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[Stinkles]

I dunno man, the Longmen Grottoes still impress the hell out of me

100.000 statues, jesus christ

regionally speaking, I'm a huge fan of the Roman baths in Bath. Splendid place

We used to get drunk and sneak in at night.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

Well if you want some reading, here's a load on all the bullshit in that 'documentary' you swallowed without question:

http://irna.lautre.net/-The-documentary-film-Revelation-of-.html

Ya, thats some pretty damning stuff right there for the credibility of a lot of the views in that documentary. I never take anything I watch online as gospel but please, continue to assume I believe everything I see in a documentary. None of those articles you posted addressed anything about the similarities in architecture between pre Inca structures and the Temple of Hathor in Egypt which is the one piece of evidence I brought up. Just a lot of stuff about astrology and the great pyramid.

 

[elrechazado]

Ya, thats some pretty damning stuff right there for the credibility of a lot of the views in that documentary. I never take anything I watch online as gospel but please, continue to assume I believe everything I see in a documentary. None of those articles you posted addressed anything about the similarities in architecture between pre Inca structures and the Temple of Hathor in Egypt which is the one piece of evidence I brought up. Just a lot of stuff about astrology and the great pyramid.

Multiple people have but you continue to ignore it to repeat your silly arguments. Of sorry, I mean you're just asking questions, and CLEARLY not advocating specific ideas. Just questions

 

[DECK'ARD]

Ya, thats some pretty damning stuff right there for the credibility of a lot of the views in that documentary. I never take anything I watch online as gospel but please, continue to assume I believe everything I see in a documentary. None of those articles you posted addressed anything about the similarities in architecture between pre Inca structures and the Temple of Hathor in Egypt which is the one piece of evidence I brought up. Just a lot of stuff about astrology and the great pyramid.

Those articles trash the whole basis of the documentary about 'linked' sites and the very dubious sources he uses to justify it. Including outright fabricating stuff.

Similarity in architecture thousands of years apart do not support anything.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

Multiple people have but you continue to ignore it to repeat your silly arguments. Of sorry, I mean you're just asking questions, and CLEARLY not advocating specific ideas. Just questions

I'm not ignoring anyone. Everyone seems to think I believe in Atlantis or aliens. Someone said its a logical conclusion that similar humans had similar hurdles to cross in building the structures and thats why they are similar, thats perfectly plausible. Probably what happened too. At first thought, I thought that the similarities in those pictures was worth a discussion. I'm entertaining the idea that it might have another explanation. Outside of some pictures I already posted I don't exactly have any good evidence and am just speculating. Feel free to tell me its wrong and why that is. I don't have an agenda. I have not seen anyone posting proof of anything.

I do believe in life in some form outside of earth though.

 

[wanderingprostheyltite]

I'm not ignoring anyone. Everyone seems to think I believe in Atlantis or aliens. Someone said its a logical conclusion that similar humans had similar hurdles to cross in building the structures and thats why they are similar, thats perfectly plausible. Probably what happened too. At first thought, I thought that the similarities in those pictures was worth a discussion. I'm entertaining the idea that it might have another explanation. Outside of some pictures I already posted I don't exactly have any good evidence and am just speculating. Feel free to tell me its wrong and why that is. I don't have an agenda. I have not seen anyone posting proof of anything.

I do believe in life in some form outside of earth though.

If you aren't trolling I gotta say you gotta lotta patience with this bunch. Laughing my ass off over here how riled up all the grumpers Spock types in this thread are getting at anyone with a passing interest in alternate explanations for these subjects. Carry on boys, you've been a delight.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

If you aren't trolling I gotta say you gotta lotta patience with this bunch. Laughing my ass off over here how riled up all the grumpers Spock types in this thread are getting at anyone with a passing interest in alternate explanations for these subjects. Carry on boys, you've been a delight.

No I'm not trolling, I don't know why we can't have a discussion about something like this without resorting to calling people conspiracy theorists. Shutting someone down for entertaining such ideas by trying to paint a picture of them being some loony who believes the moon is made of cheese just shows people closed mindedness when it comes to new ideas.

I'd love to discuss the age of the sphinx as well but since that was featured on an episode of ancient aliens, I'm sure the idea that it is older than we think would be met with the same sort of skepticism and accusations of lunacy although the geological evidence suggests that it is possible.

