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Wamb0wneD

Member
You drank too much kool-aid if you believe treating others with respect is toxic.

You didn't treat me with respect at all for fucking sake. All you do is making assumptions and jump to baseless conclusions from there and then ignoring me when I call out your BS. Your schtick is toxic as fuck. Just because it was encouraged by some mods doesn't mean it's OK.
 

Symphonia

Banned
This entire situation is messed up. I still respect NeoGAF as a site, but the aftermath of this sexual assault claim has been handled rather poorly. Do you (EviLore) intend to release a statement or are you going to brush it under the carpet and hope it goes away? Because it won’t. This is a serious matter that needs to come to a resolve, one way or another. One way of not doing this is removing Off-Topic as a form of discouraging discussion of politics. Politics played no part in what has happened. By removing Off-Topic and banning political debate, you’re ruining the experience for those you claim to care about - the community.

I will be staying, of course, as NeoGAF is my source for gaming news and discussion. But it became so much more over my years here. It became a place to discuss movies and TV. It became a place to open up about my mental health. It became a place for me to come out and embrace my sexuality. All of that is gone now, and all because of this. I don’t see the correlation between the two, but maybe there’s more going on behind closed doors. I don’t know. I just feel like removing Off-Topic is damaging the community, rather than improving it. But that’s just my two cents.

Good to see NeoGAF back, anyway.
 

bon

Member
I can't in good conscience patronize this site while Tyler is the owner. I haven't posted much in recent years anyway because GAF has become increasingly less fun to post on. Frankly, there's no shortage of online gaming communities that are just as good if not better. Identifying yourself with one specific community to the point of knowingly supporting a sexual predator is insane. GAF isn't worth it.

To the cool people I've spoken to here over the years (if any are left): It's been fun. I hope we'll cross paths again on other sites.

I'm outta here.
 

Headhunter

Neo Member
I appreciate you released a statement.

I wont comment about my true feelings on the matter. I just hope we all take the time to reflect on our actions, and try to do what is good.

Very true. I think all parties have to calm down, and then we have a chance to begin a fair and non-heated discussion.

@EviLore Thank you for the statement!
 

Springy

Member
Glad it's back because I wasn't around over the weekend and I'd really like a permaban, because it roils my stomach to even be posting on this board.
 

ec0ec0

Member
Evilore, is there going to be a lawsuit? Because if what you say is true, it needs to be proven without doubt.

I never called you or the accuser any names or jumped to conclusions because this is an "ongoing" situation. But it really needs closure, both for you and the community at large.

i know that this isn't going to get answered, but i may as well quote it.
 

dlauv

Member
The screechy liberals were annoying to read but were almost always morally correct, I'd find. Until the "with us or against us" campaign involving the women coming out with info on their abusers. Like, I have no problem giving a victim claim the benefit of the doubt, but I'm not going to go all in on the accused without further evidence. That gave me election flashbacks.

I guess that puts me in the tone-policing liberal category (although they were tone-policing too, now that I think about it "not enough" vs "too much"), but I'd often find outrage and just post it to friends out of context for a laugh -- mostly Amir0x before "the fall." The seeming hyperbole in internet posts in OT was astounding at times, but I'm sure some of its vigor was attained either through admirable (albeit not enviable) amounts of empathy or real world experience.
 

shoelacer

Banned
Just because the people don't have the political herewithall to understand the difference between liberal scolding and actual far left politics, let alone the language skills to articulate it, doesn't mean their wrong.

OT was Dracula's Castle and if you understand what that means you understand what I'm saying

fair enough. don't get me wrong i think the tone around 'identity politics' or whatever one wants to call it seemed like more of a competition as to who could be more woke than one of actual concern most of the time but as far as actual policy it's not as extreme as some make it out to be
 

sephi22

Member
lol gaf was centerist left at best. you pussbabbies should rub elbows with some anarcho-commies if you wanna see who's really bout it bout it.
If GAF was centrist left, then:

Joe Rogan wouldn't be labeled Alt Right
H3H3 wouldn't be labeled Alt Right
Theneedledrop wouldn't be labeled Alt Right
 

jester_

Member
 
I will back this up as one of the many people who argued passionately and respectfully against this guy in various abortion threads over the years. Dissenting views have always been tolerated, you just had to not be a total dick about it and willing to engage in actual discussion if you wanted to have your opinion heard.

