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Tom Warren : Hardly anyone has Scarlett dev kits because Microsoft are planning to surprise Sony

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The surface looks pretty cool. If you read the rest of the post, you'll see how well that fits me saying they react to the market and copy and aren't the ones paving the path themselves.

It's not like MS kept a hardware launch secret from everyone including the people making its software because they wanted to be the first ones to reveal the tablet. Apple created the tablet. Like always, MS copied what was doing well and this one time, they copied well.

This is where everyone points out that tablets existed before the ipad and so everything I said is wrong and MS is the most creative hardware company to ever exist
You are a true seer and you are correct; Apple copied and popularized what MS did in 2001
 
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Your insider tomwarren folks :messenger_tears_of_joy:


 

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If tht isn't a shill fanboy comment from a so called professional idk what is 😂He makes himself look like a dick and a fanboy. Tht better memory situation this gen by Sony got these dudes in their feelings. Dick, it's common sense both companies are holding their specs close to their chest because they both want to keep their full specs and plans secret. Tht surprise statement was just so superflous.
 

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Surprise Sony and all of us with 1st party games comparable in quality to Sony/Nintendo
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Idk who tf Tom Warren is and im just as skeptical as any realistic gamer. I hope its the case, don't need another one sided gen again.

But if history repeats itself... Ps2 > XBOX , Xbox 360 > Ps3, Ps4 > Xone..... then Xbox Next > Ps5 is very possible. But we'll have to wait and see.
PS3 beat 360 in my book . Sure the 360 had a good start and was a better online machine throughout the gen but PS3 had the superior games library and ended outselling the 360 in the end. 360's later half in the gen was not impressive, they were just coasting at the end while sony kept pumping games out.

anyways I dont think that back and forth trend will turn out to be true. Microsoft just does not have the guns to beat sony anymore IMO they bought some new studios which is the only thing that could make things competitive again but that remains to be seen. Obsidian,the initiative and ninja theory were good buys for sure.

on the other hand, sony has only acquired insomniac which is a huge studio btw but all of their studios have Evolved massively. Once studios get a certain reputation for quality such as naughty dog or rockstar games, it just snowballs into consumer trust and hype.

-Guerilla games has gained a lot of respect with the success of horizon ZD, it put the studio on the map big time
-insomniac's spiderman is HUGE success and seller and has put the studio up there with the greats.
-Naughty Dog is arguably in the top 3 most talented studio in the whole industry as always
-Sucker punch has also EVOLVED with ghost of tsushima it seems they have made a LEAP and taken things to the next level. Ghost of tsushina will earn the studio a lot of respect and put it on the map
-Santa monica has arguably reached naughty dog's level of quality and reputation
-Sony bend while Days gone failed to be a huge success but a sequel is on its way and might just be what the studio needs now that they got their feet wet in the AAA realm.

Microsoft best studio's are racing game makers. they could acquire as many studios as they want but if all they are capable of is making 60-75 metascore games on average what good it it? My money's on PS5 as the winner.
 

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Does it matter? Most games are made in unreal and that other engine. So isnt it more about epic games having the engine ready for ps5 and xbox 2 and providing support to those developers....
 
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PS3 beat 360 in my book . Sure the 360 had a good start and was a better online machine throughout the gen but PS3 had the superior games library and ended outselling the 360 in the end. 360's later half in the gen was not impressive, they were just coasting at the end while sony kept pumping games out.

anyways I dont think that back and forth trend will turn out to be true. Microsoft just does not have the guns to beat sony anymore IMO they bought some new studios which is the only thing that could make things competitive again but that remains to be seen. Obsidian,the initiative and ninja theory were good buys for sure.

on the other hand, sony has only acquired insomniac which is a huge studio btw but all of their studios have Evolved massively. Once studios get a certain reputation for quality such as naughty dog or rockstar games, it just snowballs into consumer trust and hype.

-Guerilla games has gained a lot of respect with the success of horizon ZD, it put the studio on the map big time
-insomniac's spiderman is HUGE success and seller and has put the studio up there with the greats.
-Naughty Dog is arguably in the top 3 most talented studio in the whole industry as always
-Sucker punch has also EVOLVED with ghost of tsushima it seems they have made a LEAP and taken things to the next level. Ghost of tsushina will earn the studio a lot of respect and put it on the map
-Santa monica has arguably reached naughty dog's level of quality and reputation
-Sony bend while Days gone failed to be a huge success but a sequel is on its way and might just be what the studio needs now that they got their feet wet in the AAA realm.

