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The PS5 exclusive in development by Jade Raymond's studio Haven is an online GaaS
SLB1904
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no you don't know how to read. but it's a trend with Xbox fanboys. don't worry its normal
Hawking Radiation
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IbizaPocholo
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Developers of Original Assassin's Creed Game Working on New PlayStation Exclusive
Haven Entertainment Studios' Jade Raymond introduces some of the Assassin's Creed veterans on the team while discussing Haven's game.
gamerant.com
Speaking with GamesIndustry.biz, Raymond broke down some of the employees already hired to bring Haven's first game to life. Namely, she mentions key veterans from the Assassin's Creed franchise. This includes Raphael Lacoste, the franchise's art director through July 2021, as Haven's artistic director, writer Corey May as Haven's world director, AI programmer and gameplay lead Pierre-Francois Sapinski as Haven's head of production, and others further down the hierarchy. Then there's Raymond herself, who was a producer for the original Assassin's Creed and stayed with the franchise through 2014.
All in all, Haven has grown to over 50 developers since its founding in March. Its team is made up not just of Assassin's Creed Veterans, but also teammates from other Ubisoft properties like Rainbow Six Siege and Watch Dogs. Raymond's also previously discussed bringing over talent from Google following the closure of the Stadia team, which is part of why the studio is named Haven.
In talking about Haven, Raymond also revealed some details about the studio's goals looking toward its first project. Raymond notes that she sees three things that are "really exciting" that also make up pillars for Haven's approach to game development. Those pillars are "Games as a Social Platform," "Remix Generation" which implies how young people are more creatively involved and connected than ever before, and "Self-Expression" in a way that goes beyond user-generated content.
Characterizing these thoughts, Raymond describes a game concept that not only has depth but is also "designed to be owned by the fans from the start." She notes how Assassin's Creed was designed to be "owned" by future creative teams. Haven's IP will be designed to be owned not just by its developers but also by fans.
That's what Haven ultimately is. It's a group of friends who have worked together for years putting together a genuinely creative project. That seems like a rather special arrangement. Fans will just have to be patient to see what Haven puts together.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Hobbygaming
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If it has offline SP and looks good I'm in, if it's always connected/gaas I'm out
I'm a simple man
I'm a simple man
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
I'm interested in Jade Raymon's gas.
ToTTenTranz
Banned
From this interview it sounds like they're trying to do a Roblox wanabe...Developers of Original Assassin's Creed Game Working on New PlayStation Exclusive
Haven Entertainment Studios' Jade Raymond introduces some of the Assassin's Creed veterans on the team while discussing Haven's game.
Speaking with GamesIndustry.biz, Raymond broke down some of the employees already hired to bring Haven's first game to life. Namely, she mentions key veterans from the Assassin's Creed franchise. This includes Raphael Lacoste, the franchise's art director through July 2021, as Haven's artistic director, writer Corey May as Haven's world director, AI programmer and gameplay lead Pierre-Francois Sapinski as Haven's head of production, and others further down the hierarchy. Then there's Raymond herself, who was a producer for the original Assassin's Creed and stayed with the franchise through 2014.
All in all, Haven has grown to over 50 developers since its founding in March. Its team is made up not just of Assassin's Creed Veterans, but also teammates from other Ubisoft properties like Rainbow Six Siege and Watch Dogs. Raymond's also previously discussed bringing over talent from Google following the closure of the Stadia team, which is part of why the studio is named Haven.
In talking about Haven, Raymond also revealed some details about the studio's goals looking toward its first project. Raymond notes that she sees three things that are "really exciting" that also make up pillars for Haven's approach to game development. Those pillars are "Games as a Social Platform," "Remix Generation" which implies how young people are more creatively involved and connected than ever before, and "Self-Expression" in a way that goes beyond user-generated content.
Characterizing these thoughts, Raymond describes a game concept that not only has depth but is also "designed to be owned by the fans from the start." She notes how Assassin's Creed was designed to be "owned" by future creative teams. Haven's IP will be designed to be owned not just by its developers but also by fans.
That's what Haven ultimately is. It's a group of friends who have worked together for years putting together a genuinely creative project. That seems like a rather special arrangement. Fans will just have to be patient to see what Haven puts together.
Duchess
Member
She does look rather amazing for 46..!
Probably has a picture stashed in her attic.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
This is a smart move.
