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Trump encourages cops to rough up suspects, cops cheer

On st Patricks day you are probably saying St. Pattys day, not Paddy, or at least it can be thought that you are, so its different.

Noone has corrected this so I will. It is St Paddy's Day. People in Ireland with the name Patrick are very commonly called Paddy. It sometimes can be used offensively but in the case of St Patrick's Day it is correct.
http://paddynotpatty.com
 
The cops cheering this is more disgusting than Trump saying it. He's an amoral force who does or says anything that he thinks an audience will like, and it's the reaction of said marks that demonstrates the real rot at the heart of things.

All one needs to know of cops is that the types of dudes who were cops pre-Serpico are the kinds of dudes that are cops post-Serpico. The field is not fundamentally different, it just has better PR thanks to getting in bed with conservatives. It's not a matter of bad apples, it's a matter of a bushel coated in every drug-resistant pathogen one can think of.
 

The Kree

Banned
I'm well aware of history, but how do those arms protect you from the police specifically I'm asking you to walk me through this because on the surface your common sense is being thrown right out the window.

In this situation involving cops, how does being armed not 1) escalate the issue to another level immediately and 2) PROTECT YOU FROM THE POLICE!?!?

Some y'all need to think this through.

Direct your questions at the president and the cops. They're the ones openly advocating for the escalation of violence and terrorization of the minority population. They're the subject of the thread.

You'll probably be more satisfied with their answers than mine when they advocate that everybody roll over or die.
 

Chronoja

Member
It's a shitty and outdated and racist term - there's absolutely a reason to be pissed over this.

Anyone of Irish decent in this country has heard plenty of stories from family about the discrimination they faced. Paddy Wagon is a term a lot of people don't realize is a term about Irish people, and an unfortunate stereotype... But it is.

The fact that he used it so flippantly demonstrates a severe lack of perspective at best

Jesus...fucking...christ. Irish isn't a race, it's a nationality. And it's usage as a derogatory term is outdated but as actual Irish people in this thread have repeatedly pointed out, the term is so offensive that we paint it on the side of buses for tourists, so not fucking very. You have all the freedom in the world to be offended at how it may have been used, it's no doubt quite unpleasant, but any Irish person getting actually offended by it now would be an actual offence to actual minorities actually suffering from actual slurs in today's modern age, in ways no Irish person can even relate to.

The actual most offensive thing about this being brought up is that it's distracting from the actual offensive shit your President is endorsing. If you think the Irish are sore over a slang phrase used harshly over 200 years ago, get over it, we can handle it, focus more on the fact that you are edging nearer and nearer to a police state that got the greenlight to be SOMEHOW more hostile than they already are.
 

Jag

Member
The cops cheering this is more disgusting than Trump saying it. He's an amoral force who does or says anything that he thinks an audience will like, and it's the reaction of said marks that demonstrates the real rot at the heart of things.

All one needs to know of cops is that the types of dudes who were cops pre-Serpico are the kinds of dudes that are cops post-Serpico. The field is not fundamentally different, it just has better PR thanks to getting in bed with conservatives. It's not a matter of bad apples, it's a matter of a bushel coated in every drug-resistant pathogen one can think of.

There are good cops and there are bad cops, but most probably operate in the grey area and Trump just gave them to green light to commit felonies on innocent Americans. What the fuck.
 
Direct your questions at the president and the cops. They're the ones openly advocating for the escalation of violence and terrorization of the minority population. They're the subject of the thread.

You'll probably be more satisfied with their answers than mine when they advocate that everybody roll over or die.

Got it, you can't walk me through it because you can't actually make that situation work in favor of your MORE GUNS strategy. It's lack a certain, I dunno, common sense?
 

The Kree

Banned
Got it, you can't actually make that situation work in favor your MORE GUNS strategy.

Already explained it. If voting fails, protesting fails, reasoning fails, and your enemies take power and start working towards eroding your civil liberties, you should be prepared for the worst.

You just don't wanna hear my stance. That's your problem, not mine.
 
Already explained it. If voting fails, protesting fails, reasoning fails, and your enemies take power and start working towards eroding your civil liberties, you should be prepared for the worst.

You just don't wanna hear my stance. That's your problem, not mine.

I hear your stance, and I'm telling you it makes no sense, and you're unable to articulate to me how it could possibly make sense. Your arms ain't solving shit involving how police operate, and if anything, will only exacerbate the problem.

