Trump blasts Obama DOJ as ‘corrupt machine,’ as Page transcript suggests Clinton case intervention

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President Trump on Wednesday seized on new revelations contained in transcripts from former FBI lawyer Lisa Page’s congressional testimony to hammer the Obama Justice Department as a “broken and corrupt machine.”

Those transcripts, released by House Judiciary Committee Republicans, appeared to show Page confirming that DOJ officials during the Hillary Clinton email investigation made clear to the FBI that they should not pursue Clinton for “gross negligence” in the handling of classified information.

The exchange came under questioning from Texas Republican Rep. John Ratcliffe during Page’s Hill appearance last year.
Page and since-fired FBI Special Agent Peter Strzok, who were romantically involved, exchanged numerous anti-Trump text messages in the lead-up to the 2016 presidential election, and Republicans have long accused the bureau of political bias.
"So let me if I can, I know I’m testing your memory," Ratcliffe began as he questioned Page under oath, according to a transcript excerpt he posted on Twitter. "But when you say advice you got from the Department, you’re making it sound like it was the Department that told you: You’re not going to charge gross negligence because we’re the prosecutors and we’re telling you we’re not going to —"
Page interrupted: "That is correct," as Ratcliffe finished his sentence, " -- bring a case based on that."

Ratcliffe on Tuesday tweeted that Page essentially confirmed that "the FBI was ordered by the Obama DOJ not to consider charging Hillary Clinton for gross negligence in the handling of classified information."
Page also testified that the DOJ and FBI had "multiple conversations ... about charging gross negligence," and the DOJ decided that the term was "constitutionally vague" and "had either never been done or had only been done once like 99 years ago," and so "they did not feel they could sustain a charge."

In July 2016, then-FBI Director James Comey publicly announced at a bombshell press conference that Clinton had been "extremely careless" in handling classified information, but insisted that "no reasonable prosecutor" would bring a case against her.

Federal law states that "gross negligence" in handling the nation’s intelligence can be punished criminally with prison time or fines, and there is no requirement that defendants act intentionally or recklessly.
Originally Comey accused the former secretary of state of being “grossly negligent” in handling classified information in a draft dated May 2, 2016, but that was modified to claim that Clinton had merely been “extremely careless” in a draft dated June 10, 2016.
Comey also said that "although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case."
He added that "prosecutors necessarily weigh a number of factors before bringing charges," including "the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent."

Comey took the unusual step of holding a press conference and announcing the FBI's purportedly independent conclusions because then-Obama Attorney General Loretta Lynch was spotted meeting secretly with former President Bill Clinton on an airport tarmac as the probe into Hillary Clinton, which Lynch was overseeing, continued.
Comey's conclusion that "no reasonable prosecutor" would bring a case against Clinton has become the subject of significant debate in recent weeks. It was revealed last month that FBI's top lawyer in 2016 thought Hillary Clinton and her team should have immediately realized they were mishandling "highly classified" information based on the obviously sensitive nature of the emails' contents sent through her private server.

And he believed she should have been prosecuted until "pretty late" in the investigation, according to a transcript of his closed-door testimony before congressional committees last October.
Strzok and Page were involved in the FBI’s initial counterintelligence investigation into Russian meddling and potential collusion with Trump campaign associates during the 2016 election, and later served on Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s team.
Among the texts between the two was one concerning the so-called "insurance policy." During her interview with the Judiciary Committee in July 2018, Page was questioned at length about that text -- and essentially confirmed this referred to the Russia investigation while explaining that officials were proceeding with caution, concerned about the implications of the case while not wanting to go at "total breakneck speed" and risk burning sources as they presumed Trump wouldn't be elected anyway.

Further, she confirmed investigators only had a "paucity" of evidence at the start. Comey, last December, similarly acknowledged that when the FBI initiated its counterintelligence probe into possible collusion between Trump campaign officials and the Russian government in July 2016, investigators "didn't know whether we had anything" and that "in fact, when I was fired as director [in May 2017], I still didn't know whether there was anything to it."


It’s all coming out now! The ‘insurance policy’, Obama’s DOJ interfering with an investigation. 😮


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tr...transcript-suggests-clinton-case-intervention
 
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This was suspected for quite a while, but it's shameful that it actually came to light as the truth. :messenger_persevering:

These agencies are supposed to be partisan but it appears they've been acting in any way but.

I'm not surprised this isn't getting more coverage. A year ago, the Page/Strzok situation was highly publicized and there were people across the political spectrum wondering what would come of it. But now it's crickets...
 
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I wish the average Democrat would take a deep breath and look at this mess from, at the very least, a centrist position. Two years of unfettered investigation and no Trump/Russian collusion. Yet we have the dossier, Obama's doj,fbis on TV talking coup, Hillary email scandal, Democrats taking out Bernie... the deep state is running around naked right now and CNN and the rest are reporting with their eyes closed, still stuck on orangemanbad. They haven't gotten anything right in months, yet people still use mainstream media to get their facts.
 
