Trump, Bolton reverse course on pulling troops from Syria

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https://www.npr.org/2019/01/06/6826...l-from-syria-is-conditional-on-defeat-of-isis

With the White House facing criticism over President Trump's decision to withdraw U.S. forces from Syria, National Security Adviser John Bolton on Sunday said the drawdown will be conditioned on the defeat of the Islamic State and the safety of Kurdish allies.

"There are objectives that we want to accomplish that condition the withdrawal," Bolton told reporters in Jerusalem, where he was traveling to assuage concerns over the troop pullback. "The timetable flows from the policy decisions that we need to implement."

Bolton is expected to tell Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that troops will remain at a base in Syria to counter Iranian activity, according to a senior U.S. administration official who spoke with NPR's Daniel Estrin.

Speaking from the White House, President Trump also said on Sunday that the withdrawal would be contingent on the defeat of remaining Islamic State forces.

"We won't be finally pulled out until ISIS is gone," Trump said before departing for Camp David.

The remarks represent a departure from the president's earlier statements about the timeline for U.S. involvement in Syria.
Defense Secretary Mattis resigned from the administration primarily because of the White House's original stance on the troop drawdown in Syria.
 
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Trump says withdrawing troops from Syria - MSM: Trump recklessly pulls all troops from Syria leaving a safe haven for terrorists and destabilizing the region


Trump plans a cautious withdrawal from the region to support allies in transition – MSM: Trump goes back on everything he said in regards to Syria withdrawal
 
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If Mattis was going to be so volatile and reactionary it is a good thing he resigned. He just proved he doesn't have the temperament to be Defense Secretary.
What was volatile about his reaction? He advised the President often against the original intent of the order, and a few weeks after his resignation Trump ultimately takes up Mattis' stance.

Trump says withdrawing troops from Syria - MSM: Trump recklessly pulls all troops from Syria leaving a safe haven for terrorists and destabilizing the region


Trump plans a cautious withdrawal from the region to support allies in transition – MSM: Trump goes back on everything he said in regards to Syria withdrawal
These are not mutually exclusive situations. In fact, they logically follow each other, given that Trump originally ordered an immediate withdrawal, and has since changed his mind and maintained troops in Syria.
 
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The timing, Trump announced that they were going to start pulling people out and he announced his resignation the same day. That is pretty volatile. The original idea was a slow pull out after reducing the forces by half, now it is an even slower pull out. People were acting like they were doing a complete overnight pull out. That was never the case. Trump was never going to listen to him in his remaining time after a "scathing resignation letter" so he lost his ear at that point. Lindsay Graham was probably responsible for this. He has the presidents ear even if they don't agree on other issues such as the Saudi situation.
 
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The timing, Trump announced that they were going to start pulling people out and he quit the same day. That is pretty volatile. The original idea was a slow pull out, now it is an even slower pull out. People were acting like they were doing a complete overnight pull out. That was never the case. Had he stayed on he could have slowed the pull out himself rather than have to rely on others to get in the presidents ear.
The President announced the drawdown as an immediate pullout, then said it would be over the course of four months, which is also relatively quick and leaves US allies in the region exposed with no support. These are the conditions Mattis quit over, because he tried to convince Trump over the weekend to reconsider.
 
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The timing, Trump announced that they were going to start pulling people out and he announced his resignation the same day. That is pretty volatile. The original idea was a slow pull out after reducing the forces by half, now it is an even slower pull out. People were acting like they were doing a complete overnight pull out. That was never the case. Trump was never going to listen to him in his remaining time after a "scathing resignation letter" so he lost his ear at that point. Lindsay Graham was probably responsible for this. He has the presidents ear even if they don't agree on other issues such as the Saudi situation.
Sounds like drama between high schools girls. Christ.
 
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Would you take the opinion of someone who just publicly roasted you in their resignation letter. It does sound like some 90210 politics. They should have just hashed it out at the peach pit.
 

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Would you take the opinion of someone who just publicly roasted you in their resignation letter. It does sound like some 90210 politics. They should have just hashed it out at the peach pit.
Mattis spent the entire weekend basically pleading with the president not to make that move. He resigned because he thought there was no changing the President's mind. In the end, it seems this news vindicated the former Secretary of Defense.
 

