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There is so much hate and misinformation in politics, how has Donald Trump truly performed so far, as our President of the United States?

Vicetrailia

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Does Trump really want to end the military industrial complex, all he does is send more money to the military. He wants the have a bigger navy, space force more this and that, expand expand expand.
 
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Does Trump really want to end the military industrial complex, all he does is send more money to the military. He wants the have a bigger navy, space force more this and that, expand expand expand.
Our merchant ships will still need escorts when we stop playing escort for everyone else.
 

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That's a lot of money for escorts, Trump needs to start using those negotiating skills of his. We're getting ripped.
It’s also a great deterrent for rogue nations wanting to attempt another “Pearl Harbor”.

Investing into the military is not necessarily the MIC, the MIC is mainly generated through unnecessary wars. Something he has been adamant about preventing and stopping so far.

You can still invest in new technologies, replenish and recycle them keeping that part of the economy going without being pushed to start new bloodbaths for the bureaucrats.
 
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I'm a mildly ride-or-die Trump supporter. There are things I think he could do better, but Reagan made his share of mistakes as well. Reagan only had to deal with a media that mildly disliked him, however.

Trump's optimism for the American Spirit is a large portion of why the world is slowly turning back towards Western Liberal Democracy, as opposed to the black-pilled nihilism of just assuming China will rule the world in 30 years.
 

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Our merchant ships will still need escorts when we stop playing escort for everyone else.
Not to derail this thread at all, but I've seen you speak at length about naval trade, protection, economy and how it all relates to geopolitics (both present and in hypothetical future models). Do you have any reads you would recommend for a novice to become more acquainted?

My personal area of geopolitical studies, completely recreational and not professional, has more or less consistently revolved around Russia. So I know embarrassingly little about the stuff you talk about though I am quite fascinated.
 
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Not to derail this thread at all, but I've seen you speak at length about naval trade, protection, economy and how it all relates to geopolitics (both present and in hypothetical future models). Do you have any reads you would recommend for a novice to become more acquainted?

My personal area of geopolitical studies, which I do for fun, has more or less consistently revolved around Russia. So I know embarrassingly little about the stuff you talk about though I am quite fascinated.
I learned quite a bit about it recently through a GAFer who linked Peter Zeihan. He condenses and summarizes a lot of info that I've been watching for years and I thank whichever GAFer tuned me in to his stuff:


I mean, I consider myself a novice. These topics are extremely large, with plenty of sources to read from. I wouldn't know where to point you exactly but I'd encourage you to reach out and read something on economics that sound interesting to you.

Keep in mind that economics and history are closely tied. Many historical shifts took place for economic reasons. I've found it very interesting looking back into events that I learned about in childhood through an economic lens and a lot of choices make a lot more sense. The USA was largely founded on the desire for economic freedoms as well as ideological freedoms. The more I learn about history, the more I learn about economics, and vice versa.

I hope you find the video interesting, even if there are parts you disagree with. I am still not 100% sold on Zeihan's future predictions but he does bring up a lot of factual information as the basis for his predictions. Like any economist, he is selling you his version of the past in order to convince you to buy his vision of the future. Judge his material against your own knowledge of the things he cites.
 
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It’s also a great deterrent for rogue nations wanting to attempt another “Pearl Harbor”.

Investing into the military is not necessarily the MIC, the MIC is mainly generated through unnecessary wars. Something he has been adamant about preventing and stopping so far.

You can still invest in new technologies, replenish and recycle them keeping that part of the economy going without being pushed to start new bloodbaths for the bureaucrats.
Congress approving more spenditures to overpay contractors bidding to create technology, etc, is a part of the industrial complex. The revolving door of contractors siphoning more tax payer dollars is a big part of it, not just finding ways to make wars or open bases across the world. It hasn't slowed down.
 

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Congress approving more spenditures to overpay contractors bidding to create technology, etc, is a part of the industrial complex. The revolving door of contractors siphoning more tax payer dollars is a big part of it, not just finding ways to make wars or open bases across the world. It hasn't slowed down.
The bloodshed part is the main concern, get to the ballot box and convince all the party level pulling zombie voters of this too.
 