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This should be Breaking News on all networks, on the front page of every newspapers, on the top of /all on Reddit, etc, etc.

It tells you everything you need to know that it isn't and the Tim Apple comment was.

The media is truly the Enemy of the People.
They just don't want to jump to conclusions before we see more evidence. They're waiting on more facts. Wait and see.

Etc.
 

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Whats the problem here? I thought it was ok for the president to use his power to influence the FBI/DOJ and get charges dropped/reduced for their political ally, especially during an election.

Come on did you really want them to just hand Trump the election? Its Trump, gotta stop him at all costs.

Just like its no biggie that Obama got his FISA warrents based off a fake Dossier paid for by the DNC and Clinton. Playing the long game here.

Stop blaming Obama, clearly you are racist.

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They just don't want to jump to conclusions before we see more evidence. They're waiting on more facts. Wait and see.

Etc.
This is the preferred Deep State technique. Leak the truth bit by bit over a long period of time, so when the full truth drops people say "oh yeah, this is old news, we already knew this." The news will mention it during a quick 15 second segment then bury it. Real corruption doesn't dominate the news cycle, it's just a footnote.
 
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I still can't believe how Eric Holder survived the 'Fast and Furious' gun running scandal. I thought the Democrats want 'common sense' gun control laws, that ignore unenforced, existing laws regarding firearms.

And at the Federal level, too!
 
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This should be Breaking News on all networks, on the front page of every newspapers, on the top of /all on Reddit, etc, etc.

It tells you everything you need to know that it isn't and the Tim Apple comment was.

The media is truly the Enemy of the People.
It’s trending on Twitter 😂
 
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The Washington Post actually tried to spin Page's testimony as proof there was no bias, despite almost every paragraph highlighting another attempt by the DOJ to intervene in the investigation.
That's why MSM are the enemy of the people. They don't report facts, they spin narratives. Propagandists.
 
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The Washington Post actually tried to spin Page's testimony as proof there was no bias, despite almost every paragraph highlighting another attempt by the DOJ to intervene in the investigation.
They also claim to employ a conservative opinion writer who shits on Republicans every day and wants to see socialists win all the elections. They are the darkness that democracy dies in.
 
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So we're to believe a tweet from Trump who has a history of being extremely dishonest especially when it comes to stuff like this? Moreover, we're to believe a Fox News exclusive which has covered up stories about Trump? The 500 page Justice IG report did not catch this? Ya'll crazy if you think you're onto something without evidence. It sounds like another distration from Trump to keep eyes away from his campaign manager getting 8 year sentences and being charged with state crimes.

Except it has been largely debunked: https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/13/politics/trump-lisa-page-testimony/
 
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Guess you're not going to show me where they are wrong. If you need to respond with a GIF then it's obvious you have nothing further to offer.
 
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Guess you're not going to show me where they are wrong. If you need to respond with a GIF then it's obvious you have nothing further to offer.
You already lost the game when you played the "this news org is too biased to be trusted" trapcard while posting a news org that has a documented history of misrepresenting stories, one of the more recent ones has landed them in legal trouble. I was politely giving you the chance to see the irony, but you're too dense.

There, I explained it. Can I go back to using gifs now?
 
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That's funny because the original source is Fox News who have been sued many times. Fox News has a very long history of being dishonest even more so than CNN. Moreover, Trump is more dishonest than any news source out there and he's the source. The best part is you're using Covington as your example. That lawsuit is unlikely to go anywhere. It does not stand as proof of anything bad occurring.

So you're not going to rebuke the facts and would rather use an unsettled court case as your example? I see now why you revert to GIFs rather than discussing the facts from the IG report. You offer nothing of value to this discussion.
 
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That's funny because the original source is Fox News who have been sued many times. Fox News has a very long history of being dishonest even more so than CNN. Moreover, Trump is more dishonest than any news source out there and he's the source. The best part is you're using Covington as your example. That lawsuit is unlikely to go anywhere. It does not stand as proof of anything bad occurring.

So you're not going to rebuke the facts and would rather use an unsettled court case as your example? I see now why you revert to GIFs rather than discussing the facts from the IG report. You offer nothing of value to this discussion.
'This discussion' is about how you unironically cited CNN while crying about Fox News' credibility.

That's it. The fact that I'm explaining it to you yet again is embarrassing.
 

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I like how news is dismissed based on which outlet reports it, which may explain why one party seems to have a bigger echo chamber than the other and also constantly think they never make any missteps and it's always the other sides fault if they make a mistake avoiding all self-reflection.
 
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I like how news is dismissed based on which outlet reports it, which may explain why one party seems to have a bigger echo chamber than the other and also constantly think they never make any missteps and it's always the other sides fault if they make a mistake avoiding all self-reflection.
Media got bought by big corporations comcast, time warner, at&t they spin narratives to the bias for their owners and have become extensions of the political parties they dont just inform anymore they sell narratives to their political sides. And considering most are liberal leaning yeah you get a lot more liberal bullshit half trues, still fox is easily hanging in there as well but crap like msnbc are now easily worse than foxnews.
 
