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News The US president began his political career with the ‘birtherism’ lie about Obama. He’s doing the same once more

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As he struggles in the polls, Trump reaches for the racist playbook again


David SmithLast modified on Fri 14 Aug 2020 16.25 BST

Donald Trump holds a briefing at the White House on Thursday. Photograph: Oliver Contreras/EPA

“Mr President,” a reporter asked on Thursday. “After three and a half years, do you regret, at all, all the lying you’ve done to the American people?”

A disbelieving Trump asked: “All the what?”

The question was repeated and the US president refused to answer. His political career began with a big lie: birtherism, the baseless fantasy that Barack Obama was born outside the US and therefore ineligible for the White House.

It may now be nearing its end with another false and racist conspiracy theory, which he encouraged at the same Thursday briefing. This one questions Kamala Harris’s eligibility to be vice-president.

Harris was this week named as Democratic candidate Joe Biden’s running mate for the 2020 election – the first woman of colour on a major party ticket. She was born in Oakland, California, and is eligible for both the vice-presidency and presidency under the US constitution.

John Eastman, a conservative lawyer, wrote an op-ed in Newsweek arguing that the constitution does not grant birthright citizenship and challenging Harris’s eligibility based on her parents’ immigration status.

When Trump was asked about it at Thursday’s White House press briefing, he gave a characteristically vague answer that could sow doubt in the minds of supporters inclined to believe the worst: “So, I just heard that. I heard it today that she doesn’t meet the requirements. And, by the way, the lawyer that wrote that piece is a very highly qualified, very talented lawyer.”

He added: “I have no idea if that’s right. I would have assumed the Democrats would have checked that out before she gets chosen to run for vice-president.”

The 14th amendment states: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

Christopher Kelley, a political science professor at Miami University in Ohio, told the Associated Press: “No, there’s no question about it. It’s been recognized since the people drafted it back in the 39th Congress that [the 14th] amendment would cover people not just born to American citizens but born on American soil.”

Trump’s feigned ignorance is true to form for someone with a track record of racist and anti-immigrant stances. In 1973, he and his father were sued by the justice department for racial discrimination because prospective Black tenants were blocked from renting in their buildings.

Trump was a high-profile champion of the so-called “birther movement” that questioned whether Obama, the first African American president, was born in the US and eligible to serve. Obama, born in Hawaii, produced his birth certificate to prove it, and eventually even Trump said he accepted the truth.


Kamala Harris was named as Joe Biden’s running mate this week. She has since faced an onslaught of racist and sexist attacks. Photograph: Drew Angerer/Getty Images

Harris’s father was born in Jamaica and mother born in India. Under the constitution, anyone born in the US automatically acquires citizenship, irrespective of their parents’ immigration status.

Trump’s shameless fanning of the conspiracy flames came in the context of a predictably ferocious onslaught of racist and sexist attacks on Harris by the president his supporters in rightwing media.

“Sort of a madwoman, I call her, because she was so angry and such hatred with Justice Kavanaugh,” Trump told the Fox Business network.

The Republican senator John Kennedy told the same network: “I would describe her as Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez but smarter without the bartending experience.”

Deroy Murdock, a Fox News contributor, said: “She seems to come across as a bit abrasive, as the president mentioned. I don’t know if she can warm things up and be a little more charming.”

The Fox News host Tucker Carlson pronounced Harris’s first name wrongly several times on Tuesday night. When a guest corrected him, Carlson snapped “So what?” and then twice mispronounced her name again.

On Twitter, Trump’s son Eric favourited a tweet that referred to Harris as a “whorendous pick”; the tweet was later deleted.

The blitz suggested an election campaign moving into a new and dangerous phase. With Trump and his Republican allies trailing in the polls and struggling to define Harris, there may be no limit how low they will go. Stuart Stevens, a longtime Republican strategist and critic of the president, has just published a book about the party’s descent into Trumpism. Its title? It Was All a Lie.



 
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I mean it is kind of stupid. You've got riots every night and a mainstream, well-funded organization trying to destroy the nuclear family, and you give attention to an archaic legal argument about a vice presidential candidate?

Why don't you bring up how she sounds like a goddamn moron every time she opens her mouth?

It might rile up his base but does nothing for undecided moderates.

Gotta play the hits I guess.
 

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Even Fox News was like jeez, Donald, give it a rest.

 

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Even Fox News was like jeez, Donald, give it a rest.