 

[RustyNails]

people who built the taj mahal had their hands cut off (to diminish the chances of a replication)

a sad history

That's just a myth. The legend goes that Emperor Shah Jahan chopped the hands of the workers and gouged the eyes out of the Architect so that they can never recreate something like the Taj, but it's unfounded and there is no mention of it happening in the records, especially since the Mughals were very painstaking in record-keeping. But what's true is that he was imprisoned by his own son in a nearby hold, the view from where he could see the taj. He died in that fort, and buried in the Taj Mahal with his wife Mumtaz, to whom the Taj Mahal is dedicated.

 

[Kraftwerk]

While there are many great man-made structures throughout history, I agree the pyramids surpass the rest by leaps and bounds. To think what the Egyptians were about to do despite being subjected to systematic slavery and royal palace guard brutality. I could barely leave my house last Monday on MLK Day, due to the sheer weight of his legacy bearing down on my soul; tears rushed down my privileged cheeks as I thought about the crimes my ancestors likely committed. I stayed home and couldn't help but think that Martin would want us to be like the Egyptians today. We might not be able to create the pyramids but certainly the creation of a racism free society would be #2 on my greatest man-made structures list.

We need to rise up and be like the Atlanteans, rid ourselves of these bonds that shackle us and break free.

 

[Kraftwerk]

Never pegged freenudemacusers for a believer in aliens and atlanteans.

 

[freenudemacusers]

Even species living in different continents managed to evolve quite the same characteristics. It should be no surprise that engineers thought alike.

sure, but that's evolution over millions of years vs a comparatively short time frame for engineering feats. it wouldn't surprise me if there was an overarching direction by a third party responsible for that.

 

[Mimosa97]

Not that I've ever heard of, from the 6 years I lived there at least. I mean you're usually going pretty slow around the Kabah cause it's crowded. There might be some rude shoving as some people are really desperate to kiss the stones at the center.

I've heard of trampling and death for the actual islamic Hajj pilgrimage but that's more out in the desert and not anywhere near the Kabah.

I didn't know there were two kinds of pilgrimages. I remember someone telling me it happened around the Kaaba so i guess he was saying bullshit.

I'm kind of scared of crowds. I don't think i could ever survive with so many people around. But again i'm not muslim lol

 

[Lord Panda]

buckle up, terrisus.



I'm going to go with: "actually, yes."

Yep.

 

[wanderingprostheyltite]

No I'm not trolling, I don't know why we can't have a discussion about something like this without resorting to calling people conspiracy theorists. Shutting someone down for entertaining such ideas by trying to paint a picture of them being some loony who believes the moon is made of cheese just shows people closed mindedness when it comes to new ideas.

I'd love to discuss the age of the sphinx as well but since that was featured on an episode of ancient aliens, I'm sure the idea that it is older than we think would be met with the same sort of skepticism and accusations of lunacy although the geological evidence suggests that it is possible.

You're just seeing the same kind of pack mentality that has existed for ages, anything that isn't THE science of the day is a crock of shit, and let's all stand in a circle and point and laugh at the people that discuss anything against this rigid curve. People don't seem to grasp that there is new shit being discovered WEEKLY in regards to archaeological finds. In 100 years we're gonna have a vastly different way of looking at the universe and our past, and yet that time period will undoubtedly be just as egoistic about their fancy toys and think they're the bees knees because of it. I just think a healthier, and more friendly (I know that's hard for you guys) way of approaching this stuff is to be receptive to the idea that we don't have all the facts on things that went down thousands of years ago when record keeping wasn't the most plentiful or reliable. Am I saying it's aliens guyz hur dur? Of course not, but I don't claim to know the whole story either.

 

[delta25]

The nasa assembly building

this one will always hold a strong place in my heart.

 

[MIMIC]

The pyramids are definitely something I'd love to see with my own eyes one day.

 

[Dishwalla]

My mother used to work in a pyramid, was always interesting to see when I was a kid.

http://www.iconcreditunion.org/orchard-branch

Because I mean, how often do you see a bank(credit union, whatever) inside of a pyramid?

 

[Deleted member 309291]

Buncha stoners ITT. Or at least that's the only way to explain some of the crazy shit Im reading.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

The pyramids are definitely something I'd love to see with my own eyes one day.