Microsoft best studio's are racing game makers. they could acquire as many studios as they want but if all they are capable of is making 60-75 metascore games on average what good it it? My money's on PS5 as the winner.

Like I said "wait and see". Opinions and assumptions are just that, not fact.

I will most likely own both consoles next gen again. No emotional attachment to either. I can equally criticize and compliment each for what I like and dislike.

I just want a competitive next gen. Good news for either doesn't trigger me like most the fanboys here.
 

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PS3 beat 360 in my book . Sure the 360 had a good start and was a better online machine throughout the gen but PS3 had the superior games library and ended outselling the 360 in the end. 360's later half in the gen was not impressive, they were just coasting at the end while sony kept pumping games out.

anyways I dont think that back and forth trend will turn out to be true. Microsoft just does not have the guns to beat sony anymore IMO they bought some new studios which is the only thing that could make things competitive again but that remains to be seen. Obsidian,the initiative and ninja theory were good buys for sure.

on the other hand, sony has only acquired insomniac which is a huge studio btw but all of their studios have Evolved massively. Once studios get a certain reputation for quality such as naughty dog or rockstar games, it just snowballs into consumer trust and hype.

-Guerilla games has gained a lot of respect with the success of horizon ZD, it put the studio on the map big time
-insomniac's spiderman is HUGE success and seller and has put the studio up there with the greats.
-Naughty Dog is arguably in the top 3 most talented studio in the whole industry as always
-Sucker punch has also EVOLVED with ghost of tsushima it seems they have made a LEAP and taken things to the next level. Ghost of tsushina will earn the studio a lot of respect and put it on the map
-Santa monica has arguably reached naughty dog's level of quality and reputation
-Sony bend while Days gone failed to be a huge success but a sequel is on its way and might just be what the studio needs now that they got their feet wet in the AAA realm.

Microsoft best studio's are racing game makers. they could acquire as many studios as they want but if all they are capable of is making 60-75 metascore games on average what good it it? My money's on PS5 as the winner.
No love for Japan Studio (Astro Bot) and Sony London (Blood and Truth)?

Xbox VR games have an average metascore of 0 (zero), this is relevant (will be even more next gen).
 

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No love for Japan Studio (Astro Bot) and Sony London (Blood and Truth)?

Xbox VR games have an average metascore of 0 (zero), this is relevant (will be even more next gen).
japan studio has been a huge disappointment this gen with the exception of Gravity rush 2. I heard rumors that they were working on a big top secret AAA final fantasy type RPG and nothing happened all gen. All they did this gen was the fantastic Gravity rush 2 and knack 1/2, games most people did not care for. Sony japan should be making big budget AAA Japanese games a la square enix but they have the studio doing smaller budget games. How on earth does Sucker punch make ghost of tsushima an awesome mature AAA action game set in JAPAN. But the SONY JAPAN is making knack? It makes no sense. Even sony bend got their feet wet in the AAA space. A lot of waste is going on at that studio. Have sony japan studio Make something big for once.

outsource all the VR stuff and have your in house studios work on the big games.

Sony london should be making the getaway or something on that level as well. they made a great VR game but they should move on to bigger things. just my two cents

ready at dawn should be bought by sony, I see a lot of potential with that studio. The order 1886 was great experience that begs for improvement.
 
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Btw he was also hinting 4 and 12 yesterday. If i had to guess it would be 4TF Lockhart vs 12TF Anaconda. No way are they getting 12TF RDNA.

It sounds like he’s being fed old info, which was 4 and 12 GCN.
 
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So cute to watch these little tiny plastic soldiers getting triggered and coming up with downplaying little comments...aweeeee ...aweee 🤭🤣🤣🤣☺

E3 will be on fire, Scarlet will be more powerful by a landslide with AAA first party ready at launch.

cannot wait what "they" going to come up with then.."bu..bu it's going to sell majority of units just in US" bish excuse card.

Why so much hate anything MS and this grown ass men warriorism still exist?..my bad!!! I keep forgetting that majority of members at Gaf is euros from Sony lands, shiii, makes sense now ☝🤔

Anyways, I Always Get and support both at launch 💪😃
 
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ms could surprise sony with a dual gpu. I mean they could, or maybe sell a 30 fps + a 60 fps versions of the console with single/dual gpus at cheaper/more expensive price points ._.
 