Seriously... this is a dumb angle to pursue. She's American whether he likes her or not.

edit: nevermind, sounds like he just vaguely answered a question? I assumed he retweeted a conspiracy tweet or something.
 
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So a reporter asked him, he said he heard the person behind it is smart but he has no idea if its true and now he is spreading this and doing birthism again?

This is a stretch to the max.

But par for the course since Kamala is supposed to be the meat shield because of her cervix and 25% blackness.
 

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Newsweek started it and they aren't backing down.


Now that Trump has lightly opined on it, it's his strategy now? Bullshit.

How about instead of calling it racist, debate the man who is making convincing arguments that Kamala is not eligible. They cannot.
 
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When Trump was asked about it at Thursday’s White House press briefing, he gave a characteristically vague answer
Trumps gives a vague answer, the media pretends it is an Order From On High, media sycophants like you run around scooping up the shit as it falls from the dog’s anus, circle of life continues like always

Lol how must it feel doing the same action over and over while expecting different results?
 
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And why is it a "racist" cospiracy theory?

McCain and Cruz had the same things asked about them, and there is no conspiracy its an actual fact that both her parents weren't citizens when she was born.

You can see the desperation to play the race card at every turn. The media is going to scream racism/sexism until Nov 3rd. Thats Kamala's role in this whole thing, to allow the media to sling racism accusations.
 

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Lol that def depends on the mom ancestor right

D'Souza doesnt believe she should be held accountable for her ancestors. He is pointing out the logical fallacy of saying Kamala is a victim of systemic racism due to the legacy of racism and Jim Crow because of her skin color. When the facts of the situation are that her parents immigrated here to an area without Jim Crow, thus Jim Crow did not affect them both in time and in location, and she is a descendant of a huge slave owner.
 

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He said he has no idea if it’s right. So what is the problem here? I don’t get it. It’s no secret that only a US born citizen can be president, so that makes the policy racist?
 
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As he struggles in the polls, Trump reaches for the racist playbook again


David SmithLast modified on Fri 14 Aug 2020 16.25 BST

Donald Trump holds a briefing at the White House on Thursday. Photograph: Oliver Contreras/EPA

“Mr President,” a reporter asked on Thursday. “After three and a half years, do you regret, at all, all the lying you’ve done to the American people?”

A disbelieving Trump asked: “All the what?”

The question was repeated and the US president refused to answer. His political career began with a big lie: birtherism, the baseless fantasy that Barack Obama was born outside the US and therefore ineligible for the White House.

It may now be nearing its end with another false and racist conspiracy theory, which he encouraged at the same Thursday briefing. This one questions Kamala Harris’s eligibility to be vice-president.

Harris was this week named as Democratic candidate Joe Biden’s running mate for the 2020 election – the first woman of colour on a major party ticket. She was born in Oakland, California, and is eligible for both the vice-presidency and presidency under the US constitution.

John Eastman, a conservative lawyer, wrote an op-ed in Newsweek arguing that the constitution does not grant birthright citizenship and challenging Harris’s eligibility based on her parents’ immigration status.

When Trump was asked about it at Thursday’s White House press briefing, he gave a characteristically vague answer that could sow doubt in the minds of supporters inclined to believe the worst: “So, I just heard that. I heard it today that she doesn’t meet the requirements. And, by the way, the lawyer that wrote that piece is a very highly qualified, very talented lawyer.”

He added: “I have no idea if that’s right. I would have assumed the Democrats would have checked that out before she gets chosen to run for vice-president.”

The 14th amendment states: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

Christopher Kelley, a political science professor at Miami University in Ohio, told the Associated Press: “No, there’s no question about it. It’s been recognized since the people drafted it back in the 39th Congress that [the 14th] amendment would cover people not just born to American citizens but born on American soil.”

Trump’s feigned ignorance is true to form for someone with a track record of racist and anti-immigrant stances. In 1973, he and his father were sued by the justice department for racial discrimination because prospective Black tenants were blocked from renting in their buildings.

Trump was a high-profile champion of the so-called “birther movement” that questioned whether Obama, the first African American president, was born in the US and eligible to serve. Obama, born in Hawaii, produced his birth certificate to prove it, and eventually even Trump said he accepted the truth.


