So basically this is a prequel to how we currently "fight" climage change. Everyone was aware about it, change had to be made before its too late, point of no return yadayada...but it wasnt enough because people didn't want to lose comfort and corporations didn't want to lose profits.
Are we that daft to doom ourselves so easily?
So basically this is a prequel to how we currently "fight" climage change. Everyone was aware about it, change had to be made before its too late, point of no return yadayada...but it wasnt enough because people didn't want to lose comfort and corporations didn't want to lose profits.
Are we that daft to doom ourselves so easily?
I try to be optimistic about it, but news like these make it tough to do so. Can't even blame just greedy corporations or politicians. We are way too used to a comfy lifestyle without thinking about the consequences.
Never underestimate greed and human stupidity.
Thanks for explanation. Always was aware that antibiotics build resistance so I rarely used them but wasn't aware just how they get stronger and more resistant until recently.Well, yes and no. We always knew the resistance would develop and that we'd lose them eventually, but in the meantime we likely saved billions of lives. Once it's gone we'll be left where we started off provided we don't find a replacement. Climate change is going to make things much worse than how we started off if we do absolutely nothing about it, and it will leave the rest of the ecosystem irreparably damaged. That's not the case with antibiotics, it's more like a non-renewable resource running out. We'll miss it dearly, but it's not like it will end civilisation or anything.
The same mental and institutional blocks are definitely in play though. If it's any consolation, fossil fuels are easier to replace and we're further along in doing it. The post-antibiotic era is likely inevitable, runaway climate change isn't yet.
But in the end, nature will evolve I guess and find a way to kill us.
I try to be optimistic about it, but news like these make it tough to do so. Can't even blame just greedy corporations or politicians. We are way too used to a comfy lifestyle without thinking about the consequences.
I thought that's what climate change was.Unless... we kill it first.
Screw that, I need my computers and not when I'm 55.
That's not the problem, this is about the proliferation of multi-resistances against Antibiotics.Is this really a thing when meats are cooked at very high temps? What survives in there?
Not sure what "super antibiotics" you're referring to, but a Colistin-resistant gene was discovered in China last november and started spreading rapidly soon after.
http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2016/06/23/colistin-resistance-the-pig-is-out-of-the-barn/
Colistin was the true drug of last resort. Nasty stuff we kept locked away only for when we really needed it, because the side effects (including killing your kidneys at a disturbingly quick pace) often made that it worse than the actual infection. Now that's gone too. There are absolutely no antibiotics left that will carry us 50 years.
You probably read about Colistin, actually.
The soil stuff is interesting and novel but it's not something the research community is prepared to hinge their hopes on yet. It's generally accepted that there are no new reliable candidates in the pipeline for the foreseeable future.
http://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/89/2/11-030211/en/
There's always the possibility that we could have a breakthrough, but it's - again - not something people are hinging their hopes on. There's also the problem that the pace of how quickly bacteria develop resistance has picked up over time. Even if the get a new wonder drug, we could easily lose it even as it's barely out of the factory.
We got to keep the old school drugs for decades. Resistance to newer drugs developed within a year in recent cases.
New antibiotics are very rare to find, though not impossible. A quick pubmed search showed that one was discovered not too long ago in 2015, http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v517/n7535/full/nature14098.html (Needs a nature subscription to read, and my VPN is letting me down again, so I've not actually read it yet either), based on something to do with copying bacteria in soil.
So we basically have no answer to any of this? We've doomed future generations to suffering on a medieval scale and we've just got to cross our fingers we don't get huge swaths of our population wiped out by some nasty ass bacteria? What a shitstorm.
True but there is also no selection pressure to decrease the mutant bacteria population.It's going to get worse before it gets better, especially since education about antibiotic overuse is painfully low in places where antibiotics are overused.
How possible is it for bacteria to lose antibiotic resistance over time? If we stop using an antibiotic, theoretically there won't be any selection pressure to pass those genes down to future generations, right?
Edit: nvm we doomed
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160801142038.htm
This wouldn't be as big of an issue if patients didn't expect a pill and doctors didn't feel pressure to give it to them. See, people with colds.
Isn't this another reason to avoid meat?
Then get out there and make it happen?I'd rather have a house, a car, an actual 9 to 5 job, ample vacation, and little to no debt rather than a fucking computer and/or the internet.
They make a good point. Antibiotics are way too over prescribed and lack of effect from diseases that adapt to them is inevitable.
There are also countries where they are sold very cheaply over the counter. The combined effect has been devastating.
I'm curious if this was always an inevitability.
You can get gonorrhea without penetration.If a mutated incurable strain of gonorrhea isn't enough to convince you to use a condom, I don't know what is.
What? How?You can get gonorrhea without penetration.
Does roundup/the pesticide treadmill have anything to do with this?
Just general touching of the genitals/anus/throat. Close physical contact, basically. The bacteria just need to touch the mucus membranes, so dicks and vajayjays don't need to meet. Hell, my doc said you can get it by just using fingers if fluids are involved.What? How?
That's so scary. :OJust general touching of the genitals/anus/throat. Close physical contact, basically. The bacteria just need to touch the mucus membranes, so dicks and vajayjays don't need to meet. Hell, my doc said you can get it by just using fingers if fluids are involved.
Didn't somewhere say that 10M people would end up dying a year because of it by 2050?
Between this and climate change, the future's looking rough.
I had c diff. That shit is scary because it's caused by antibiotic overuse and now I'm scared to death of using antibiotics again for fear that my gut bacteria are permanently altered.
What? How?
I hope we can all die in nuclear fire before a superbug makes us feel really shitty for months and have a horrible suffering death.
Is this really a thing when meats are cooked at very high temps? What survives in there?
I hope we can all die in nuclear fire before a superbug makes us feel really shitty for months and have a horrible suffering death.
They should put antibiotics on a rotation, ala crop rotation, where the world is divided up into regions and each can only use a certain variety of antibiotics for some set time (AFAIK there's no data as to how long this needs to be). Exceptions in place for extreme emergencies, of course. Then bacteria wouldn't have enough time to develop resistances to any antibiotics.
There's seriously no reason why every country should use every antibiotic all the time. It's not like antibiotics make a huge amount of money anyways. The pharma companies would probably make more money by rotating their product in a way that would keep it effective for longer instead of just making new antibiotics every few years.