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In my opinion, any other republican candidate could have enacted the policies that he's getting credit for in this thread. The most disappointing thing to me is that the people chose the worst of the lot in terms of his moral compass and decency. I expect more from the president.

The arguments about left going batshit crazy, etc etc - that's all just the echo from the other side of what we saw during the Obama years. One term president, hanging him in effigy, all that craziness. It exists whichever side is in power so to say that all of a sudden it's the left doing this, like it's never happened before, is just not true. We should move beyond those kind of accusations at this point, they are meaningless.
This is just flat out wrong. No other Republican could be doing what Trump currently is because they didn't (now it would seem that some have started to grow one)have a spine. Which other candidate would have directly called out the media with such ferocity? Which candidate would call them on their blatant hypocrisy, and biased reporting? I can answer that, none. They would have kowtowed to the media and establishment in a heartbeat.

Which other candidate would have gone head on with China, and continually pushing this hard? Which other candidate would have kept pushing, and finally getting Kavanaugh on the supreme court and not folded like a cheap deck of cards? Which other candidate would have wrangled immigration to it's damn knees so quickly?

What other candidate would have not only weathered this insane storm of accusations, and impeachment and come out stronger on the other side?

I have never seen anything on this level in attacking a sitting President like this, and I'm pretty damn certain no one alive has either. Comparing Obama with Trump is laughable.

As I stated in a different thread;

You just saying something doesn't make it true and what you said is pure horsecrap.

No other Republican candidate could have come even close to getting as much done as Trump has, or survived this shitstorm of epic proportions and gained strength in the process.

No one.
 

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This is just flat out wrong. No other Republican could be doing what Trump currently is because they didn't (now it would seem that some have started to grow one)have a spine. Which other candidate would have directly called out the media with such ferocity? Which candidate would call them on their blatant hypocrisy, and biased reporting? I can answer that, none. They would have kowtowed to the media and establishment in a heartbeat.

Which other candidate would have gone head on with China, and continually pushing this hard? Which other candidate would have kept pushing, and finally getting Kavanaugh on the supreme court and not folded like a cheap deck of cards? Which other candidate would have wrangled immigration to it's damn knees so quickly?

What other candidate would have not only weathered this insane storm of accusations, and impeachment and come out stronger on the other side?

I have never seen anything on this level in attacking a sitting President like this, and I'm pretty damn certain no one alive has either. Comparing Obama with Trump is laughable.

As I stated in a different thread;

You just saying something doesn't make it true and what you said is pure horsecrap.

No other Republican candidate could have come even close to getting as much done as Trump has, or survived this shitstorm of epic proportions and gained strength in the process.

No one.
Agreed, a lot of people talked about doing the shit that Trump has done. He's got balls, and he's getting results. As far as performance goes, no one can touch him.
 

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It’s also a great deterrent for rogue nations wanting to attempt another “Pearl Harbor”.

Investing into the military is not necessarily the MIC, the MIC is mainly generated through unnecessary wars. Something he has been adamant about preventing and stopping so far.

You can still invest in new technologies, replenish and recycle them keeping that part of the economy going without being pushed to start new bloodbaths for the bureaucrats.
At the very least you can take the guns off retiring naval ships, and sell them to anybody who wants a destroyer without main guns. Given that merchant ships already dump cheap AR15 rifles overboard anyway, I don't have any problems selling surplus Cold-War era ships to private companies without missile systems or main guns.

Just leave the quad 50's.
 
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In my opinion, any other republican candidate could have enacted the policies that he's getting credit for in this thread. The most disappointing thing to me is that the people chose the worst of the lot in terms of his moral compass and decency. I expect more from the president.

The arguments about left going batshit crazy, etc etc - that's all just the echo from the other side of what we saw during the Obama years. One term president, hanging him in effigy, all that craziness. It exists whichever side is in power so to say that all of a sudden it's the left doing this, like it's never happened before, is just not true. We should move beyond those kind of accusations at this point, they are meaningless.
Uhh, what?