But yeah, continue on with this gun delusion America is all about.

(I recommend voting though, just for shits and giggles, and that includes local elections)
 

The Kree

Banned
I hear your stance, and I'm telling you it makes no sense, and you're unable to articulate to me how it could possibly make sense. Your arms ain't solving shit involving how police operate, and if anything, will only exacerbate the problem.

But yeah, continue on with this gun delusion America is all about.

(I recommend voting though, just for shits and giggles, and that includes local elections)

The president tells cops to start fucking people up more than they already are and you think it doesn't make sense to advocate self defense.

Like, that's a thing you need to have explained.

Amazing.

Also, yeah, keep voting if you live in a district that isn't gerrymandered to hell. Best case scenario is the legislative branch stays gridlocked for eternity.
 
The president tells cops to start fucking people up more than they already are and you think it doesn't make sense to advocate self defense.

Like, that's a thing you need to have explained.

Amazing.

Also, yeah, keep voting if you live in a district that isn't gerrymandered to hell. Best case scenario is the legislative branch stays gridlocked for eternity.

I'm amazed you're still not making sense.

You using self-defense against those cops, let alone with a damn firearm, means your ass is already cooked. You can't make that scenario work for you, or for anyone else, and it's sure as shit not having a positive effect on policy and/or criminal justice reform.
 

Carton

Member
Utterly disgraceful. As if there weren't enough issues with police violence, here is the president inciting further violence. He is a zealous pastor of imbecility.
 

Measley

Junior Member
Good luck getting the feds to investigate any civil rights issues within police departments. It's open season on poor people until Trump's presidency is over.
 

KSweeley

Member
Reactions from Baltimore City officials, also Baltimore Sun reports that supporters of Trump and police are saying what Trump said was "a joke", this is certaintly not a joke, it's highly disturbing and disgusting: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/breaking/bs-md-trump-police-20170728-story.html

July 28, 2017

President Donald Trump on Friday encouraged police officers to be rough with suspects they are placing in custody, an apparent joke Baltimore officials criticized as inappropriate in light of police reform efforts here and elsewhere.

Trump was speaking to officers in Suffolk County, New York, to highlight his administration’s efforts to crack down on illegal immigration and the street gang known as MS-13. But he took a moment to criticize police officers who he thinks treat suspects too gingerly.

“When you see these thugs being thrown into the back of a paddy wagon — you just see them thrown in, rough — I said, ‘Please don’t be too nice,’ ” Trump said, eliciting laughter from officers. “Like when you guys put somebody in the car and you’re protecting their head, you know, the way you put their hand over? Like, don’t hit their head and they’ve just killed somebody — don’t hit their head. I said, ‘You can take the hand away, okay?’”

A spokesman for Mayor Catherine Pugh characterized Trump’s comments as insensitive.

“Police misconduct or acts of brutality is not a joking matter,” Pugh spokesman Anthony McCarthy said. “We are working diligently in Baltimore to build relationships of trust and respect between our police officers and the community

Billy Murphy, an attorney speaking on behalf of Gray’s family, said Trump “should be condemned” for the statements.

“For a president of the United States to encourage the police with a wink and a nod to be violent to citizens ... shows that the president is not in any way committed to justice for all people,” he said.

Supporters of police and of Trump emphasized that his statements were a joke. The group Blue Lives Matter said the reaction was overblown.

"Do these people actually realize that this was a joke and not a policy change?" the group wrote on its website. "It seems not."


The president’s comments come as Baltimore‘s Police Department works to carry out sweeping reforms laid out under a consent decree with Trump’s Department of Justice. A federal judge approved the agreement in April, requiring city police to limit how and when they can engage suspects, to better train officers on how to interact with residents, and to enhance civilian oversight.

The Suffolk County Police Department issued a statement after Trump’s remarks. It said the department “has strict rules & procedures relating to the handling of prisoners. Violations of those rules are treated extremely seriously. As a department, we do not and will not tolerate roughing up of prisoners.”

Eric Kowalczyk, who served as the Baltimore Police Department’s spokesman during the unrest that followed Gray’s death, called the president’s comments “very disturbing” and said they only further damage tenuous relationships between police departments and minority communities across the country.

“Sometimes appropriate force is necessary,” Kowalczyk, who now works as a communications consultant, wrote on Twitter. “This disgusting call for violence is exactly why so many communities of color don't trust police!”