Many of the leading multiplayer games on the market right now feel like they could be toppled by a AAA developer who understands why people love those games. Roblox 2.0 makes so much sense.
Cyber_hunter026
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DangerDiabolik
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GaaS, FPS, subscription services... Jimbo knows his audience.
Or should I say, Jimbo knows his audience will blindly follow whatever he does.
Or should I say, Jimbo knows his audience will blindly follow whatever he does.
Shits_McGiggles
Member
Is Jade actually a good producer/leader, or have games been successfully completed in spite of her leadership? It seems like a lot of her projects after Ubisoft have failed.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
What I love about this is it teaches us to have more respect for games in general because it's no longer a popular talking point to use to bash another fanbase over the head with.
This game could be incredible for all we know. It being a service game isn't at all evidence that it won't be good.
Unless people forgot, Sunset Overdrive by Insomniac was pitched as a live service game that would evolve also.
This game could be incredible for all we know. It being a service game isn't at all evidence that it won't be good.
Unless people forgot, Sunset Overdrive by Insomniac was pitched as a live service game that would evolve also.
Umbasaborne
Banned
Its like Lincoln used to say “if its gaas, then its ass”
Dr. Claus
Banned
More like Jim knows the lowest common denominator dont’ do research and have the foresight of a goldfish.
Buggy Loop
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I would say she was lucky to even be participating in the golden age of Ubisoft Montreal when it was oozing with talent and money without any competitors to poach their talent pool nearby. Putting directors on a pedestal when it’s such a big team that has to contribute their best is always something I found cringe, even Miyamoto and so on.
Bo_Hazem
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Chose (good news) since this topic was posted. Would it be good or bad? Don't know, but cautiously optimistic.
Sosokrates
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Depsite all these new online sony games. People will probably stick with fortnite, pubg, cod,fifa + GTA online.
Dr. Claus
Banned
Everything in development at Sony is GaaS
Ironic how its vomitting when Sony does it, but you seem to love to defend Xbox when *they* do the same thing (and have for nearly a decade now).
KingGhidorah
Banned
GAAS is the future for PlayStation, Xbox and PC games
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
The best GAAS game of 2022 will be on Switch. Splatoon 3.
If it's made by people that just want to create fun gameplay, and enhance that with regular updates and content, fun special events that don't demand you attend but add life to the game for 2 years, then it's a great thing.
If it's made by people that study analytics and utilize data to determine retention rates and the psychology of effective manipulation, monetization, and attendance capture, then it's an abomination.
I guess we'll see which version we end up with from PS games.
If it's made by people that just want to create fun gameplay, and enhance that with regular updates and content, fun special events that don't demand you attend but add life to the game for 2 years, then it's a great thing.
If it's made by people that study analytics and utilize data to determine retention rates and the psychology of effective manipulation, monetization, and attendance capture, then it's an abomination.
I guess we'll see which version we end up with from PS games.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Yuck. How many fucking GaaS games do we need from Sony.
This means all three studios they partnered with last year are making GaaS games.
- Ex-Treyarch devs
- Ex-Bungie Devs
- Jade Raymond studio
Add in Bungie's new IP, TLOU Factions 2 and we have 5 Gaas Games already. We know from Job listings that GG was making a GaaS game. Thats six.
This still leaves us with 4 more GaaS games currently in dev since Jim Ryan said they are going to have 10 GaaS games out by 2026.
I wanted Sony to diversify their portofilio but this is insane. They should stick with what they know best. 2-3 GaaS games max. Their studios already take forever to release games. They only have like five AAA studios left anyway. If ND and GG are already working on GaaS games then when can we expect single player next gen games from them? In 2027? Who are the other four studios working on GaaS games? We only have Bend, Sucker Punch, SSM and Insomniac left. Are they all making GaaS games too?
This means all three studios they partnered with last year are making GaaS games.
- Ex-Treyarch devs
- Ex-Bungie Devs
- Jade Raymond studio
Add in Bungie's new IP, TLOU Factions 2 and we have 5 Gaas Games already. We know from Job listings that GG was making a GaaS game. Thats six.
This still leaves us with 4 more GaaS games currently in dev since Jim Ryan said they are going to have 10 GaaS games out by 2026.