Ill just mention the China trade deal and Remain in Mexico policy for now, but im sure theres at least a dozen other things that we would have never gotten under any other Republican president.
 

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I learned quite a bit about it recently through a GAFer who linked Peter Zeihan. He condenses and summarizes a lot of info that I've been watching for years and I thank whichever GAFer tuned me in to his stuff:


I mean, I consider myself a novice. These topics are extremely large, with plenty of sources to read from. I wouldn't know where to point you exactly but I'd encourage you to reach out and read something on economics that sound interesting to you.

Keep in mind that economics and history are closely tied. Many historical shifts took place for economic reasons. I've found it very interesting looking back into events that I learned about in childhood through an economic lens and a lot of choices make a lot more sense. The USA was largely founded on the desire for economic freedoms as well as ideological freedoms. The more I learn about history, the more I learn about economics, and vice versa.

I hope you find the video interesting, even if there are parts you disagree with. I am still not 100% sold on Zeihan's future predictions but he does bring up a lot of factual information as the basis for his predictions. Like any economist, he is selling you his version of the past in order to convince you to buy his vision of the future. Judge his material against your own knowledge of the things he cites.
Thanks, very gracious of you. I'm digesting it all presently.
 
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since he's surrounded by swampy retards in and around washington, i'd say he's doing a pretty kick ass job

america is strong and safe, our economy is booming, and lots of great policies are active or in the pipe
Trump's only but mistake (besides his rude comments, is that he filled his administration up with stupid goons
 

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Trump's only but mistake (besides his rude comments, is that he filled his administration up with stupid goons
he appoints a lot of people, some of them suck

find me one leader without connections and i'll jump into a fucking pool of acid right now
 
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High income people always benefit more from republican administrations, so it’s been a win for me the past 3 years.

I don’t get why poor people (e.g. most of you) would support him. Most of you have no health insurance, no education, negative net worths, blue collar jobs, still live in your moms house, etc.

All the things Democrat’s propose are useless to me, but not to you. Free healthcare doesn’t mean shit to me, I already can easily afford great healthcare. Free college or loan forgiveness doesn’t mean shit, my parents paid for my education in cash. Cheaper housing wouldn’t do much for me either, I already outright own several properties and I like renting them out for as much as possible.

It’s just kind of interesting to sit back and watch modern-day peasants vote to benefit me and keep themselves broke. Part of me feels guilty, but the other part is like hey, it’s your fault for being stupid, why should I feel guilty?
 

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High income people always benefit more from republican administrations, so it’s been a win for me the past 3 years.

I don’t get why poor people (e.g. most of you) would support him. Most of you have no health insurance, no education, negative net worths, blue collar jobs, still live in your moms house, etc.

All the things Democrat’s propose are useless to me, but not to you. Free healthcare doesn’t mean shit to me, I already can easily afford great healthcare. Free college or loan forgiveness doesn’t mean shit, my parents paid for my education in cash. Cheaper housing wouldn’t do much for me either, I already outright own several properties and I like renting them out for as much as possible.

It’s just kind of interesting to sit back and watch modern-day peasants vote to benefit me and keep themselves broke. Part of me feels guilty, but the other part is like hey, it’s your fault for being stupid, why should I feel guilty?
 

EviLore

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High income people always benefit more from republican administrations, so it’s been a win for me the past 3 years.

I don’t get why poor people (e.g. most of you) would support him. Most of you have no health insurance, no education, negative net worths, blue collar jobs, still live in your moms house, etc.

All the things Democrat’s propose are useless to me, but not to you. Free healthcare doesn’t mean shit to me, I already can easily afford great healthcare. Free college or loan forgiveness doesn’t mean shit, my parents paid for my education in cash. Cheaper housing wouldn’t do much for me either, I already outright own several properties and I like renting them out for as much as possible.

It’s just kind of interesting to sit back and watch modern-day peasants vote to benefit me and keep themselves broke. Part of me feels guilty, but the other part is like hey, it’s your fault for being stupid, why should I feel guilty?
Don't spoil your children, GAF, or they're liable to turn out like this.
 

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Damn, thought the guy had some solid humour going for him, but then went off the rails.