Its definitely on my bucket list. Giza and Machu Picchu are 2 places I need to see before I die.

 

[keuja]

Nothing impresses me more than the mount Rushmore.

 

[Vicetrailia]

I can barely see the color, needs more color!

 

[Marion Cobretti]

The Pyramids in Egypt, and The Pyramids in Guatemala, are by far the most impressive structures ever built.

Just on a technical and functional level, and also because of their flawless relation to the stars, nothing comes close.

The level of accuracy... Let's just say that it's precision that can cut a line through your dick.

Again, on a functional and technical level, the Pyramids in Egypt and Guatemala are the Kings. Nothing can compare.

They're the most impressive clocks ever built.

 

[Tesseract]

iss is pretty fucking fantastic

 

[wanderingprostheyltite]

The Pyramids in Egypt, and The Pyramids in Guatemala, are by far the most impressive structures ever built.

Just on a technical and functional level, and also because of their flawless relation to the stars, nothing comes close.

The level of accuracy... Let's just say that it's precision that can cut a line through your dick.

Again, on a functional and technical level, the Pyramids in Egypt and Guatemala are the Kings. Nothing can compare.

They're the most impressive clocks ever built.

Isn't the Pyramid of the Sun constructed in such perfect alignment that on the spring equinox you can see a line of sunlight perfectly cast down the side of the steps, forming the "body" of the serpent whose head rests at the bottom? Always thought that was some badass implementation of astronomy and engineering know-how.

 

[DOWN]

iss is pretty fucking fantastic

That's not on Earth

 

[Loxley]

Nothing impresses me more than the mount Rushmore.

I would be able to appreciate Mount Rushmore way more if its placement didn't make it one giant middle finger to the Native American tribes of the Black Hills. This article from PBS covers it pretty well.

The creation of Mount Rushmore is a story of struggle -- and to some, desecration. The Black Hills are sacred to the Lakota Sioux, the original occupants of the area when white settlers arrived. For some, the four presidents carved in the hill are not without negative symbolism. The Sioux have never had much luck dealing with white men.

In the Treaty of 1868, the U.S. government promised the Sioux territory that included the Black Hills in perpetuity. Perpetuity lasted only until gold was found in the mountains and prospectors migrated there in the 1870s. The federal government then forced the Sioux to relinquish the Black Hills portion of their reservation.

These events fit the pattern of the late 19th century, a time of nearly constant conflict between the American government and Plains Indians. At his second presidential inauguration in 1873, Ulysses S. Grant reflected the attitudes of many whites when he said he favored a humane course to bring Native Americans "under the benign influences of education and civilization. It is either this or war of extermination." Many of the land's original occupants did not choose to assimilate; for them war, was the only option.

In 1927, with a history of turmoil as a background, a white man living in Connecticut came into the Black Hills and dynamited and drilled the faces of four white men onto Mount Rushmore. At the outset of the project, Gutzon Borglum had persuaded South Dakota state historian Doane Robinson the presidents would give the work national significance, rejecting Robinson's initial suggestion that the sculpture honor the West's greatest heroes, both Native Americans and pioneers.

The insult of Rushmore to some Sioux is at least three-fold:

1. It was built on land the government took from them.
2. The Black Hills in particular are considered sacred ground.
3.The monument celebrates the European settlers who killed so many Native Americans and appropriated their land.

 

[MrCunningham]

I could take the source from each photo from a credible source and put them together myself. Finding one already done just saved me time, it doesnt change the fact that the architecture is very similar.

Here is another example I posted on the last page.

egypt

Peru

Look at the corners!!

I'm not sayong its impossible but if if these were built by people who learned this independently then that is amazing.

Look at the right corner.. these are probably the only 2 places this sort of stonework has ever been done. They way the stone is cut in the right corner is mind boggling that 2 different cultures across the globe from each other learned building techniques so similar independently.


Also Easter Island has stone walls with the same style of rock placement. Its not just rocks either, these are huge megalithic stones, shits not easy. Easter Island is also one of the most remote places on earth.

I think this shit is fascinating. I'm open to the idea of something other that each ancient civilization learning how to do this independently.

This is the wall on Easter Island

The Freemasons really got around.

But honestly, it is fascinating. Some of these examples really do look like they used the same methods and were built by the same people despite being on the opposite sides of the globe and developed by different cultures.