I wanted Sony to diversify their portofilio but this is insane. They should stick with what they know best. 2-3 GaaS games max. Their studios already take forever to release games. They only have like five AAA studios left anyway. If ND and GG are already working on GaaS games then when can we expect single player next gen games from them? In 2027? Who are the other four studios working on GaaS games? We only have Bend, Sucker Punch, SSM and Insomniac left. Are they all making GaaS games too?
StealthGoblin
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- Santa Monica are working on at least 2 games.
- Sucker Punch are working on at least 2 games.
- Guerilla are working on at least 2 games.
- Insomniac are working on at least 3 games.
- Naughty Dog have at least 3 on the go.
- Firesprite have at least 3 on the go.
- Bluepoint are rumoured to be working on two releases.
- Bend have a new IP.
- PixelOpus are working on a new game.
Partners
- From Software are rumoured to be working on a PlayStation studios game.
- Deviation games are working on a new IP.
- Haven are working on a new IP
- Kojima Productions are rumoured to be working on a PlayStation Studios game.
- Firewalk are working on a new IP.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
All we know is that she gets hired by the most successful companies on planet earth quickly and repeatedly.
She's been employed by bigger players, more consistently, than Antonio Brown has in the NFL. Antonio Brown is a good WR.
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AncientOrigin
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People saying Gaas is bad never played Path of exile.That game is outstanding and a complete game with huge content which gets constantly new content.I only bought premium stastaps for a few dollars that’s all.Sony is smart they won’t make an mobile phone like Gaas Game.people should atleast wait and see and decide after instead saying pass or doa.Be positive 
And yes I vote good news.Who knows maybe it will be an amazing game like path of Exile maybe something like Dragons Dogma which gets constantly new monsters quests that would be like a dream.
And yes I vote good news.Who knows maybe it will be an amazing game like path of Exile maybe something like Dragons Dogma which gets constantly new monsters quests that would be like a dream.
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
GaaS should be PS/PC day one.
What would change? GaaS was shit before the Bungie acquisition, and is still shit after the Bungie acquisition.
Dr. Claus
Banned
People saying Gaas is bad never played Path of exile.That game is outstanding and a complete game with huge content which gets constantly new content.I only bought premium stastaps for a few dollars that’s all.Sony is smart they won’t make an mobile phone like Gaas Game.people should atleast wait and see and decide after instead saying pass or doa.Be positive
Path of Exile was a finished game with tons of content that moved to GAAS content.
Much different from a game that started as a GAAS from the outset. Every last GAAS game released over the past 5 years have been half finished, poorly thought out games that take *years* to reach the same amount of content as any normal non-GAAS game.
Dr. Samuel Hayden
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PS5 Architect Mark Cerny to Help on Haven Studios' Inclusive and Caring Online Game
Will also launch on PC
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Shits_McGiggles
Member
That sounds like a false equivalency, honestly. The hiring process in the corporate world is a clusterfuck of corporate politics, "hype," and general incompetence. Jade Raymond is her own brand, and even though her success post Ubisoft is questionable at best, apparently her stardom in the industry is enough to get her employed repeatedly.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Yeah been saying from the moment Sony put that slide up about GAAS/"off console" releases.. GAAS = day one PS/PC/Mobile depending on gaming.
lastmessiah
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"Inclusive and Caring Online Game"
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
No shade on you at all, but ask yourself why you felt the need to even ask that question in the first place.
AncientOrigin
Member
Hopefully Sony will release a finished or nearly finished game with lots of content.
Shits_McGiggles
Member
Because she jumps around from company to company, setting up completely brand new studios with very little to show for it?
Why do you think I felt the need to even ask that question?
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Hitchyhero
Banned
So MS is going single player big games with monthly subscriptions on Gamepass, meanwhile Sony is pivoting to GAAS multiplayer games.
I much prefer Microsoft's direction. I get that they have the Cod franchise but they have a lot of studios that arnt developing GAAS games. If Sony is rumoured to be making 10, than no thanks.
I much prefer Microsoft's direction. I get that they have the Cod franchise but they have a lot of studios that arnt developing GAAS games. If Sony is rumoured to be making 10, than no thanks.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
So either Ubisoft, EA, Sony, and Google all believe she's a talented creative manager or...
Message board gamers, with zero experience in game development, are well suited to know her value because they Googled her Wikipedia work history.
I guess theoretically both are possible.
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