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Trump fires John Bolton

Zangiefy360

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Trump is the embodiment of chaos. Just another example of many. While Bolton is fucking scum and him being gone is good, I can't compliment Trump until I see his replacement. It could be worse because let's face it...Trump can always do much worse.
Gee, I wonder where you got that talking point. Do you have an original thoughts of your own?

Why do you think President Trump can do worse?
 
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Trey

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I love how our President doesn't hesitate to remove those that won't/can't enact his agenda.

Feels good to FINALLY have a President that values peace over war. Obama, Bush Jr, Clinton AM CRY.
Bolton wrote an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal that America should strike North Korea first, and Trump named him NSA two weeks later.
 

Trey

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How did Trump handle N Korea ultimately so far?
It's where it's always been between the two countries: stalemate. Trump hired Bolton around the time he was still talking tough on North Korea - before he started to moderate a bit.

Bolton specifically used Trump's rhetoric at the time when the President was more concerned with slapfighting Jong-Un through Twitter. The last paragraph of Bolton's op-ed: "This is how we should think today about the threat of nuclear warheads delivered by ballistic missiles. In 1837 Britain unleashed pre-emptive “fire and fury” against a wooden steamboat. It is perfectly legitimate for the United States to respond to the current “necessity” posed by North Korea’s nuclear weapons by striking first."

And here's one of Trump's spicier tweets with respect to NK, made in August 2017: "North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen. He has been very threatening — beyond a normal statement — and as I said, they will be met with fire, fury and, frankly, power the likes of which the world has never seen before." Bolton was hired, again, two weeks after that article, and was actually one of Trump's first choice for Secretary of State when he was president-elect. I can't see how Trump didn't want his firebrand ideas at the time of hiring Bolton. He can certainly change his mind - and thankfully he went somewhat of a different direction - but the choices come with consequences and speak to the President's mindset (as chaotic as that can be).
 
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Woo-Fu

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How did Trump handle N Korea ultimately so far?
Trump didn't handle, he got handled on that one. Kim Jong-Un grabbed him by the pussy and Trump said, "OK, OK, you can do anything except test nuclear bombs and ICBMs." Realistically speaking that might actually be the best case possible given the current political climate in the US.

As far as the OP goes, getting rid of Bolton can't be a bad thing. I'd rather he put an incompetent family member in that position than somebody like Bolton.
 
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JORMBO

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Why do you say that? How much do you know about President Trump's motivations for hiring him in the first place?
Trump doesn't seem interested in starting a war. Bolton seems like he would be all for it. They didn't seem like a good fit from the beginning.
 

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Good, that neocon piece of shit is a war criminal. He shouldn't have appointed him in the first place though,
 

btgorman

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All these posters assuming Trump is a dictator.

“WHY DID HE HIRE BOLTON IN THE FIRST PLACE! Orange man bad!”

When Trump was elected he was an outsider. Many Republicans and neocons hated him. He had to assuage the concerns of the party to win the election, one of which was accomplished by publishing his list of conservative judges via The Federalist Society.

To govern from the right and consolidate power he initially appealed to Republican status quo. As time has gone on, however, the party is becoming the party of Trump and less so for the globalist neocon elites.

Bye Bolton! Times are a ‘changing.
 
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infinitys_7th

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They don't, but they're deflecting by saying it's governing by chaos in order to fuel negative coverage:




Keep him? Bad. Get rid of him? Bad. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
How many people has Trump fired versus a population of 300,000,000?

Basically no positions in the federal government outside of those capable of declaring war can incite "chaos" on a whim in the US. The idea that frequently firing these spokeshead for bloated bureaucracies actually incites chaos is laughable.
 

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How many people has Trump fired versus a population of 300,000,000?

Basically no positions in the federal government outside of those capable of declaring war can incite "chaos" on a whim in the US. The idea that frequently firing these spokeshead for bloated bureaucracies actually incites chaos is laughable.
Chaos on their war lobbyist pocket lining and stock investment wallets.
 
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Mahadev

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All these posters assuming Trump is a dictator.

“WHY DID HE HIRE BOLTON IN THE FIRST PLACE! Orange man bad!”

When Trump was elected he was an outsider. Many Republicans and neocons hated him. He had to assuage the concerns of the party to win the election, one of which was accomplished by publishing his list of conservative judges via The Federalist Society.