 

[Fata1moose]

I think that its pretty unlikely that they learned that skill independently. The skill it takes to cut and place stones like that and how that specific way of stacking huge ones with the little ones is what makes those structures earthquake proof is unreal. Thats not a random placement of rock since the exact pattern is used in both places. It is also repeated throughout each structure.

Here is another example

egypt

Peru

Look at the corners!!

The Incas cut the stone before they moved it, if you look at the quarries. They'd shape the rocks and then drag them to where they were placed, sometimes miles away. Then push them up a wooden plank. If that was one of the few ways to go about doing something then it's going to add up to similar results.

 

[BigJonsson]

Isn't the Pyramid of the Sun constructed in such perfect alignment that on the spring equinox you can see a line of sunlight perfectly cast down the side of the steps, forming the "body" of the serpent whose head rests at the bottom? Always thought that was some badass implementation of astronomy and engineering know-how.

Chichen Itza also has things aligned perfectly for the equinox and other holidays

 

[kess]

I would be able to appreciate Mount Rushmore way more if its placement didn't make it one giant middle finger to the Native American tribes of the Black Hills. This article from PBS covers it pretty well.

That's pretty bad, but putting a bunch of Confederates on the face of Stone Mountain, the place where the KKK was ritually "reborn", in the middle of a majority black county, and then putting a theme park underneath it is probably the pinnacle of bad taste.

I mean, the carving is well done, but...

 

[Omega Ultimus]

That's pretty bad, but putting a bunch of Confederates on the face of Stone Mountain, the place where the KKK was ritually "reborn", in the middle of a majority black county, and then putting a theme park underneath it is probably the pinnacle of bad taste.

I mean, the carving is well done, but...

Not that I want to turn this into some sort of "Which is the Greater Monument to Violent Racism" game, but the Sioux were virtually hunted, had land stolen from them, and were denied even a modicum of respect with the carving of Mt. Rushmore. The fact that it's seen still seen as an American icon speaks volumes, compared to a carving that most would clamor for the removal of and is fairly unknown, only enhances the downplay of Native American strife throughout the United States' history (and pre-history, as well).

I apologize if this came off as aggressive, it's just tragic to me that people ignore the plight of the various Native American tribes (this stems from being taught the history of my own tribal relations by my grandfather at an early age).

 

[videogamer]

Not even close.
Gaudy garbage.

At least it has AC, running water... all the things the ancient Egyptians didn't have.

 

[neorej]

I don't know man. Have you seen Titanfall?

To me, the pyramids are in a long line of wondrous constructions we built on earth, from the Great Wall to the Nazca Lines, and MachuPicchu to Stonehenge. All equally impressive in their own right.

 

[Tesseract]

That's not on Earth

i qualified it all sneakily like in my edit

 

[Kibbles]

Yeaaaah, the pyramids have been fucked up because of sandstorms, the intense sun, rain, wind, etc. They used to be covered smooth limestone, the pyramids were slopped like a triangle, not like a set of stairs.

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2011/04/the-pyramids-of-giza-were-originally-white/

From that link

[Contrary to popular belief, it is no longer thought that the pyramids of Giza were built by slaves. Archeological evidence shows that the worker’s town comprised of whole families, not just men as would have been the case if they were slaves. Further, the people were extremely well taken care of including the highest quality health care available at the time and they were also extremely well fed. These and other such hints from the past, relatively recently discovered, seem to indicate that the laborers were there of their own volition.

School was all a lieeee

 

[Trey]

Modern cities, large hadron collider, certain huge ass buildings.

 

[kess]

Not that I want to turn this into some sort of "Which is the Greater Monument to Violent Racism" game, but the Sioux were virtually hunted, had land stolen from them, and were denied even a modicum of respect with the carving of Mt. Rushmore. The fact that it's seen still seen as an American icon speaks volumes, compared to a carving that most would clamor for the removal of and is fairly unknown, only enhances the downplay of Native American strife throughout the United States' history (and pre-history, as well).

I apologize if this came off as aggressive, it's just tragic to me that people ignore the plight of the various Native American tribes (this stems from being taught the history of my own tribal relations by my grandfather at an early age).

Point taken, unfortunately the true story of Mount Rushmore is unknown to most Americans too. Destruction is not an option at either of these places, so education is the least one can do. The interwar period was loaded with quasi-heraldric founder worship with an almost hagiographic reverence. Note that almost all American coins minted during that same period transitioned to dead presidents.