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Your insider tomwarren folks :messenger_tears_of_joy:



Dudes been in the reporting biz for MS for about 20 years or so. Sometimes you get stuff right, sometimes you get stuff wrong. It's stinky being a real reporter at times.
 
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If "Hardly anyone has Scarlet dev kits"... there won't be many games at launch.
Lol, they'll be fine. But I think it's a smart strategy to keep the 3rd parties in the dark as long as possible, because they WILL leak everything. And I have to admit having a "Sony style" surprise at a MS gaming event sounds cool.
 
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The surface looks pretty cool. If you read the rest of the post, you'll see how well that fits me saying they react to the market and copy and aren't the ones paving the path themselves.

It's not like MS kept a hardware launch secret from everyone including the people making its software because they wanted to be the first ones to reveal the tablet. Apple created the tablet. Like always, MS copied what was doing well and this one time, they copied well.

This is where everyone points out that tablets existed before the ipad and so everything I said is wrong and MS is the most creative hardware company to ever exist
I didnt just mean the Surface Pro. And Apple made iPad Pro to copy Surface Pro. And they copied a lot like the magnetically attaching pens and the more recent desktop like features. Honestly, the Surface tablets are very different from iPad/Android tablets. They were in work for a while and 'tablet computer' will be a more appropriate term.
But thats just about the tablet
The first OG Surface(which eventually became Surface Hub) was shown in 2007

And this is what it has evolved in to

And thers the Surface Studio. I remember when it was first announced all my friends were like 'WTF is this', the video got 11 million views but it was removed from YouTube

Or the Surface Book

Or the recently announced Surface Neo and Surface Duo


Even though it has the same form factor as Macbook and Dell Xps, the Surface Laptop 3 is much more repairable and even has upgardable ssd option.

Ah I forgot the hololens

Not innovative enough ? The next Surface Studio will be modular


 
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Microsoft won't allow themselves to have a weaker system ever again, if no one has devkits it won't matter since console differences are dwindling. MS would rather spend money helping companies port their early content and have the better system.
 

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Dudes been in the reporting biz for MS for about 20 years or so. Sometimes you get stuff right, sometimes you get stuff wrong. It's stinky being a real reporter at times.
Reporting is one thing but a track record of being first hand source of insider leaks is completely different. Can you brief me on this extensive track record?
 
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Lol, they'll be fine. But I think it's a smart strategy to keep the 3rd parties in the dark as long as possible, because they WILL leak everything. And I have to admit having a "Sony style" surprise at a MS gaming event sounds cool.
Launch is next fall.. How on earth will they have time if they don't get the kits until winter or even early spring
 
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Budgets are set, tech doesn't advance just because you want it to, so there can't be a significant power difference. It's not like current gen, where 0.5tf made a difference. 1tf difference next-gen is nothing but a costly mistake and extra hardware strain.
Adding the lack of appeal the Xbox brand has in EU/Asia, this surprise is, very likely, America centered. Probably a 1 year discount card of 10% in Doritos and Mountain Dew with every Xbox2...
 
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Launch is next fall.. How on earth will they have time if they don't get the kits until winter or even early spring
Developers know the general specs and are working with updated SDKs on PC. Finalized PS4 and Xb1 Dev kits didn’t go out until the E3 before they launched.

The same will happen this time, and somebody is making something out of nothing.
 

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Developers know the general specs and are working with updated SDKs on PC. Finalized PS4 and Xb1 Dev kits didn’t go out until the E3 before they launched.

The same will happen this time, and somebody is making something out of nothing.
Thing is you have to decide whether finalised dev kits are not out yet, but third parties have dev kits that are maybe one iteration away from that or that they are behind with dev kits and what they have now (about 12 months from launch) is far from what is expected or what the competition has and then you have to try to argue that it is a good thing.

I believe we are closer to the former than anything as the last time they were a bit behind was only saved by the fact PS3 was even further behind (Xbox 360 switching quite wildly lowering CPU performance in the final dev kit compared to the initial desktop PowerPC based offering).

If MS were considerably behind Sony giving a stable and performant dev kit to devs, the only way it would be good news would be if they were massively over performing then with the final HW to the point of brute forcing their way through issues... and I do not see this being the case.
 