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That's funny because the original source is Fox News who have been sued many times. Fox News has a very long history of being dishonest even more so than CNN. Moreover, Trump is more dishonest than any news source out there and he's the source. The best part is you're using Covington as your example. That lawsuit is unlikely to go anywhere. It does not stand as proof of anything bad occurring.

So you're not going to rebuke the facts and would rather use an unsettled court case as your example? I see now why you revert to GIFs rather than discussing the facts from the IG report. You offer nothing of value to this discussion.
They are both horrible, CNN isn't any better than FOX and vice versa.

‘Oh but FOX has been sued more than CNN, so CNN is better and I better believe everything they say’. - Homs
 
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That's funny because the original source is Fox News who have been sued many times. Fox News has a very long history of being dishonest even more so than CNN. Moreover, Trump is more dishonest than any news source out there and he's the source. The best part is you're using Covington as your example. That lawsuit is unlikely to go anywhere. It does not stand as proof of anything bad occurring.

So you're not going to rebuke the facts and would rather use an unsettled court case as your example? I see now why you revert to GIFs rather than discussing the facts from the IG report. You offer nothing of value to this discussion.
This is just embarrassing.

You just stated, in so many words;

"I'm so partisan, and Care so very little about the actual truth, I'm going to cite one lying mainstream media platform over the other, becuase they reflect my personal beliefs more then the other one"

I also like the use of the word "Fact". It would seem everyone who's not in the middle and critical of all news outlets, has a ton of them that seemingly line up with their politics and worldview.

Isnt that interesting?

Blinded by ideology.
 
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This is just embarrassing.

You just stated, in so many words;

"I'm so partisan, and Care so very little about the actual truth, I'm going to cite one lying mainstream media platform over the other, becuase they reflect my personal beliefs more then the other one"

I also like the use of the word "Fact". It would seem everyone who's not in the middle and critical of all news outlets, has a ton of them that seemingly line up with their politics and worldview.

Isnt that interesting?

Blinded by ideology.
The irony is amazing. That you can post that in the same thread that you go to bat for CNN is just...🤣
 
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This is just embarrassing.

You just stated, in so many words;

"I'm so partisan, and Care so very little about the actual truth, I'm going to cite one lying mainstream media platform over the other, becuase they reflect my personal beliefs more then the other one"

I also like the use of the word "Fact". It would seem everyone who's not in the middle and critical of all news outlets, has a ton of them that seemingly line up with their politics and worldview.

Isnt that interesting?

Blinded by ideology.
Please show me one single lie in the link I provided. For the clowns saying ItZ Cnn sO ItZ a liE and didn't bother to read it, it quotes Page and uses exerts from the 500 page IG report. Dispute that it debunks this claim or STFU.
 
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Please show me one single lie in the link I provided. For the clowns saying ItZ Cnn sO ItZ a liE and didn't bother to read it, it quotes Page and uses exerts from the 500 page IG report. Dispute that it debunks this claim or STFU.
Actually, I believe the burden of proof is on you to show where in the Fox article is lying.

Saying "it has been debunked" and throwing in some partisan smears against Fox isn't cutting it, which is why everyone in the thread is mocking your ineptitude.

Maybe step up and make a point or stop attempting to derail the thread over and over again?
 
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It's like I live in a meme. I post proof showing this claim holds no weight. Get responses that CNN lies and GIFs. So I share links showing how Fox News is even more dishonest. Then told I need to provide burden of proof which I've already posted in the first place. It's a circle of stupidity.

Almost a decade on GAF and I've never had to mute anyone before, but I am now finding it saves me the headache of dealing with people who will never get it.
 
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Almost a decade on GAF and I've never had to mute anyone before, but I am now finding it saves me the headache of dealing with people who will never get it.
No one cares, dude its a tool to be used thats why its here that this was your first time considering that old gaf especially in its "last" years was a leftwing crapshot ala resetera doesn't exactly speak for you.
But it must be refreshing for you to see that you actually can manage what you read yourself and dont need someone to ban people you disagree with, count it as success and get used to it.
 
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It's more of a heads up that they'll never get a reply. I enjoy engaging with those who have opposing opinions. There's nothing wrong with that. Trust me I visit some of worst cesspools on Reddit to engage with different views. However, there is something seriously wrong with those who go in circles and refuse to be honest. I don't have time for that. You replied so obviously you care. Otherwise, that remark would have gone unnoticed.
 
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Peter Strzok, the other FBI agent, whom Page was having an affair with, is also having his transcripts released. He testified that the DOJ and Clinton cut a deal severely limiting the FBI's access to her emails.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...inton-foundation-emails-on-her-private-server

Just for comparison, this is the equivalent of Michael Cohen or Roger Stone dictating what Mueller can and cannot look at.
 
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