Kamala Harris was named as Joe Biden’s running mate this week. She has since faced an onslaught of racist and sexist attacks. Photograph: Drew Angerer/Getty Images

Harris’s father was born in Jamaica and mother born in India. Under the constitution, anyone born in the US automatically acquires citizenship, irrespective of their parents’ immigration status.

Trump’s shameless fanning of the conspiracy flames came in the context of a predictably ferocious onslaught of racist and sexist attacks on Harris by the president his supporters in rightwing media.

“Sort of a madwoman, I call her, because she was so angry and such hatred with Justice Kavanaugh,” Trump told the Fox Business network.

The Republican senator John Kennedy told the same network: “I would describe her as Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez but smarter without the bartending experience.”

Deroy Murdock, a Fox News contributor, said: “She seems to come across as a bit abrasive, as the president mentioned. I don’t know if she can warm things up and be a little more charming.”

The Fox News host Tucker Carlson pronounced Harris’s first name wrongly several times on Tuesday night. When a guest corrected him, Carlson snapped “So what?” and then twice mispronounced her name again.

On Twitter, Trump’s son Eric favourited a tweet that referred to Harris as a “whorendous pick”; the tweet was later deleted.

The blitz suggested an election campaign moving into a new and dangerous phase. With Trump and his Republican allies trailing in the polls and struggling to define Harris, there may be no limit how low they will go. Stuart Stevens, a longtime Republican strategist and critic of the president, has just published a book about the party’s descent into Trumpism. Its title? It Was All a Lie.



That was one of the worst reads I've ever had.

How do you read this shit?

Whatever side politically you're on you cannot deny thats one hell of a anti-trump cum piece.
 

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So is she eligible or not? Is Obama a real citizen or not? I just want to know where to march with my pitchfork.
 

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I mean it is kind of stupid. You've got riots every night and a mainstream, well-funded organization trying to destroy the nuclear family, and you give attention to an archaic legal argument about a vice presidential candidate?

Why don't you bring up how she sounds like a goddamn moron every time she opens her mouth?

It might rile up his base but does nothing for undecided moderates.

Gotta play the hits I guess.

I guess you missed the part where he was asked about it.
 

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Here’s a quick walkthrough exposing the document as a forgery.

This has aged nicely:

Trump allowed himself to look like a buffoon so he would underestimated. Legend.
I remember downloading the PDF from the .gov website and selecting the layer in Adobe and moving the top layer around myself. It was being talked about a lot on nightly news so I figured I would see it for myself. Thought it was wild but I wasn't too concerned with the overall drama. All things hidden eventually come to light.
 
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I would argue that Trump started his political career at least when he started with The Apprentice, probably sooner.

Apprentice was all about getting the public primed to see him as a great leader.
 

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"AND subject to the jurisdiction thereof". There is some disagreement on the implications of this phrase among legal scholars. Trump didn't exactly say anything controversial or wrong.
 
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Even Fox News was like jeez, Donald, give it a rest.

"She's got brown skin and a funny name, clearly she wasn't born here."
-Donald Trump's logic, presumably.
Donald is using his old tricks again? As if he knows which cons to run after decades of screwing people over.

No deftness at all.
As he struggles in the polls, Trump reaches for the racist playbook again

So you didn't even bother actually watching the presser to hear it from Trump's own mouth, yet you're ready to believe it any way?

He never even alluded to it being true, you're grasping at straws and it's sad.

Since you're too lazy to look up the source for yourselves, it's right here btw:
This is the press conference. The the video is set to when the question is asked.


TL;DR: "I have no idea, I just heard about it."

This is just bait for people who like the news to lead them around by the nose.
 

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So you didn't even bother actually watching the presser to hear it from Trump's own mouth, yet you're ready to believe it any way?

He never even alluded to it being true, you're grasping at straws and it's sad.

Since you're too lazy to look up the source for yourselves, it's right here btw:

Trump should have just shot it down and said definitively thats its not true. Instead he says the lawyer that said it is a highly talented and qualified lawyer, says he’ll look into it, and gives air to the possibility that its true when its not. Even Fox News sighed on their front page. Lazy, lol. You’re a funny one.
 

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Trump should have just shot it down and said definitively thats its not true. Instead he says the lawyer that said it is a highly talented and qualified lawyer, says he’ll look into it, and gives air to the possibility that its true when its not. Even Fox News sighed on their front page. Lazy, lol. You’re a funny one.
Even when he doesn't endorse or entertain this argument (which was pushed by Newsweek), it's still not enough for you. You're a goofy one.