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Thomas Mahler from Moon Studios
"Honestly, everybody pretty much knows what the specs will be. It doesn’t really matter if you have a devkit or not. "

 
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Thomas Mahler from Moon Studios
"Honestly, everybody pretty much knows what the specs will be. It doesn’t really matter if you have a devkit or not. "

Probably true. It's not exactly a surprise, that the PS5 and Scarlett will be more or less the same. SSD, Ryzen, Navi and about 16 GB of RAM. I doubt 3rd party devs really care if one of the consoles have 13,2 TF compared to the oppositions 13 TF.
 
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Probably true. It's not exactly a surprise, that the PS5 and Scarlett will be more or less the same. SSD, Ryzen, Navi and about 16 GB of RAM. I doubt 3rd party devs really care if one of the consoles have 13,2 TF compared to the oppositions 13 TF.
I respect his views, as more of a non technical creative, but if you are trying to take advantage of the unique specs of the new platforms and positions yourself well for launch, having stable SDK’s earlier rather than late is a big help.
Of course it is also not going to matter if you are designing cross generation titles where higher resolution, ramped up effects and texture quality, as well as bit reduced loading times are what you are aiming at. The more ambitious your game it is and the later you get access to stable tools the more work you will be crunching away at in the hopes not to release buggy software at launch and patch it for weeks to come.
 
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Lol, they'll be fine. But I think it's a smart strategy to keep the 3rd parties in the dark as long as possible, because they WILL leak everything. And I have to admit having a "Sony style" surprise at a MS gaming event sounds cool.
It can sound cool, but it would be a bit more a Nintendo’s Dream Team like approach than I would like. What I like about Sony consoles is their close relationship with third parties while at the same time providing strong first party titles that pave the way and fill genre gaps in the platform too. With close partners keeping them intentionally in the dark would be less than ideal and I do not think MS is really doing that. The 8 GB surprise did not mean the develops were kept in the dark about everything else and had very late dev kits.
 
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It's impossible to surprise with hardware, the lead times and sheer amount of people involved see to that. The only time hardware is a surprise is when it is something people didn't care about in the first place. As far as devkits go you don't need a devkit to start initial development of your game, particularly not for a Microsoft platform. Target middle-of-the-road PC performance and get to work.
 
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It can sound cool, but it would be a bit more a Nintendo’s Dream Team like approach than I would like. What I like about Sony consoles is their close relationship with third parties while at the same time providing strong first party titles that pave the way and fill genre gaps in the platform too. With close partners keeping them intentionally in the dark would be less than ideal and I do not think MS is really doing that. The 8 GB surprise did not mean the develops were kept in the dark about everything else and had very late dev kits.
I understand what you're saying but EVERYTHING of MS' gets leaked. Their hardware and gaming announcements, even their ENTIRE schedule for E3 in the past has been leaked just hours before they took the stage.

So given the tight ship they've been running lately, it might be a safe guess that they have something they want to wow us with.

Or at least the desire to control their own message in this never ending landscape of narratives that people keep trying to apply to anything they can.
 
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I could only see MS surprising Sony by making the machine more powerful, and then either having to price it higher at launch or price it about the same as the PS5 and take a massive loss on each machine sold.

Or, MS could simply be blowing hot air right now.

Sony did backtrack on the whole "fastest console" thing, though, so who knows?
 

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Idk who tf Tom Warren is and im just as skeptical as any realistic gamer. I hope its the case, don't need another one sided gen again.

But if history repeats itself... Ps2 > XBOX , Xbox 360 > Ps3, Ps4 > Xone..... then Xbox Next > Ps5 is very possible. But we'll have to wait and see.
PS2 >>>>> xbox
PS3 ~= 360
PS4 >>> One

Fixed.

Also, xbox have never fought against PS outside of US, it have been slaughtered.

Just to remind that while it may look like xbox and Sony compete in US, outside of US xbox have never been really big or popular as Playstation.

They could do faster box and sell it cheaper, and still lose outside of US
 

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Thomas Mahler from Moon Studios
"Honestly, everybody pretty much knows what the specs will be. It doesn’t really matter if you have a devkit or not. "

So Mahler basically admits that even Moon Studios, a 1st party developer for MS doesn't have Scarlett kits yet either.

It sounds like Warren is being truthful about what he's claiming.
 
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