I never went on gaming side much but have been on GAF OT pretty regularly for nearly a decade. Passionate and respectful discussion paired with zero tolerance for assholes and bigots is what defined GAF OT for me. It's what I loved about it and it seemed like a rare, if not unique, place of discussion on the Internet. I guess I'll check out gaming side and somberly wait to see what comes next.
I can also back it up. Abortion threads in particular always had a variety of people who were pro-life, pro-choice, and many who had more complicated feelings that aren't so easily described by either label or who didn't quite know themselves how they felt about it, due to how complicated an issue it can be. And while of course there were strong disagreements in this threads, as long as someone was being respectful, regardless of where they stood on the issue or how much someone disagreed with them, nothing ever happened and I have seen a variety of familiar faces in this thread who represent those different views.

Dissenting views were never the problem. Only being a dick was. And abortion threads in particular are really a perfect example of that. I can't remember anyone getting banned for their views in those threads or anything of the sort, as long as they were respectful. It simply didn't happen. Where you stood on those issues didn't determine anything. Only whether you were able to respect other people or not, regardless of their views. Anything else is a complete mischaracterization.
 

Undead Unicorn

Neo Member
Clinton was a decent Presidential candidate despite her flaws, as was Bernie.

Well I was excepting I'mWithHer post here, so I'll shut up even I take issue with Clinton being decent whatsoever (her imperialism vastly surpassed that of Trump even to the point the Iran deal would have been fucked over even sooner) and not just being better compared to Trump.

Politics isn't allowed here anymore and this was more just to dunk on for community tolerance post if that was the case.
 
I watched the initial outrage and chaos while shaking my head. Some people jumped the gun way too soon, but then admin made terrible mistakes in trying to censor the discussion. Yeah, that would go well...
Especially stupid in hindsight with the statement regarding the sexual misconduct ending up being pretty lackluster. Just saying it isn't true doesn't make much sense either as obviously something happened.


However, the fact that the two people involved were able to reconcile from that drunken incident and even becoming a couple sometime after, tells me the issue was (supposedly) resolved between the two and he hopefully made amends. Despite her post making not all that much sense, I still support her for making it public after all as maybe he should have had reflected from it more (as he sees no wrongdoing on his part, similar to the ass grab incident. Not too bad in context either but being stubborn about it gives it a whole new angle). I really, really don't want to come across as trivializing it, but there simply has to be more for me to freak out. At least not with his forum being moderated so strictly regarding sexism etc. so I have to assume he's at least trying to be a good person?
Maybe more women will come out against him now though, we'll see. Serial misbehavior and/or sexual assault can easily change my stance on who I give add-revenue money...


I'm not sure yet about the new OT. I have to see how it looks like once it comes back. I don't even see how it is related that much. I would also like to see statements of the former mods, if being harassed by users (and not the sexual misconduct story) was truly the main force behind leaving.
Depending on how limited the topics will be, it would be a shame as the heavy moderation removed so many far right hate-speech elements. When you read the comments on other websites of people who cheerfully celebrated gaf burning down, you can get a feel for the kind of scum that was excluded from the forum here.

On the other hand, if this incident manages to also purge the left extremists from gaf (either by change in moderation or the current account suicides/moving to other places), it will be a change for the better.



Having said all that. I'm only interested in the big gaf community (under good moderation) on a non-shitty website. I don't have any responsibility for the admin staff here nor a specific website/brand.
So I will go where the people go, if they stay here, fine. If not, give me the link to the website please.
 

Koopatrol

Member
If GAF was centrist left, then:

Joe Rogan wouldn't be labeled Alt Right
H3H3 wouldn't be labeled Alt Right
Theneedledrop wouldn't be labeled Alt Right

Pretty much. TheNeedleDrop one was the craziest one since he generally seems pretty progressive.
 

kess

Member
Watching a thoughtful farewell post like ClayKavalier's get deleted immediately really speaks ill of the future of this place.
 
