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The Xbox Series X has a big DRM problem | Modern Vintage Gamer
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Valedix
Member
Probably piracy is my only guess
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
We've been here over this, this is my take on the video, which I wrote on youtube channel, because he is not here
But I understand the concern.
But I understand the concern.
Well X1 ran natively, so one of the issue was not present.
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Valedix
Member
Yeah as far as I know it was the same on Xbox One.
Beer Baelly
Al Pachinko, Konami President
Didnt know there was a new dynamic theme
rickybooby87
Member
"Smart Delivery"
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It never left.
Having both a PS4 and XBO last gen, all MS did was get rid of the controversial parts of the orig policies.
On the XBO doing a license transfer from a disc to digital game is seamless. I did with tis Watch Dogs disc to the Games with Gold version.
On PS4, AFAIK you had to redownload the entire game. Not sure if its still that way.
Deleting a game update in progress would delete the entire XBO game, not sure if this is still that way. PS4 its still separate.
I'm at the part where he's talking about Returnal. And yup, I have skipped the past few updates for that game. And I can still play it. But I cant do any of the game's online stuff. Sony is a lil more flexible when it comes to this.
pasterpl
Member
So in summary, you need to be online to play;
- any disc based games from previous generations (og Xbox, 360 and xbone)
- most (all?) disc based games with smart delivery (physical copy with both xbone and xbseries logos), disc probably contains only xbone version
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harmny
Banned
It's 2021. If you can't connect to the internet you have bigger problems than not being able to play Xbox games.
I don't care what anyone says. I've been a pc (and console. But pc is 100% digital) gamer from a third world country all my life. If I was able to do it anyone can do it.
I don't care what anyone says. I've been a pc (and console. But pc is 100% digital) gamer from a third world country all my life. If I was able to do it anyone can do it.
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Zeroing
Banned
Oh well… I’m sure someone will downplay this or spin it as a good thing…
It didn’t even took 20 seconds….
Tschumi
Member
I'd like to talk to you about our lord and savior gog.com <3
(on topic: This isn't a new thing, it's not the best press but it's hardly unprecedented - DRM is a valid thing, even if it's anti-consumer. I really enjoy clicking through all the loading screens and ads in PC Witcher 3)
(on topic: This isn't a new thing, it's not the best press but it's hardly unprecedented - DRM is a valid thing, even if it's anti-consumer. I really enjoy clicking through all the loading screens and ads in PC Witcher 3)
dcmk7
Banned
It's a good job there is at least one company out there (not sure what Nintendo does) who does care about offline players.
Can't imagine it would very difficult for MS to turn it off. Let's hope they do.
Very anti-consumer. You should be able to play the games you own, no matter where you are.
harmny
Banned
Gog Is digital. The 0.1% offline console gamers won't like it
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
Majority of people online 24/7, but that doesn't mean you should be online to be able to access your video games, that makes no sense at all.
Having the technology does not mean you have to use it if it doesnt benefit.
Must be online 24/7 to access live service online games? sure.
But single player games? hell no.
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Valedix
Member
this guy is basically saying
"yeah fuck you if your internet goes out and you have to play offline" lol
Fredrik
Member
Yeah. While I have an internet connection 99.99999999% of the time I have been without internet at certain times, like when I moved to a new house and it took 3 months until we got fibre and I had to do internet sharing through the phone just to pay bills etc.
I’m guessing this is just a quick ping to the servers though? A few kilobytes tops? So internet sharing on the mobile should work here as well. But it’s still bad. They better not close down any servers, ever.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
Half the video is him discussing not being able to launch digital games offline on a console that isn’t his home console. Why would you be able to do that? If you could play those games with no connection, people could buy the game on an account and then let anyone download the game on that account on their own console and play it offline. On his actual home Xbox console those digital titles would load offline just fine.
Idk why BC titles require an internet connection to finish installing but as he says it’s probably some config files.