To govern from the right and consolidate power he initially appealed to Republican status quo. As time has gone on, however, the party is becoming the party of Trump and less so for the globalist neocon elites.

Bye Bolton! Times are a ‘changing.

He's a fucking war criminal, being diplomatic isn't an excuse for hiring that fucking pice of shit. I will admit though that Trump wisely rarely listened to that fucking scumbag.

Btw can't stop laughing at this tweet:

 

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He's a fucking war criminal, being diplomatic isn't an excuse for hiring that fucking pice of shit. I will admit though that Trump wisely rarely listened to that fucking scumbag.

Btw can't stop laughing at this tweet:

Trump wasn't being diplomatic. Trump was being strategic. No wonder why you leftists keep losing. Purity tests and incompetence.
 

Mahadev

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Trump wasn't being diplomatic. Trump was being strategic. No wonder why you leftists keep losing. Purity tests and incompetence.

I mean yeah, I'll admit it, I wouldn't hire a war criminal for "strategic" reasons. In fact I'd go as far as say I wouldn't hire a war criminal for any reason.
 
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I mean yeah, I'll admit it, I wouldn't hire a war criminal for "strategic" reasons. In fact I'd go as far as say I wouldn't hire a war criminal for any reason.

 
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If you're implying that I'd ever support the butcher of Libya you're horribly mistaken. There is a side you know that hates war-mongers and war criminals regardless of their political affiliation. Be on that side.
 
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If you're implying that I'd ever support the butcher of Libya you're horribly mistaken. There is a side you know that hates war-mongers and war criminals regardless of their political affiliation. Be on that side.
Sounds like you're talking about Bernie and Trump. Too bad Bernie is an identitarian socialist. Trump it is.
 
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What a sorry state for a White House to be in. The Trump administration is a clusterfuck creating clusterfucks as it walks.
 

Mahadev

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Sounds like you're talking about Bernie and Trump. Too bad Bernie is an identitarian socialist. Trump it is.

Like I said I respect Trump on that matter because he resisted the status quo despite the fact that he hired the piece of shit. Bernie isn't an identitarian btw, he humors them to avoid conflict but it's obvious that he focuses on real issues. Can't say the same for Trump that obsesses over immigrants, race and other shit all the fucking time. Identitarianism goes both ways.
 
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Seems like Trump discussed easing Iran sanctions which led to Bolton's departure.
Only reason I can imagine he'd discuss it is if he's acquiescing to allies adjacent the Middle East who are trying to salvage the Iran deal, because otherwise this doesn't make sense. You can't unilaterally pull out of a major international treaty because you think "maximum pressure" is a more effective policy, and then renege on that.
 
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danielberg

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Who was the guy who hired Bolton in the first place?

"Only the best people".
Yes trump fires shit people and you complain now compare that to obama who didnt fire shit people and let hillary be the worst secretery of state in US history including being so stupid as to get rid of Qaddafi so europe can be flooded in a matter of one generation.
Call me crazy but i rather have a president with balls that fires shit people instead of just looking on as they fuck up.
I mean fuck me if obama had a little bit of "trump" half the pretend refugee crisis from now africa would have not even be a thing.
 
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Yes trump fires shit people and you complain now ...
My point being somebody constantly hiring shit people and then firing those shit people shouldn't exactly be applauded for his actions.

Bolton was trash from the getgo and should've never been given a chance to be anywhere near WH again.
 

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My point being somebody constantly hiring shit people and then firing those shit people shouldn't exactly be applauded for his actions.

Bolton was trash from the getgo and should've never been given a chance to be anywhere near WH again.
Those are exactly the points i made, obama did the literal same he hired shit and the actual only difference was he didnt fire them afterwards best example being hillary.
So you can see why i rather take trumps approach of actually firing bad people instead of obamas approach of keeping them around.
 
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Seems to me he hired him for a tough face with Iran and NK, and now Trump is thinking about a different direction and fired him. Like the article highlights Bolton was being more tough on Iran than Trump wants to be at this time.

Kinda like you want to collect from someone you hire a big 300LB muscle man to scare em a bit. Then maybe you change your mind and want to go with softer tactics so need for the big muscle man anymore.
 
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