Serious question: why are so many requesting bans ? Can't you just not come ? Why make a show of exiting ? So weird .



I miss NBA gaf . Celtics play tomorrow please bring it back .
 

Crom

Junior Member
I can't in good conscience patronize this site while Tyler is the owner. I haven't posted much in recent years anyway because GAF has become increasingly less fun to post on. Frankly, there's no shortage of online gaming communities that are just as good if not better. Identifying yourself with one specific community to the point of knowingly supporting a sexual predator is insane. GAF isn't worth it.

To the cool people I've spoken to here over the years (if any are left): It's been fun. I hope we'll cross paths again on other sites.

I'm outta here.

It is a he said / she said situation. I am not going to judge without facts and jump to conclusions. Just glad the site is back up
 
If GAF was centrist left, then:

Joe Rogan wouldn't be labeled Alt Right
H3H3 wouldn't be labeled Alt Right
Theneedledrop wouldn't be labeled Alt Right

Pretty much. TheNeedleDrop one was the craziest one since he generally seems pretty progressive.

the dude literally got caught running a side channel with alt-right shit

some of ya'll stay wondering why people here came down so hard on boogie, without realizing how things like white surpemacy work for the marginalized: you don't get to ride the fence. you're either against that shit or by default playing ball with it, and when your concern is literally the feelings of people abiding/co-signing others advocating ethnostates & genocide, that's some pretty bad moral dyslexia you have going.
 
So this means that not every topic will be 50 pages of posters accusing others of being racist / sexist / homophobic / transphobic / a nazi / alt-right?

Fucking fantastic.

Fair play, Evilore, you've come back swinging with the right solution. It's the people who do the above who jumped to conclusions about the allegations against you, and it's good to see you want to stamp that out so we can focus on talking about fucking video games again.

I'm completely for equal rights, LGBTQ, feminism... but the militant attitude on this forum was fucking ridiculous and actually worked against the causes that some posters believed they were promoting.

I'm excited for the future of NeoGAF.
 

TBiddy

Member
Depending on how limited the topics will be, it would be a shame as the heavy moderation removed so many far right hate-speech elements. When you read the comments on other websites of people who cheerfully celebrated gaf burning down, you can get a feel for the kind of scum that was excluded from the forum here.

On the other hand, if this incident manages to also purge the left extremists from gaf (either by change in moderation or the current account suicides/moving to other places), it will be a change for the better.

I think this is pretty spot on. Noone should accept racism or other forms of hate on a forum, but there was a hostile atmosphere at times in OT. If you weren't 100% onboard with the majority opinion, you were a fascist, a Trump-lover or a bigot. At the very least, you could expect the dogpiling.
 

Link

The Autumn Wind
Well I was excepting I'mWithHer post here, so I'll shut up even I take issue with Clinton being decent whatsoever (her imperialism vastly surpassed that of Trump even to the point the Iran deal would have been fucked over even sooner) and not just being better compared to Trump.

Politics isn't allowed here anymore and this was more just to dunk on for community tolerance post if that was the case.
That you can actually say this with a straight face after the last 9 months, I don't even know what to say.
 

ShogunX

Member
I can't in good conscience patronize this site while Tyler is the owner. I haven't posted much in recent years anyway because GAF has become increasingly less fun to post on. Frankly, there's no shortage of online gaming communities that are just as good if not better. Identifying yourself with one specific community to the point of knowingly supporting a sexual predator is insane. GAF isn't worth it.

To the cool people I've spoken to here over the years (if any are left): It's been fun. I hope we'll cross paths again on other sites.

I'm outta here.

The hyperbole from some people is frankly ridiculous.

Sexual predator, sex offender, rapist, paedophile are just some of the stupid shit people have resorted to so far. Fair fucks if you don't like the handling of the situation and want to move on but jumping on your high horse acting holier than thou is pathetic.

The fact that they hooked up a few months down the line speaks volumes.
 
This forum is dead, you can already see the shift of viewpoint in display.

It's been a good few years but please ban me. Don't care for all the bigotry over here.

Peace out and hope I'll see the worthwhile posters someplace else.
 