Idk why BC titles require an internet connection to finish installing but as he says it’s probably some config files.
TLZ
Banned
Really?
Valedix
Member
I mean he shows you can launch digital games offline on a PS5...
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Morally and ethically suspect. But unless you are living in Antarctica, this shouldnt be a big deal.
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
This basically
+ some non-understanding of Home console
On your home one, same with Xbox.
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Fredrik
Member
He had problems with some games even after setting the console to be his home console, Ori and the Will of the Wisps for example.
rob305
Member
I really like MVGs videos, but this was a bit disingenuous. He was game sharing his games and didnt have his xbox set up as home xbox. When you have your xbox set to your home xbox your digital games work fine. I'm game sharing with a friend of mine and when my internet goes out I can still play the games my buddy purchased digitally while i'm offline. The Playstation works the same way, only difference is that when you lose your internet, the xbox kicks you out of the game instantly and the playstation gives you 20min before kicking you out.
The smart delivery games forcing you to be online on the series x seems like an oversight, good on him for pointing that out and im sure it will be fixed eventually. Regular Series X games work fine offline when installed from disk
Bumblebeetuna
Member
His only PS5.
He is literally getting the home console error message when he tries to load them on Xbox
khakimzhan
Member
Sorry
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Insane Metal
Member
That's a big deal imo.
No excuses for that, seriously. Hopefully they take that out with updates.
No excuses for that, seriously. Hopefully they take that out with updates.
Robb
Gold Member
Yeah this stuff sucks and makes me hesitant to ever purchase a game for the system tbh. It's absolutely crazy to me that I would not be able to play some of these games offline.
When it comes to Xbox I'll probably just go all out on GamePass and purchase the games I actually want to keep elsewhere.
When it comes to Xbox I'll probably just go all out on GamePass and purchase the games I actually want to keep elsewhere.
harmny
Banned
Yeah and he says "for some unknown reason". The screen is literally telling you the reasonHis only PS5.
He is literally getting the home console error message when he tries to load them on Xbox
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
may i also remind the people when you can't play a game you legally bought on your own xbox.
But you still want to. Then piracy will become the better option.. That is pretty damn stupid tbh.
Takes me back to using cracked exe's on PC because the legal way was more hassle. To play the copies of games i owned.
But you still want to. Then piracy will become the better option.. That is pretty damn stupid tbh.
Takes me back to using cracked exe's on PC because the legal way was more hassle. To play the copies of games i owned.
This
Yeah, but this answers some thing some of us got into a huge debate with someone about:
Smart Delivery games that are just the XBO version on disc. Things get fuzzy when its downloaded from the store.
All Smart Delivery games dont contain the Series versions on disc or in 1 download, despite what some ppl think. Some will have to be downloaded to the correct platform. All this came up recently in a debate about game size and compression.
And this all points to some of the cons about Smart Delivery and the way MS's does BC. Its a good thing, but it can easily be confusing.
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So technically it seems that the Xbox One BC layer is working almost exactly as the same from the Xbox 360 BC, with the diffrence is that you download the required stuff as opposed to the whole game for the 360. I don't think it's a good idea, but didn't know that Series X only games could actually be installed offline. It's an akward thing, which is why i support the removal of the online necessity if possible.
harmny
Banned
To pirate games you need an internet connection
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M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Yeah you are right, that the difference is smaller file. It is an awkward thing, however the issue is that solving this issue pose challenges, which sucks, but they are or how to put it.
On xbox there are a bunch of games it doesn't matter if it is your home console or not it will not launch.
IIRC you also need to be online, or at least in your phone to configure the xbox for the first time, and well, the harsh truth is that no one wanted to play online only because of server issues as seen in diablo and ubisoft games, but hadn't been from that, wouldn't surprise me if people accepted it, after all, imagine that almost every or every console went online at least once and the big majority is mostly online. Nowadays with all their markets having internet 24/7, people would just accept at least an online instalation process just like PC Gamers do with steam.