Rushmore means something much different to a lot of Americans, which is where things get a little tricky. It's assumed that it was built with high ideals in mind.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

The Incas cut the stone before they moved it, if you look at the quarries. They'd shape the rocks and then drag them to where they were placed, sometimes miles away. Then push them up a wooden plank. If that was one of the few ways to go about doing something then it's going to add up to similar results.

If they cut those corner joints at the quarry then placed them as is at the construction site then thats just further evidence of shared knowledge IMO. The amount of planning that would take is stupendous. These are not simple blocks. Look at the stone up and to the right of the doorway in the Peru photo, its in a '9' shape and is part of both faces of the front and right side wall. That is incredible. What purpose does that technique serve? Its done the exact same way in egypt. It really looks like thats is a learned skill and not a natural progression of building styles IMO. It might be reaching a bit but to me thats like them having a similar language without any common ancestry.

The corner stones are single blocks on the right hand side, not lined up at right angles like on the left side, this is such an unorthodox technique its making me scratch my head that they both used it.

 

[Soriku]

I'm struggling to understand why these structures would be any less impressive if they were created by aliens.

 

[grandwizard]

Nothing brings out the conspiracy theories, ancient aliens, and slavery dismissals like having to face the fact that black and brown people created something incredible and did it before anyone else.

That couldn't be it right?! Nope, must have been Stargate.

 

[Soriku]

Nothing brings out the conspiracy theories, ancient aliens, and slavery dismissals like having to face the fact that black and brown people created something incredible and did it before anyone else.

That couldn't be it right?! Nope, must have been Stargate.

Aliens are black and brown. What now.

 

[Fata1moose]

Nothing brings out the conspiracy theories, ancient aliens, and slavery dismissals like having to face the fact that black and brown people created something incredible and did it before anyone else.

That couldn't be it right?! Nope, must have been Stargate.

But in the case of the pyramids, they would be black or brown regardless of whether they were slaves or not...

 

[WoodWERD]

Subscribing for future travels.

 

[Despera]

So I keep reading that some of the stuff ancient egyptians came up with back then, from materials to chemical compounds to architectural techniques, can not be replicated today... to what extent is this true?

 

[Meowster]

Putting aside the controversies around it's whole existence, the Crazy Horse memorial in South Dakota would be fucking incredible if it were ever to be finished (which it probably won't, thanks in part to said controversies). It would be the largest natural sculpture in the world.



Here's what it would look like upon completion, with the sculpture itself off in the distance.

This is literally incredible, first I have ever heard of this. Shame that it probably won't ever be finished (justifiably so) after skimming through some of the controversies behind it on its Wikipedia article.

 

[Auto-Reply]

I was kinda baffled by how much trash is flying around the actual site of the pyramids (having seen the Karl Pilkington Show).

 

[Particle Physicist]

Amir0x clarified my post, but the ruins are still there. It was built on a small hill to appear more imposing.

I had no idea about this. Where is it in relation to the other pyramids?

 

[Bold One]

Putting aside the controversies around it's whole existence, the Crazy Horse memorial in South Dakota would be fucking incredible if it were ever to be finished (which it probably won't, thanks in part to said controversies). It would be the largest natural sculpture in the world.



Here's what it would look like upon completion, with the sculpture itself off in the distance.

I am getting some serious Bioshock Infinite Columbia vibes from this...

 

[Samarqand]

My top3:
Wuppertal Suspension Railway

Waldspirale

Millau Viaduct

 

[freethought]

If they cut those corner joints at the quarry then placed them as is at the construction site then thats just further evidence of shared knowledge IMO. The amount of planning that would take is stupendous. These are not simple blocks. Look at the stone up and to the right of the doorway in the Peru photo, its in a '9' shape and is part of both faces of the front and right side wall. That is incredible. What purpose does that technique serve? Its done the exact same way in egypt. It really looks like thats is a learned skill and not a natural progression of building styles IMO. It might be reaching a bit but to me thats like them having a similar language without any common ancestry.

The corner stones are single blocks on the right hand side, not lined up at right angles like on the left side, this is such an unorthodox technique its making me scratch my head that they both used it.

So you didn't watch that video I posted?