Syder

Member
If GAF was centrist left, then:

Joe Rogan wouldn't be labeled Alt Right
H3H3 wouldn't be labeled Alt Right
Theneedledrop wouldn't be labeled Alt Right
  • Joe Rogan says dumb shit, he's isn't Alt-Right but he's a pseudo-intellectual that plays up to his Right-Wing viewers
  • People don't like H3H3 defending PDP and unironically using terms like 'SJW'
  • Theneedledrop literally has a side-channel dedicated to pandering to the Alt-Right
 

Champion

Member
Not just the owner. Baffeling amount of users who now openly advocate to disregard a possible victim of sexual assault, despite Evilore's demeanor and history, because they just want to talk about Games. Can you imagine this in the NeoGAF of two weeks ago?
I personally cannot because I usually just lurk gaming community threads and post in threads on niche titles while apparently being unaware of the nonsense happening on this forum. But I imagine many of the members who left(and some that are still here) can.

It seems like the racism, sexual assault, and other nonsense has been well documented for quite some time and people just turned a blind eye to it or downplayed it. And for what? To talk about gaming and other hobbies...as if you couldn't do that somewhere else. That's shameless and disgusting behavior. Anyone that knew about this stuff and continued to support Tyler and this site are just as much of a scumbag as he is and are cosigning the behavior imo.

I'm grabbing some links from threads I frequently visited and I'm out because I dont want to be associate with this and I imagine many other don't want to be either.

GAF is done and rightfully so.
 

Crom

Junior Member
So this means that not every topic will be 50 pages of posters accusing others of being racist / sexist / homophobic / transphobic / a nazi / alt-right?

Fucking fantastic.

Fair play, Evilore, you've come back swinging with the right solution. It's the people who do the above who jumped to conclusions about the allegations against you, and it's good to see you want to stamp that out so we can focus on talking about fucking video games again.

I'm completely for equal rights, LGBTQ, feminism... but the militant attitude on this forum was fucking ridiculous and actually worked against the causes that some posters believed they were promoting.

I'm excited for the future of NeoGAF.


Hahaha! So true. Amen to that.
 
Can I request a perma ban please.

After reading up every I can on this event, I find Evilore's actions on all acounts quite discusting.

And GAF with no political or social discussion and now secret modding takes away the only thing that made it unique.

It was fun but the GAF I know is dead.
 

Undead Unicorn

Neo Member
fair enough. don't get me wrong i think the tone around 'identity politics' or whatever one wants to call it seemed like more of a competition as to who could be more woke than one of actual concern most of the time but as far as actual policy it's not as extreme as some make it out to be

Utterly agreed.
 

HowZatOZ

Banned
I think what is most disgusting is just how head-in-the-sand many people are on this situation and the situations prior that are only now being discovered by the public. You've got a mod who has been convicted for child pornography and had access to a website that doesn't filter age, and now the website's creator accused of sexual harassment not once but seemingly a few times now. This is just utterly fucking disgusting and to see people openly defend such behaviour is just as disgusting despite those same people ramping up efforts to fight against such misogyny and GamerGate bullshit.

You people fought and fought for women, LGBTQI and the black culture to be a part of the world's biggest industry, gaming, yet are now throwing away what you fought for because you want to think only of your precious games. Communities fracture, and this one has definitely fractured beyond repair. But they repair not on the original site but on others like Slaent and Waypoint, where discussions can actually be had and moderation is only necessary when there is a right to be moderated.

Maybe GamerGate did win in the end, because for all the effort we have done to make this gaming industry inclusive and open to whoever the hell wants to enjoy video games, we throw it all down the drain to somehow shield a man who is now showing a real pattern of sexual harassment behaviour. That is the real loss here. You fucked up GAF community. You really fucked up.
 

Mahadev

Member
If GAF was centrist left, then:

Joe Rogan wouldn't be labeled Alt Right
H3H3 wouldn't be labeled Alt Right
Theneedledrop wouldn't be labeled Alt Right


Maybe many gaffers like most people in the country are actually oblivious to what's really left or right and since the political landscape is a dumpster fire they end up accusing people they disagree with of supporting extremes, which is what you're doing too btw. That has nothing to do with their ideology though, you figure out the ideology of a group based on the policies and representatives they support, not their stupid accusations and strawman arguments they make.
 