Both the American Civil Liberties Union and the NAACP Legal Defense Fund referenced Gray’s death in denouncing Trump’s statements. The legal defense fund said Trump’s “mocking of the treatment of arrestees as they are escorted into a police vehicle is particularly reprehensible in light of the police in-custody death of Freddie Gray in Baltimore.”

The ACLU said the country “is weary of the type of policing that Trump espouses,” linking it to the deaths of Gray and New York man Eric Garner and saying it “only makes it harder for police to investigate and solve crime.”


Baltimore City Councilman Brandon Scott, chairman of the council’s public safety committee, said city residents should be “outraged” by the president’s comments.

“It’s an unfitting comment for a president of the United States, but it’s a fitting comment for this president who is unfit to be president,” Scott said.
 
I'm amazed you're still not making sense.

You using self-defense against those cops, let alone with a damn firearm, means your ass is already cooked. You can't make that scenario work for you, or for anyone else, and it's sure as shit not having a positive effect on policy and/or criminal justice reform.


If you have to defend yourself against the cops, you're already fucked. Because we know they can kill with impunity. Yelling at black people to never defend themselves while cops shot us for fun is really trashy of you, to be honest
 

Anticol

Banned
If you have to defend yourself against the cops, you're already fucked. Because we know they can kill with impunity. Yelling at black people to never defend themselves while cops shot us for fun is really trashy of you, to be honest

He probably think just because it is the police and the government behind the police encouraging and incentivazing this treatment for minorities then they should just take it and continue with their lifes, well if they still have one after interacting with the police. It's pretty easy to say something like that when it doesn't happen or affect you and you just read abut it and the only thing you do is go to a forum and say "I did not vote for him", "I regret my vote" or "Not all the cops are bad", call it a day and feel good to yourself.
 
Jokes very much cross the line when two things meet.

1: The joke is about harming another human being.

2: It comes from an official representative of the government.

If the police chief had said this, he'd be handing in his resignation papers in the morning. But the President of the United States said it.
 
Assholes cheering an asshole. Seriously though, why in the fuck would they cheer such a statement?

isnt american police famous for killing people without any cause? seems legal too if the police officer felt scared or threatened. if you ask me thats a perfect system to kill people you dont like.
Reactions from Baltimore City officials, also Baltimore Sun reports that supporters of Trump and police are saying what Trump said was "a joke", this is certaintly not a joke, it's highly disturbing and disgusting: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/breaking/bs-md-trump-police-20170728-story.html

its a joke that the police just shoots people for having smashed up backlights. at this point you got your death sentence when you are stopped by the police.
 

Kaiterra

Banned
The cops cheering this is more disgusting than Trump saying it. He's an amoral force who does or says anything that he thinks an audience will like, and it's the reaction of said marks that demonstrates the real rot at the heart of things.

All one needs to know of cops is that the types of dudes who were cops pre-Serpico are the kinds of dudes that are cops post-Serpico. The field is not fundamentally different, it just has better PR thanks to getting in bed with conservatives. It's not a matter of bad apples, it's a matter of a bushel coated in every drug-resistant pathogen one can think of.

Yeah you nailed it and I really wish more of the attention about this was on the cops applauding. Ugh.
 

Jag

Member
Reactions from Baltimore City officials, also Baltimore Sun reports that supporters of Trump and police are saying what Trump said was "a joke", this is certaintly not a joke, it's highly disturbing and disgusting: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/breaking/bs-md-trump-police-20170728-story.html

“It’s an unfitting comment for a president of the United States, but it’s a fitting comment for this president who is unfit to be president,” Scott said.

I like this.
 

Stop It

Perfectly able to grasp the inherent value of the fishing game.
Trump encourages police to act like thugs, doesn't get the irony of his statements.

The police are meant to uphold the law and serve their citizens, not to act as some sort of retribution service at the scene of the crime. The police already have a tarnished reputation over in the US (And increasingly in the UK) and the need for police/community relations to be improved is pretty clear.

Instead we have head idiot of state thinking he's clever playing to the crowd.

You're not clever Mr Trump, you're a goddamn fucking imbecile.
 
UPDATE! Trump was kidding, folks!

President Donald Trump was just joking when he suggested police officers should let suspects’ heads bang against the doors of their police cars ― or so White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said she believed on Monday.

This comment, Sanders claimed, was meant in jest. 

“I believe he was making a joke at the time,” she said.
 
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