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Then he should have spent more than a weekend fighting for it. Believe in something, even if it means sacrificing more than a weekend.
Or the President could have heeded the prescient words of his far more experienced adviser, especially if Trump was going to do what Mattis suggested a month after he fired said adviser.
 
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Trump says withdrawing troops from Syria - MSM: Trump recklessly pulls all troops from Syria leaving a safe haven for terrorists and destabilizing the region


Trump plans a cautious withdrawal from the region to support allies in transition – MSM: Trump goes back on everything he said in regards to Syria withdrawal
Jesus you guys will make Trump the victim in every situation. Cucks.
 

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Absolutely sickening. Get the hell out of other people's countries. A war of aggression i.e. entering another nation uninvited is the supreme international crime and everyone involved in this from Obama onwards should be executed.
 
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John Bolton meets with Benjamin Netanyahu, now we have to stay in Syria. This is straight up pretext. He knows with this BS reasoning we will never be able to leave Syria. Even if ISIS is 100 percent defeated, there is still no way to ever guarantee the Kurds safety. John Bolton is a war mongering traitor, and has to go.
 
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Absolutely sickening. Get the hell out of other people's countries. A war of aggression i.e. entering another nation uninvited is the supreme international crime and everyone involved in this from Obama onwards should be executed.
Wait, what? Ummm....This...I think we need to have a chat.
 
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I got more information yesterday on this. So the real story on this is Obama launched a covert attack to overthrow the Syrian gov't. Now I don't know if was fully his decision or pressure from his generals on the ground but they started a silent war in Syria.

Once the coup failed the civil war begin and ISIS formed to take control. So...the entire refugee problem was caused by you guessed it, Uncle Sam.
 
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Great job defeating ISIS guys, we beat 'em pretty bad, we beat them so bad we gotta stay and defeat them again.

I can't even be mad at his apologists anymore, I'm starting to see the humor in this massive joke.


Absolutely sickening. Get the hell out of other people's countries. A war of aggression i.e. entering another nation uninvited is the supreme international crime and everyone involved in this from Obama onwards should be executed.
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Not a good look to flip flop like that.

My original stance was that US shouldn't be meddling in Syria, and its only concern would be to protect its main allies (Jordan/Egypt/Israel) and keep Iran out. If they can do that and withdraw their troops at the same time then perfect.

Syria will go back to Assad there is no stopping that now. Supporting the "rebels" won't lead anywhere.
 
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I will say it again. If USA moves out of Syria the Kurds are done for. Erdogan and Assad will exterminate every last one of them. And yes this means genocide. US can move out when the world got rid of Erdogan and Assad.
 
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This is actually 10 dimensional chess by Trump to make those who criticized his immediate pullout announcement look foolish. Those who understand strategy are sitting in awe of Trump the master right now.
 
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I will say it again. If USA moves out of Syria the Kurds are done for. Erdogan and Assad will exterminate every last one of them. And yes this means genocide. US can move out when the world got rid of Erdogan and Assad.
Sweet, so fucking never. Another endless war in the Middle East.

Can we get a single president with the fucking balls to end this worthless crap?
 
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Very disappointing. Americans and innocent civilians should not be put at risk to perpetuate this proxy war. The goal is not pragmatic and a lot of people are going to continue to die who didn't sign up for this. Sad stuff.
 
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Terrible decision. I'm hoping we still get out of the conflict -- ISIS is defeated, after all -- and stop wasting money and lives there.

We already have 1000 bases around the world. Those precious "defense" bux aren't going anywhere. But let's spend it in places that don't turn around and kill us 10 years later.
 
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Looks like warhawks haven't been able to impede the withdrawal process:

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/2545735002

The U.S. military began the process of withdrawing its troops from Syria following a drawdown ordered by President Donald Trump, a military official said Friday.
Saw some polling on the Intercept that found a plurality of Americans want out. Of course some Democrats are aligning with neoconservatives because Trump is "going about it the wrong way."
 
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Looks like warhawks haven't been able to impede the withdrawal process:

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/2545735002



Saw some polling on the Intercept that found a plurality of Americans want out. Of course some Democrats are aligning with neoconservatives because Trump is "going about it the wrong way."
This article says they moved some equipment from forward bases, but it doesn't specify where. US officials under a condition of anonymity said they were researching bases to store said equipment.

Sounds, at most, like a consequence of confusion.