Grzi

Member
Always knew you were a creepy rapist dude Evilore. Wasn't a hard thing to figure out, but your travel logs seriously diminished my desire to continue posting here. You're a terribly insecure person and your attempts at confident behavior didn't fool anybody, just made you look like a terrible dick. You're basically the Martin Shkreli of gaming forums. And now this. Fuck you, you piece of shit.

I never stopped using adblock on this site.

Ban me please.
 

Lakitu

st5fu
A lot of these account suicides are completely impulsive. So is this the point where neogaf splinters off into several different forums with none of them reaching anywhere near to what you might expect them too.

Come on people, don't throw away this community. It has had its problems and toxicity but that is everywhere and I don't think it's s big enough reason to close the OT temporarily.

The place is not about one man but a large community. Whatever is happening against Evilore, it's nothing to do with that. The thought of throwing it away doesn't sit with me.
 

RSP

Member
Here I was thinking NeoGAF was actually down for maintenance.

Looking forward to having my OT threads back.
 

MBison

Member
I think this is pretty spot on. Noone should accept racism or other forms of hate on a forum, but there was a hostile atmosphere at times in OT. If you weren't 100% onboard with the majority opinion, you were a fascist, a Trump-lover or a bigot. At the very least, you could expect the dogpiling.

This.

I've thought for a long time there should be two OT forums. One for politics only and one for everything else. Seriously an off topic forum doesn't need a new post for every Huffpost headline. I enjoy reading about people's opinions on movies or tv shows or some gadget but the dozens of Trump posts you had to weed through to get there was getting tiresome.
 

Mooreberg

Member
It might be slightly more efficient to log out and not return than go on a tirade and request a ban. Nobody cares that you are leaving.
 
If GAF was centrist left, then:

Joe Rogan wouldn't be labeled Alt Right
H3H3 wouldn't be labeled Alt Right
Theneedledrop wouldn't be labeled Alt Right
This right here is an interesting one. Since the article itself never claimed any such thing. Just that he associated with people who did toe those lines, such as Sargon of Akkad. And his defenses for associating with such people ended up being super flimsy. He knew exactly who he was, but camped for him to be unbanned on Twitter and shit anyway.

But that aside, it's definitely interesting how this whole "alt right" thing became a talking point in that thread, since that was never the main problem to begin with and half the article was about his association with people like Sargon and the Amazing Atheist and stuff, which was barely addressed anywhere and people tried to sweep under the rug just like he did and refused to admit the problem was anything other than just him being accused of being "alt right." Like you're doing here. Just constructing your own narrative, when that was never the problem to begin with. But it's all the people who defended him could talk about--how we was accused of being "alt-right' (which the original article never did either way--and ignoring everything else. That's what concerned me about that thread.

And H3H3 isn't someone I'd go near either now. Nothing to do with being "alt-right" or whatever. Again, a complete strawman. The stuff about him gaslighting a victim of sexual harassment who opened up to her and then even after his "apology" there being screens and shit of him doubling down on that stuff and despite his apology, saying in fact that he still doesn't believe any of that, completely undermining the apology and proving that he was in fact full of shit all along.

And then there was all the stuff about him going after the WSJ guy before that, when he turned out to be innocent of what H3H3 accused him off, when he tried to just sweep it under the rug and still act like he was right all along the whole time and "just didn't have enough real, iron-clad proof" after-all, contrary to his initial claims. And that proof never did end up coming... But he still insisted he was right, and just deleted everything and tried to bottle it all up as if it didn't happen, and as if he didn't try to essentially mobilize his entire fanbase against some guy who worked for the WSJ who turned out to be innocent of what he accused him of. Doesn't work that way (at least it shouldn't, but alas...). Whether he's alt-right or whatever is just a complete strawman, completely beside the point, and has nothing to do with anything.

He's still someone who I want nothing to do with and cannot support for reasons such as that, nothing to do with some strawman of him being alt-right or whatever. Which you'd understand if you took the time to read those threads on the subject in good faith, but they're all gone now, so alas...
 
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