophants: “The experts were wrong! Trump was right!”

Me: “Nah.”

Sycophants: “Stop discussing politics!”

Hah, good talk.